Catholic believe pope is infallible

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Absolutely, it is mean vatican, the highest catholic institution promote a horrible thing.
I pray for you brother to consider left catholic. Do not be a partaken oh the horrible thing brother.
Since my youth I had trouble reconciling what I have read in the bible to certain Catholic practices and doctrines. I no longer attend mass in the Catholic church. I believe that every Christian denomination has certain aspects that are not biblical but it does say in the bible not to forsake the assembling of others in Christian fellowship and worship.
 
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A one world government under a human leader would be a horrible thing.
what if willy was the leader and i was his chief advisor
:cool::rolleyes:

just playin... i shouldnt make light of this


and i agree with your post
 

Jackson123

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Now that you know the Mennonites are wrong and the Baptists are wrong, why do you still support them?
You sound like a person bent on a hate trip and you can't get off.
the water that we drink everyday is not bacteria free but we drink it though we know.

but I am not drink drain water from the toilet.

I believe there is a level in the filthiness

Little derby, dirty, very dirty and very very dirty.

as long as not danger I stay, no perfect church any way
 

Jackson123

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You guys make me the treasurer and I might reconsider. :)
thanks brother, let me pray for you if you may

dear Jesus, thank for showing brother tourist what is right and what wrong. I believe you will finish your job to give us, me and him complete understanding about your perfect will.
be our teacher dear Jesus

in your mighty name

amen
 

Jackson123

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to me it doesn't say antichrist is Assyrian

it only said assyrian will come to Israel when Israel in peace

may be during 7 years peace agreement, Syria will come, but did not say antichrist from syria



5 Now gather thyself in troops, O daughter of troops: he hath laid siege against us: they shall smite the judge of Israel with a rod upon the cheek.
2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.
3 Therefore will he give them up, until the time that she which travaileth hath brought forth: then the remnant of his brethren shall return unto the children of Israel.
4 And he shall stand and feed in the strength of the Lord, in the majesty of the name of the Lord his God; and they shall abide: for now shall he be great unto the ends of the earth.
5 And this man shall be the peace, when the Assyrian shall come into our land: and when he shall tread in our palaces, then shall we raise against him seven shepherds, and eight principal men.
 

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Yes.

1. Jesus DID CALL PETER THE ROCK.
This has pretty much been established by Greek scholars. They even considered the POSITION of how they were standing.
Jesus did mean to begin a Church and spread His ideas of Christianity.

2. Jesus gave ONLY Peter the Keys.
The Keys represented authority.
Jesus gave Peter the authority to continue in His work.
Hi FranC

Jesus DID CALL PETER THE ROCK.---Peter's Name in Greek means Rock or Stone.... However, the rock Jesus was speaking of was "πέτρα pétra" a feminine noun.... A rock, rock cliff, etc.....not a person's name.

Having said that, Jesus was speaking that on the foundation(this Rock), that he (Peter)and the other disciples would make in the coming years, Jesus would build his church
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Jackson123

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Since my youth I had trouble reconciling what I have read in the bible to certain Catholic practices and doctrines. I no longer attend mass in the Catholic church. I believe that every Christian denomination has certain aspects that are not biblical but it does say in the bible not to forsake the assembling of others in Christian fellowship and worship.
yep, pray for the lord direct you to the right church brother.

https://youtu.be/KYVsLdBcwHU

this youtube is a testimony about how the Lord guide ex Muslim to find the right church

he is a taxi driver, was in coma, in the hospital his neck was swollen. In his coma he meet Jesus on a wide field.

He wear a flip flops made of dry grass, he said, my son you are heal. And he wake up from his coma, and blood out from his neck and his swollen gone.

than he tell this story to his fellow Muslim, they said it is the devil, as a Muslim, he make special pray to confirm, he ask to Allah, whether one who come to his dream that claim to be Jesus and heal him is a God or demon

Jesus reappear, and he ask, Jesus if you are God, meet me with my dead parent

and Jesus take him through a narrow but bright path. And he meet his parent.

than he said, Lord, I decide to follow you, the next day I saw Jesus on the sky. I ask Him, Lord Jesus, I never go to church, which church you want me to go. No answered, but as a taxi driver, his costumer ask him to take to mawar Sharon church.
He meet a person there, and tell his story. This gentlemen told him that Jesus who meet him and heal him is a God and not a demon, this gentlemen pray for him and one more time he saw Jesus. Than he believe Jesus want him to go that church
 
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why you left catholic?
I met Jesus many many years ago.
At that time the CC offered nothing.
No bible study.
No theology.
I was hungry for information.
I wanted to learn God's word.

So, after a few years, I decided to go to a
Nazarene Church which I attendede for about 10 year.
Then things changed again.
I do go to Mass many times. I find it to be very beautiful and
misunderstood.

Jesus IS NOT sacrificed again at every Mass.
It is a remembrance.

Some of my friends are saved and they're Catholic.
 
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Hi FranC

Jesus DID CALL PETER THE ROCK.---Peter's Name in Greek means Rock or Stone.... However, the rock Jesus was speaking of was "πέτρα pétra" a feminine noun.... A rock, rock cliff, etc.....not a person's name.

Having said that, Jesus was speaking that on the foundation(this Rock), that he (Peter)and the other disciples would make in the coming years, Jesus would build his church
.



Hi Bladerunner,

Some years ago I had done a little study on this and came up with some interesting information.

In John 1:42 Jesus calls Peter Cyphas. This means rock. I tried to Google this just now but cannot find the interesting information I had learned and cannot remember it. I'm so sorry. It had to do with how the name Cyphas means ROCK in Aramaic -- so really Jesus called >Peter The Rock more than once.

I did come across this. Didn't read everything but skimmed thru and it seems interesting...

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A Small Stone to Be Used in a Big Way

Then Jesus, continuing the idea of identifying someone's characteristics with names, calls Simon Petros, a small stone. Much is made by some Protestant commentators of Petros (Peter) being masculine and petra (rock) being feminine, and of Petros referring to a stone and petra referring to a massive rock shelf. But the masculine-feminine argument is proved of no consequence by simply examining 1 Corinthians 10:4, where petra (feminine) refers to Christ as the Rock. And the difference in meanings between Petros and petra is explained when we understand that the words are not intended to be exact equivalents, as explained below.

These verses have been used by Roman Catholics to try to prove Scriptural authority for a pope and by Protestants to try to disprove Scriptural authority for a pope. Both groups have been so intent on trying to prove something that is completely outside of the biblical context that they have basically massacred the original meaning of the text. In doing so, they have so promoted their biased interpretations that most of us cannot see these verses without one of these biases. Since we all seem to approach these verses with preconceived ideas of what they mean, it can help to see what these verses are really saying by first looking at a hypothetical example such as the following: Suppose Jesus, instead of giving Simon the name Peter, had given Simon the nickname Candlelight. Suppose Jesus then said, "You are Candlelight, and with this beacon I will light up the world." In other words, in and of himself, Simon is merely Candlelight, but once Jesus starts to use him, he will become a beacon to the world.

Now let's look again at verse 18. Jesus is saying, You are Peter, a little rock, and upon this massive rock I will build my church.* In other words, of himself, Simon is just a little rock, but in Jesus' hands, he becomes a massive rock that Jesus will use on the Pentecost after His resurrection to start calling the church (notice that verse 20 of Matthew 16 explains that Peter and the other disciples were not to do this any earlier). The idea is not that the church rests on Peter, but that it begins upon an act of Peter—his preaching the Gospel.

Does this mean that Peter was the first pope? No. Jesus is merely alluding to the fact that He would use Peter to preach the first sermon that called in the church on Pentecost and that He would also use Peter to first bring the Gospel to the Gentiles (Acts 10). In this way, Peter would be foundational to the beginnings of the church. But this is a far cry from saying that Peter was the first pope. The Catholic position is absurd, and I won't bother to address it any further in this article.


Fran
 

Jackson123

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I met Jesus many many years ago.
At that time the CC offered nothing.
No bible study.
No theology.
I was hungry for information.
I wanted to learn God's word.

So, after a few years, I decided to go to a
Nazarene Church which I attendede for about 10 year.
Then things changed again.
I do go to Mass many times. I find it to be very beautiful and
misunderstood.

Jesus IS NOT sacrificed again at every Mass.
It is a remembrance.

Some of my friends are saved and they're Catholic.

Hi FranC.
I agree Jesus is not sacrificed in every mass. And if you keep going to mass isn't it mean you partaken with what you not agree.
Catholic also teach purgatory and it is not inline with the Bible what so ever.

how a man believe the Bible and catholic doctrine in the same time?

I am from moslim country, my Muslim neighbors married to big moslem imam.

Every rt time his husband come preach in my town, ten of thousand people come.

one day for a miracle his husband convert and accept the Lord, he left Islam, disown by his family, no job, when he come to his in law to ask if his wife willing to come with him, his wife mad, and attemp stab him with scissors
why?

because he believe it is impossible to accept Jesus and being moslim in the same time.
 
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after believe the Bible alone why don't they left catholic.

can a person believe the Bible and believe to pray to Mary in the same time?
People are not supposed to pray TO Mary.
They're supposed to pray for her intercession.
She was the mother of Jesus and is to be honored.
It's very wrong how we Protestants do not Honor her enough.
Catholics Honor her too much. Both are wrong.

There are many things wrong with many churches.
it's difficult for me to understand why some hate the CC so much.

God is there. Present. Just as He is in every Church. Even the ones that teach
doctrine I do NOT agree with.

We should be spreading love, not hatred.

John 13:35
 
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Hi FranC.
I agree Jesus is not sacrificed in every mass. And if you keep going to mass isn't it mean you partaken with what you not agree.
Catholic also teach purgatory and it is not inline with the Bible what so ever.

how a man believe the Bible and catholic doctrine in the same time?

I am from moslim country, my Muslim neighbors married to big moslem imam.

Every rt time his husband come preach in my town, ten of thousand people come.

one day for a miracle his husband convert and accept the Lord, he left Islam, disown by his family, no job, when he come to his in law to ask if his wife willing to come with him, his wife mad, and attemp stab him with scissors
why?

because he believe it is impossible to accept Jesus and being moslim in the same time.
Jackson,

You CANNOT compare Islam with Catholicism.
The CC worships Jesus as God, not as a prophet.

If Jesus was only a prophet, He was a crazy man that went to the cross for nothing, believing he was God.

Islam does not even worship God, in my opinion.
They worship Muhhamed. Whom, in my opinion, truly was a crazy man.
Hungry for power and with very strange ideas and also very violent, even with his own family.

So I'm very happy for any Muslim who becomes Christian. I do know how very difficult this is for them since their own family disowns them and they become an outcast in society. They truly pay a price for being Christian.

It's difficult for me to understand how Islam could be such a strong religion. Maybe because it controls every part of a person's life and one cannot get away from it --- if so, at the risk of their own Death.

So, You CANNOT BE MUSLIM AND CHRISTIAN AT THE SAME TIME.

BUT

Catholic is CHRISTIAN.
No difference.

It's just that we don't agree with all their doctrine.
I don't agree with some of the Reformers doctrine--- does that let them be non-christian??
 

notuptome

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Jesus said that He would build HIS Church on Peter.
Not Peter's Church....

When you go to service or Mass, it's Jesus that is being preached NOT Peter.

But people DID HAVE TO BUILD the Church.
Peter DID have to go on missionary journeys to promote the new Christian religion.

Why is it so difficult for some to understand that MEN are needed to do God's WORK?
Mt 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Your understanding of the scripture is incorrect. Jesus clearly says He will build His church. Was Peter used of God to further the kingdom? Yes, but make no mistake Jesus is the builder and continues to build the church through the saving of lost souls.

Peter is not the stone or rock upon which the church is built. Such a stone would be a faulty foundation and could not resist the gates of hell.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

notuptome

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I have many Catholic friends that are born again.

Did you think there are none in the CC ??

The CC worships Jesus.
The SAME JESUS you worship. There is only one.
I have catholic friends who got saved and left the catholic church to serve the Lord. Folks who get saved in the catholic church get saved in spite of roman catholic doctrine not because of it.

2Co 6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

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I have catholic friends who got saved and left the catholic church to serve the Lord. Folks who get saved in the catholic church get saved in spite of roman catholic doctrine not because of it.
You just described my experience. Was catholic, but saved in spite of and not because of.
 

notuptome

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You just described my experience. Was catholic, but saved in spite of and not because of.
I rejoice with you. God is good and worthy of praise.

For the cause of Christ
Roger