I don't think so, what I know for the Jews, Jesus who claimed to be a son of God was more blasphemous.
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Burninglight
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Mohammed himself was confused about who was giving him revelations.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIMUhpZjcm4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIMUhpZjcm4
Do I say something wrong as written in the Bible?
John 10:30-33,
To the Jews this was the epitome of blasphemy, for they knew that in doing so Jesus was clearly claiming to be God. On yet another occasion, Jesus explicitly told the Jews: " 'I and the Father are one.' Again the Jews picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus said to them, 'I have shown you many great miracles from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?' 'We are not stoning you for any of these,' replied the Jews, 'but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God'
Yeah, probably.
We're not stupid.
The problem is not that you said that the Jews accused Jesus of blasphemy. The problem is that you tried to paint the picture that they were right, and even tried to subtly attribute Jesus' works to Satan yourself. (You did this when you wrote, and I quote: "This means all miracles, sorcery or supernatural performed by Jesus can not deceive the eyes of the Pharisees and Jews." Post #96. Emphasis added.)
There's a difference.
That's your assumption. I believe all miracles, sorcery or supernatural performed by Jesus can not deceive the eyes of the Pharisees and Jews because they do not believe that Jesus is the Son of God sent by God the Father. Jesus failed to convince them.
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kaylagrl
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Jesus had Jewish followers,and yes some rejected Him. The Bible is clear that there will be a time when the Jews will realize the mistake they have made and will weep because of it. They will recognize their Messiah and accept Him and will be saved. It is talked about in the NT, the remnant who will be saved.
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kaylagrl
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Wow,we need to send you to another forum where a guy is denying Jesus claimed to be God. No,you're totally right,Jesus did claim to be God and He is.
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kaylagrl
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Once again Jesus said "a house divided against itself cannot stand" Why would satan cast out satan,it makes no sense and it is what Jesus told them. The fact that Jesus was rejected was talked about in the Bible,He knew He would be rejected,the OT said He would be rejected. But when the antichrist fools the Jews then turns on them,they will realize their mistake and turn to Him. So you're not saying anything that isn't already written in the Bible. You haven't got a new revelation. All your issue is is that you only want to believe one part of Scripture,the part that suits you and then deny the rest.
It's not an assumption; those were the words you used.
Jesus did not perform sorcery, nor was he here to deceive. To say that he could not deceive the Pharisees or Jews implies both that he tried to make them believe something that wasn't true (i.e. to deceive), and that what they did believe (i.e. that Jesus was not the Son of God nor the awaited Messiah) was right.
You know what you said.
The Babylonian Talmud , The Tractate Sanhedrin (43a) contains this passage:
Jesus was hanged on Passover Eve. Forty days previously the herald had cried, “He is being led out for stoning, because he has practiced sorcery and led Israel astray and enticed them into apostasy.
This verse clearly states that Jews believe that Jesus practiced sorcery.
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Burninglight
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The point is Jesus didn't do anything through sorcery or to deceive the Jews. You paint a portrait of Jesus as demons would. You are implying you see Jesus as the Jews who rejected Him.
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kaylagrl
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So,I dont mean to be rude here,but please read the answers being posted to you. We went over that. The Bible said in the OT that Christ would be rejected. The Bible says "He came to His own and they received Him not." Jesus knew He would be rejected. And when He was rejected by the Jews that may a way for we gentiles to be grafted in. BUT the NT says the Jews will yet recognize their Messiah and they will accept Him in the end times. All this is already in the Bible. We know the Jews rejected Him,not all did,we know they are still looking for the Messiah. We know this,its in the Bible. And we knew Gods plan is for a remnant of Jews to be saved before it is said and done. You're not making any point. The NT says the Jews have been blinded to the truth until the full number of gentiles are saved.
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kaylagrl
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Lets try this one again too,Jesus answered them and said "A house divided against itself cannot stand" How can satan cast out satan? Why would He? You're beating a dead horse here. Your points have already been answered.
Because Babylon has always been an example of truth and righteousness, right?
It's laughable that you quoted the Babylonian Talmud in a serious attempt to make correct and truthful claims about Jesus.
Just because you can quote what they believe doesn't mean it's right. It's one thing to say what Jews who deny Christ believe; it's another to imply that they're correct.
And last I checked, the Talmud is not the Word of God. It contains blasphemy after blasphemy itself against Jesus. It lies about who Jesus is.
1 John 2:22 - "Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denieth the Father and the Son."
The fact that you quoted from the Talmud as if it's any kind of authority on God's Truth, when it clearly denies Jesus as the Christ, making it a liar, means that you present lies as truth. You even tried to use the Bible earlier to bolster your false beliefs, despite the fact that the Bible points to Jesus as the Messiah and the Son of God through and through.
You keep trying to play innocent but you're not fooling anybody here...
I do wonder what punishment would Mohammed face if Mohammed was found out for the severe crime of mass deception
Political "correctness" has turned that idea on its head, for now it is against the law in some places to openly speak the truth about Mohammed. Still the same, he will be required to face the One True God, and give an accounting for the false system he created, that misled and enslaved millions of people in deception.
And the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who in its presence had done the signs by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped its image. These two were thrown alive into the lake of fire that burns with sulfur.
Revelation 19:20
and the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
Revelation 20:10
I do wonder if these verses are about Mohammed - Islam declares the Allah is God and Mohammed is his prophet.
Revelation 19:20
and the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
Revelation 20:10
I do wonder if these verses are about Mohammed - Islam declares the Allah is God and Mohammed is his prophet.
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