Catholic believe pope is infallible

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What on earth would make any reasonable person believe that Christ would build His church on a man? Jesus is not building, and it is an ongoing process, an organization. Jesus is building an eternal living organism.

For the cause of Christ
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Jesus said that He would build HIS Church on Peter.
Not Peter's Church....

When you go to service or Mass, it's Jesus that is being preached NOT Peter.

But people DID HAVE TO BUILD the Church.
Peter DID have to go on missionary journeys to promote the new Christian religion.

Why is it so difficult for some to understand that MEN are needed to do God's WORK?
 

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You're writing to AW, but I just want to say that we're all big people here and have checked everything we believe.
I'm pretty sure of this.

I too have read that babies were baptized.
The early Christians believed that babies shoujld be baptized.
Following are some Early Church Theologians and what they believed about infant baptism...


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Hippolytus


"Baptize first the children, and if they can speak for themselves let them do so. Otherwise, let their parents or other relatives speak for them" (The Apostolic Tradition 21:16 [A.D. 215]).



Origen


"Every soul that is born into flesh is soiled by the filth of wickedness and sin. . . . In the Church, baptism is given for the remission of sins, and, according to the usage of the Church, baptism is given even to infants. If there were nothing in infants which required the remission of sins and nothing in them pertinent to forgiveness, the grace of baptism would seem superfluous" (Homilies on Leviticus 8:3 [A.D. 248]).

"The Church received from the apostles the tradition of giving baptism even to infants. The apostles, to whom were committed the secrets of the divine sacraments, knew there are in everyone innate strains of [original] sin, which must be washed away through water and the Spirit" (Commentaries on Romans 5:9 [A.D. 248]).



Cyprian of Carthage


"As to what pertains to the case of infants: You [Fidus] said that they ought not to be baptized within the second or third day after their birth, that the old law of circumcision must be taken into consideration, and that you did not think that one should be baptized and sanctified within the eighth day after his birth. In our council it seemed to us far otherwise. No one agreed to the course which you thought should be taken. Rather, we all judge that the mercy and grace of God ought to be denied to no man born" (Letters 64:2 [A.D. 253]).[/QUOTE

In my church, the person who resieve baptism must answered guestion

do you believe that Jesus is God, and accept Him as your savior?

Otherwise babtism was cancel.

I think it is biblical that baptism is only for people that accept Jesus.

I wonder if a baby able to answered that question
 

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Jackson,

I think we all should learn that every Church has its very own beliefs.
Because we don't agree with these beliefs does not mean that they do them for some ulterior motive.
I trust that every Church is teching what it believes to be true...

EVEN THOUGH I MAY NOT AGREE WITH IT.

I think you have too many bad motives in your mind. The CC believes what it believes --- it's wrong in some ways --- but i's not the anti-Christ.
yes every church have his own believe, but this ccc is design to lie to keep her member in.

it doesn't mean guaranty other not make the same lie

lie is lie no matter who did it
 

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How is do you know?
Perhaps he asked them and determined that they were save by observing how they conduct their lives based on biblical principles. I'm a Catholic and I was born again at the age of 14. Every Catholic that I know, and I know plenty has confessed their sins to Jesus, thanked Him for dying on the cross for their sins, invited the Holy Spirit to live in their hearts and perform the work that the Heavenly Father has prepared for them beforehand. Of course, works do not save but are a manifestation of the faith that Jesus died for their sins and was resurrected from the dead. One day all those that were saved by the shed blood of Jesus dying on the cross will rise from the dead also and live for eternity in the presence of God's love.
 

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Jesus said that He would build HIS Church on Peter.
Not Peter's Church....

When you go to service or Mass, it's Jesus that is being preached NOT Peter.

But people DID HAVE TO BUILD the Church.
Peter DID have to go on missionary journeys to promote the new Christian religion.

Why is it so difficult for some to understand that MEN are needed to do God's WORK?
That's exactly the account related in the bible. "You are Peter and upon this rock I will build my church".
 
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How is do you know?
I have many Catholic friends that are born again.

Did you think there are none in the CC ??

The CC worships Jesus.
The SAME JESUS you worship. There is only one.
 

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Perhaps he asked them and determined that they were save by observing how they conduct their lives based on biblical principles. I'm a Catholic and I was born again at the age of 14. Every Catholic that I know, and I know plenty has confessed their sins to Jesus, thanked Him for dying on the cross for their sins, invited the Holy Spirit to live in their hearts and perform the work that the Heavenly Father has prepared for them beforehand. Of course, works do not save but are a manifestation of the faith that Jesus died for their sins and was resurrected from the dead. One day all those that were saved by the shed blood of Jesus dying on the cross will rise from the dead also and live for eternity in the presence of God's love.
do you support one world government?
 

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I have many Catholic friends that are born again.

Did you think there are none in the CC ??

The CC worships Jesus.
The SAME JESUS you worship. There is only one.
why you left catholic?
 

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I wonder if if born again catholic believe this

 

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No, I do not. The only one world government that I would support is the one where Jesus will reign on earth for 1000 years.
I agree with you brother, unfortunately Pope as a representative of catholic promote one world governmen

12 Times Pope Francis Has Openly Promoted a One World Religion or a New World Order — Charisma News

read this link

I believe one world government that promote by vatican is the government of the antichrist. Government of the devil.

I pray and suggest you reconsider why stay catholic.

May God guide you brother
 

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How is do you know?
I know them personally.
My wife knows some in Italy.
My wife prayed 9 people to salvation when we were in Italy, all catholics.
lots of them would love to hear the word of God, not the junk you spew out.
 

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I agree with you brother, unfortunately Pope as a representative of catholic promote one world governmen

12 Times Pope Francis Has Openly Promoted a One World Religion or a New World Order — Charisma News

read this link

I believe one world government that promote by vatican is the government of the antichrist. Government of the devil.

I pray and suggest you reconsider why stay catholic.

May God guide you brother
A one world government under a human leader would be a horrible thing.
 

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I know them personally.
My wife knows some in Italy.
My wife prayed 9 people to salvation when we were in Italy, all catholics.
lots of them would love to hear the word of God, not the junk you spew out.
after believe the Bible alone why don't they left catholic.

can a person believe the Bible and believe to pray to Mary in the same time?
 

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after believe the Bible alone why don't they left catholic.

can a person believe the Bible and believe to pray to Mary in the same time?
A person that believes in the bible should not be praying to Mary. I believe that those that pray to Mary believe her to be a sympathetic mother figure that will intercede for them. While I believe this to be spiritually wrong I can understand about why people do this.
 

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A one world government under a human leader would be a horrible thing.
Absolutely, it is mean vatican, the highest catholic institution promote a horrible thing.
I pray for you brother to consider left catholic. Do not be a partaken oh the horrible thing brother.
 

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after believe the Bible alone why don't they left catholic.

can a person believe the Bible and believe to pray to Mary in the same time?
Now that you know the Mennonites are wrong and the Baptists are wrong, why do you still support them?
You sound like a person bent on a hate trip and you can't get off.
 

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A person that believes in the bible should not be praying to Mary. I believe that those that pray to Mary believe her to be a sympathetic mother figure that will intercede for them. While I believe this to be spiritually wrong I can understand about why people do this.
you absolutely correct brother.
even to intercede, is wrong. How Mary hear a billion catholic request for intercede?