Earth is Flat and Stationary

[trofimus]

You have little faith in God or the Holy Spirit to provide The Word. That is the basis of your globe arguments for scripture.

Tell me all day you do not believe the verses are literal and your reasoning, I will still believe they are literal, because I'm not trying to make them fit the globe or anything else, I make my cosmological beliefs fit the scripture.

If you take everything in Bible literally, its not a sign of "big faith", but of a "blind faith".

We must use our brains when reading any book.

Literature has many genres and many tools how to express things, literal technical description is one of them, but it is very rare in the Bible.

Why? Because the Bible was not written in scientific age. Its tools of how to express things are different, conformed to the people of those times.

If you blindly insist that they had to have the same ideas in mind like you in the 21st century, you are quite wrong.

 

[Zen]

You can walk around in a circle on the floor, you don't need a sphere.
You can head relative east or west around a circle when the Center is the pole.
There are no corners on a sphere.
The earth is immovable.
Spheres don't have a face.
You can't see the western hemisphere of a sphere while standing on a mountain on the eastern hemisphere.
You couldn't see a great tree visible from the whole earth if it was standing on the western hemisphere while you were on the eastern hemisphere, unless its branches were hundreds of thousands of miles long and stretched out in to space.
Stars were created after time, light and earth.
Earth came before the sun.

You trust God's Word, huh? Except when you don't want atheists to think you're stupid.

 

[trofimus]

You can walk around in a circle on the floor, you don't need a sphere.
You can head relative east or west around a circle when the Center is the pole.
There are no corners on a sphere.
The earth is immovable.
Spheres don't have a face.
You can't see the western hemisphere of a sphere while standing on a mountain on the eastern hemisphere.
You couldn't see a great tree visible from the whole earth if it was standing on the western hemisphere while you were on the eastern hemisphere, unless its branches were hundreds of thousands of miles long and stretched out in to space.
Stars were created after time, light and earth.
Earth came before the sun.

You trust God's Word, huh? Except when you don't want atheists to think you're stupid.

Why are you still mentioning atheists? There are none.

Or is it more comfortable for your ideology, to name them again and again, because it sounds better to you than to realize you are against other Christians?

Also, you still did not answer my questions.

 

[Zen]

Why are you still mentioning atheists? There are none.

Or is it more comfortable for your ideology, to name them again and again, because it sounds better to you than to realize you are against other Christians?

If you were talking to an atheist and said that light existed before stars and the sun, they'd think you were stupid. I believe this is the reason you deny the scripture so that you fit in and have a more comfortable life.

You're a Christian so you claim, but you don't believe God's scripture. You don't believe Genesis, or Revelation, or Matthew. In that sense, you're just like a modern so-called Jew. They don't believe the N.T. or even Genesis. How are you different?

 

[trofimus]

If you were talking to an atheist and said that light existed before stars and the sun, they'd think you were stupid. I believe this is the reason you deny the scripture so that you fit in and have a more comfortable life.

You're a Christian so you claim, but you don't believe God's scripture. You don't believe Genesis, or Revelation, or Matthew. In that sense, you're just like a modern so-called Jew. They don't believe the N.T. or even Genesis. How are you different?

I do not recall talking with atheists about this. So this is not my motivation.

Also, I believe Genesis, Revelation or Matthew. I just think when reading it.

Also, you still did not answer my questions.

 

[DarkRose]

If you were talking to an atheist and said that light existed before stars and the sun, they'd think you were stupid.

You know why they'd think you were stupid...? Because....science

 

[Zen]

I do not recall talking with atheists about this. So this is not my motivation.

Also, I believe Genesis, Revelation or Matthew.

I just think when reading it.

Also, you still did not answer my questions.

I did answer your questions. I'm talking about atheists because they don't believe in God and have the same nonsensical beliefs that you do. Your minds are in agreement about the satanic worldview deception.

"I just think when reading it."
Genesis 1:1
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
"Well obviously this is wrong, it means the big bang happened"[SUP]2 [/SUP]And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
"This just obviously means they were in a state of super-heated plasma and stars had not formed yet and the water is metaphorical"

[SUP]3 [/SUP]And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
"This is just a metaphor for heavy gravity pulling large masses of self-arranged hydrogen atoms until they ignite under immense pressure"

[SUP]4 [/SUP]And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
"Oh this just meaningless poetry"
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
"This is just after the all the planets had set in their orbits"

 

[pckts]

Why are you still mentioning atheists? There are none.

Or is it more comfortable for your ideology, to name them again and again, because it sounds better to you than to realize you are against other Christians?

Also, you still did not answer my questions.

Why do you trust pictures of astronauts (and want us to accept them too) but do not trust pictures from satellites?

Yes, what kind of statement is this? I trust that pictures of human beings are real, and that cartoon images of satellites, earth, and outer space are fake. The comparison photo of the one astronaut is from a university website. Yes, I believe pictures of human beings are real. You already trust the pictures of astronauts are real, you trust everything they give you.

Also, you did not respond to why also Russians and other nations are working as evil NASA wants them to work.

Russia was faking space before America, and now every nation claiming to venture into the final frontier is also faking it. They can't expose America for faking outer space and curvature without exposing themselves and the lie they all are using.

They do make smaller rogue claims here and there about smaller fakery, but they can't say "Outer space isn't real and America fakes it!", because there is a vested interest in the "globalized" world to keep the lie going.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/weird/587569/NASA-really-land-Moon-Russia-probes-missing-video-lunar-rock-faked-hoax-astronaut

Chinese Lunar Rover Finds No Evidence Of American Moon Landings – World News Daily Report

They would like you to believe that their space programs are superior to the American ones, but not that space itself is fake because that would expose them as well. And they probably can't attack the ISS because 't they all pretend they have their own sections.

And Russia and America are most likely on the same side at this point, not saying the claims in America media are all true or even remotely true, but a collaboration is occurring to deceive the public.

Nuclear Bombs are not real either, and neither Russia nor America could expose the other with this information, because it would ruin their own lie in the process.

Also, can you explain to me, why young earth astronomers, who have no problem going against science and to teach that Universe is 6000 years old or that evolution did not happen are lying to us too, regarding the universe?

They either don't want to go public with these beliefs and face ridicule or persecution from evil, or they are deceived like you.

 

[Zen]

You know why they'd think you were stupid...? Because....science

If you truly believe atheists over God, then you have a serious problem.

How can you believe in prophecy if you don't believe it's possible? You must have some strange religion.

 

[Nautilus]

Every day I think I've read the dumbest thing possible on this site. Every day I'm proven wrong. The fundamentalist christian's fear of science is hilarious to me.

 

[trofimus]

I did answer your questions. I'm talking about atheists because they don't believe in God and have the same nonsensical beliefs that you do. Your minds are in agreement about the satanic worldview deception.

"I just think when reading it."
Genesis 1:1
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
"Well obviously this is wrong, it means the big bang happened"[SUP]2 [/SUP]And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
"This just obviously means they were in a state of super-heated plasma and stars had not formed yet and the water is metaphorical"

[SUP]3 [/SUP]And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
"This is just a metaphor for heavy gravity pulling large masses of self-arranged hydrogen atoms until they ignite under immense pressure"

[SUP]4 [/SUP]And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
"Oh this just meaningless poetry"
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
"This is just after the all the planets had set in their orbits"

There is nothing "nonsensical" on the view that every light needs a source. There is nothing atheistic about it. It is how our universe works for all of us, regardless of our beliefs.

No, you did not answer my questions.

 

[trofimus]

Nuclear Bombs are not real either, and neither Russia nor America could expose the other with this information, because it would ruin their own lie in the process.

Oh mine, its getting better and better...

I suppose that nuclear plants are fake too?

 

[Zen]

There is nothing "nonsensical" on the view that every light needs a source. There is nothing atheistic about it. It is how our universe works for all of us, regardless of our beliefs.

No, you did not answer my questions.

John 9:5
As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.

Revelation 22:5
And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.

You don't believe this. You believe that light is a particle/wave/wavicle that originates from the sun which you believe is a star.

God says that both the earth and light existed before the sun did.

I believe God, you clearly don't.

If you keep pestering me to answer your questions, compile them in a single post and I will respond to them. I've already told you why I mentioned atheists.

 

[DarkRose]

If you truly believe atheists over God, then you have a serious problem.

How can you believe in prophecy if you don't believe it's possible? You must have some strange religion.

no. You're right. Im the one with the problem. Cause people and brains and science and knowledge are all wrong.
I'm guessing you must have seen the flatness of the earth from outer space in order to so boldly make the claims you have. Are you an astronaut?
Also, these kinds of beliefs are what make people look at Christians and think we're all Neanderthals lacking brains, logic, and common sense. And before you say something like "the world hates Jesus" as a means of defending your position...arguing a flat earth does not lift Jesus up.

 

[trofimus]

John 9:5
As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.

Revelation 22:5
And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.

You don't believe this. You believe that light is a particle/wave/wavicle that originates from the sun which you believe is a star.

God says that both the earth and light existed before the sun did.

I believe God, you clearly don't.

If you keep pestering me to answer your questions, compile them in a single post and I will respond to them. I've already told you why I mentioned atheists.

Good example how literal reading can lead to silly conclusions.

John 9:5
As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.

==> which for you mean that Jesus was the sun? Oops. no, it again is not literal.

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So, can you answer to me why young earth astronomers who are so brave and go against that evil science conspiracy about the age of the universe are still lying to us regarding the shape of the planet?

Why also Russians and other nations are working as evil NASA wants them to work.

Satan is authorizing text books? How exactly does this work?

 

[pckts]

Oh mine, its getting better and better...

I suppose that nuclear plants are fake too?

No, nuclear power is real, but splitting an "atom" and having a big hollywood production explosion is not possible in God's creation, and only exists in our imaginations to instill fear into us.

I don't want to make claims about the creation, perhaps it's possible who knows, but man has not figured out, or "achieved" this.

 

[Zen]

no. You're right. Im the one with the problem. Cause people and brains and science and knowledge are all wrong.
I'm guessing you must have seen the flatness of the earth from outer space in order to so boldly make the claims you have. Are you an astronaut?
Also, these kinds of beliefs are what make people look at Christians and think we're all Neanderthals lacking brains, logic, and common sense. And before you say something like "the world hates Jesus" as a means of defending your position...arguing a flat earth does not lift Jesus up.

If God says to me "Why did you make me look stupid to people who don't believe in me?" I could say "Well it's a sin to doubt you, and it pleases you to trust everything you say so if I made you look stupid then it's obviously not my fault because they weren't my words, they were yours".

How can you believe the scripture in the book of Revelation saying that there won't be a sun or stars, because God is the light? Are you expecting to fumble around in the dark bumping in to things? Why don't you trust what God says? Is the light a metaphor? Is heaven dark? Or did God lie and actually prepared lots of stars to light it up? Will you need a torch?

It doesn't matter what godless and idiotic people believe, I know God's Word is true. Even if you think I'm an idiot, interpreting metaphors as literal, you're still wrong.

God doesn't make mistakes, and doesn't lie. There's a reason the words say what they say.

 

[trofimus]

No, nuclear power is real, but splitting an "atom" and having a big hollywood production explosion is not possible in God's creation, and only exists in our imaginations to instill fear into us.

I don't want to make claims about the creation, perhaps it's possible who knows, but man has not figured out, or "achieved" this.

Sure... so survivors of Hirošima and Nagasaki are liars too. And the accident in Černobyl (sorry, I do not want to search for the English names) when radiation was measured all over the world was... what?

 

[pckts]

no. You're right. Im the one with the problem. Cause people and brains and science and knowledge are all wrong.
I'm guessing you must have seen the flatness of the earth from outer space in order to so boldly make the claims you have. Are you an astronaut?
Also, these kinds of beliefs are what make people look at Christians and think we're all Neanderthals lacking brains, logic, and common sense. And before you say something like "the world hates Jesus" as a means of defending your position...arguing a flat earth does not lift Jesus up.

There is no outer space.

You are very worried about yourself and Christians being rejected by the "scientific" community and "brain thinking" intellectuals of the world. You have conformed your own beliefs to gain their acceptance as a result.

Do you believe in evolution too? I'd imagine you would have to so you could have the world's respect. A shame.

 

[pckts]

Sure... so survivors of Hirošima and Nagasaki are liars too. And the accident in Černobyl (sorry, I do not want to search for the English name) when radiation was measured all over the world was... what?

Most likely those cities were firebombed. They could be lying about what they saw, or perhaps like you, they filtered what they saw through what they were told they saw and came to the conclusion "a nuke did it".

The survivors lost their friends, families, communities, and way of life. I wouldn't call anyone who suffers this a liar, but they are not free from deception.

Never claimed nuclear power and radiation are not real, you like to jump me to conclusions and get yourself ready to pounce with ridicule.