A Study of Torah from Gen. - Rev.
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Not sure, But I imagine and this is theory only, That having the majority of the world covered in water was not how it was back then. Being that we are to multiply and fill the earth I imagine that our seas are a product of the water that was above the earth. Before it was mostly land separated by rivers and lakes etc.
My point being that the seas are the product of those waters being down here. I can't prove either way, Just throwing it in there.
But as God is restoring earth one day this might give us a clue on top of the fact that no seas are mentioned but only rivers in the creation account.
Rev_21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Ok you got my interest up. Only under your that premise, how would you understand,
Gen 1:10 And God called the dry land Earth, and the gathering together of the waters He called Seas. And God saw that it was good.
Granted lakes were called seas back then, as we know from the Sea of Galilee. So you may have valid point, Yet in my mind the Seas as used in the above, does seem to fit with the idea of Pangaea. Also one can place all the land masses together today, and they fit rather nicely. I do hope you will answer this, as I never looked at from your point of view before, and would like to understand. Never know, you may well teach me something.
I suppose we can look at it that way after the fall of Adam and Eve but God was the One initiating Adams breath when he was created from dust. Surely we can't say that was foul? God blow the air into his nostrils to take the first breath.
Good point Ill have a look at it when I get some time. Just one thing, pangaea is a myth. Land is solid underneath it does not float around. Second to make things fit that have drastically changed the size of different continents.
Just a though may or may not work. We know the work can mean rivers or seas like our seas.
We know revelation says there will be no more sea in the new earth. Yet we also know that there will be the river of life. So we know that seas in Revelation does indicate seas not rivers.
We know its some sort of restorations which would suggest in my mind at least that this sea may be just a large river.
However I can't say for sure so unless there is more evidence for or against I don't know. Im just guessing, educated guess but none the less a guess.
We know revelation says there will be no more sea in the new earth. Yet we also know that there will be the river of life. So we know that seas in Revelation does indicate seas not rivers.
We know its some sort of restorations which would suggest in my mind at least that this sea may be just a large river.
However I can't say for sure so unless there is more evidence for or against I don't know. Im just guessing, educated guess but none the less a guess.
Who is to say that the 'waters' referenced in Genesis 1;2 refers to the water molecule H[SUP]2[/SUP]0 since most of the gaseous elements exposed to the lower temperatures of the expanse of space would have liquified before solidifying in lowering temperatures from the earth's core where they originated from to slightly above 0[SUP]o [/SUP]Kelvin that would have been found in the expanse space called heaven.
And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. Genesis 1:2
Hence it is written in Job 38:30, "The waters are hid as with a stone, and the face of the deep is frozen."
Yet after the light began illuminating from the celestial body we call the Sun, the radiant heat absorbed within the midst of the frozen waters would have begin raising the temperature thus allowing the solid atoms of gas to begin transitioning back into a gas state as the temperatures begin rising in the midst of the waters.
And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. Genesis 1:6
Yet as far as only rivers being referenced in the creation account, the rivers were only formed as after the Mountains rose up from under the frozen waters as the earth begin to rotate upon it axis. And the waters under the firmament only began to melt when expanse of gas called the atmosphere raised upwards from the earth until the tops of the mountains were covered. Even now some tops of mountains remain covered year around under frozen water.
9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
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If one wishes to over lok in that same passage that it tells us,
Rev 21:1 Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea.
As we can see with the whole passage here, the first heave and earth have passed away. Would this not indicate that the earth we know, and live in wouldn't be restored, rather replaced?
Interesting point. would the meek inheriting the earth play into this? The chapter before suggest the earth is brought back to a similar state of being without form and void. Not totally Gone but wrecked.
you got me thinking. not sure.
Maybe and interesting point that I don't know will help or not concerning the light on the first day.
There is a pattern:
1, heavens earth light. 4, sun moon stars
2, divide waters get our atmosphere/firmament. 5, fish and birds of the air.
3, land and flora food 6, animals and humans
notice that what he makes first is the space and things that will be used by the second half of the six creation days.
The sun moon and stars fill the space that God made on the first day. but how is the light connected to these things?
There is a pattern:
1, heavens earth light. 4, sun moon stars
2, divide waters get our atmosphere/firmament. 5, fish and birds of the air.
3, land and flora food 6, animals and humans
notice that what he makes first is the space and things that will be used by the second half of the six creation days.
The sun moon and stars fill the space that God made on the first day. but how is the light connected to these things?
Another point that may or may not be important is this, on day one the heavens are the space where the sun moon and stars reside later on day 4. The earth is described as just water The moon is connected to tides. But still I have not worked out the significance of the light.
Don't forget the passage about how the new city would have no night nor no need of candle, neither any need for the light of the sun.
And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; Rev 22:5
Wouldn't the first heaven and earth be the one created in Genesis 1:1?
Sorry I hope I am not talking to much lol. But this fascinates me.
The light itself on the first day does something:
Gen 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
Gen 1:4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
Gen 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
This light is divided from the darkness and gives us the day night cycle. Yet notice when God fills on day 4:
Gen 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
Gen 1:15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
Gen 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
Gen 1:17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
Gen 1:18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
these lights serve the same purpose as far and dividing light fro darkness. they are given to rule the day and the night. So remember Day and night exist before the sun moon and stars at it comes in day 1. Yet these lights are designed to give light on the earth and also have a purpose that the first light only does partially.
the first light give us the basic break between day and night. But these lights give more: and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
So it would seem the sun moon and stars bring extra dimension from the light of the first day. These lights also rule over the light of day from day 1 and the moon and rules over the night when it is darkest.
Could the light and darkness of the first day literally just be a partition of time and the 4th day filles that partition with literal lights that are to govern those partitions and serve for times seasons etc.?
The reason I ask is this, The first three days everything we understand, for example: water, heavens, firmament, land, all these things are space and God fills these things in the last three days.
Could the light then simply be time boundary that does not get anything to govern it till day 4.?
Just putting the question out there, I don't know I have never thought of this before now and could be off by miles.
The light itself on the first day does something:
Gen 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
Gen 1:4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
Gen 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
This light is divided from the darkness and gives us the day night cycle. Yet notice when God fills on day 4:
Gen 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
Gen 1:15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
Gen 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
Gen 1:17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
Gen 1:18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
these lights serve the same purpose as far and dividing light fro darkness. they are given to rule the day and the night. So remember Day and night exist before the sun moon and stars at it comes in day 1. Yet these lights are designed to give light on the earth and also have a purpose that the first light only does partially.
the first light give us the basic break between day and night. But these lights give more: and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
So it would seem the sun moon and stars bring extra dimension from the light of the first day. These lights also rule over the light of day from day 1 and the moon and rules over the night when it is darkest.
Could the light and darkness of the first day literally just be a partition of time and the 4th day filles that partition with literal lights that are to govern those partitions and serve for times seasons etc.?
The reason I ask is this, The first three days everything we understand, for example: water, heavens, firmament, land, all these things are space and God fills these things in the last three days.
Could the light then simply be time boundary that does not get anything to govern it till day 4.?
Just putting the question out there, I don't know I have never thought of this before now and could be off by miles.
I would think the first would be that one from gen, yes.
I also thank you for pointing out Rev. 22:5. Didn't think of that. Well in truth I was thinking more of the class I was about teach. I really need to find a way to clear my mind of one, efore going into another. That goes for the ones I take as well as teach. Got any ideas?
The Hebrew words used for light in Genesis 1:4 and Genesis 1:14 are two different words. In Genesis 1:4 the word ore is used. This is a different light than sun light. The same word is used to describe the light God gave the Israelites when it was dark in Egypt (part of the 10 miracles). So the light used in G1:4 was a supernatural light. It is almost like the presence of God created light.
It might also be interesting to note, that the purpose of the light on the first day is to set out a period of time, thus it says:
And the evening and the morning were the first day.
this of course being established on the first day becomes the normal time period which repeats every day afterwards. The sun moon then act as governors of this set time period of God.
In essense what I am suggesting and exploring is if the light of the first day is no physical but rather the establishment of the day time period. The visible aspect of this is established on the 4th day. and thus the similar language.
And the evening and the morning were the first day.
this of course being established on the first day becomes the normal time period which repeats every day afterwards. The sun moon then act as governors of this set time period of God.
In essense what I am suggesting and exploring is if the light of the first day is no physical but rather the establishment of the day time period. The visible aspect of this is established on the 4th day. and thus the similar language.
Onething to remember is the Hebrew word tov (being used to say it was good) alsomeans functioning according to purpose. So when God said it is good, He alsosaid everything is functioning according to purpose.
I do think the Meek will role on this earth during the 1000 years. As for this earth being done away with, well I do think it means what it is telling us. I also follow the idea that it will be turned in literal Hell for a time. Yet that is a topic of it's own. We will get to it in time.
Keeping in mind that the purpose or rather the outcome of this light in verse 4 is a time period and a division within that time period. Because it ends with a day an night and the first day. This means whatever it was it determined the time a day would take before the sun moon were added.