Not By Works

[blue_ladybug]

Noooooo, what we don't like is the haughty way you come across in your posts. You're assumptive of alot of things, like presuming to know my heart.. You know nothing about us at all. Maybe you don't intend to come across as haughty, slightly judgemental, or arrogant with a hint of "I know Christ better than any of you" attitude, but that IS indeed, exactly how you come across. And that, my friend, is what ticks people off about your posts..


And from now on, please keep your mouth shut about your opinion of what you think you know about me. Thanks..

Lol. So let me tell you what I know. You do not like what I share, how I share,
and what it means.

Do you follow Jesus? Do you obey His words? Do you praise His name and bring glory
to the throne? Then welcome christian brother. If you do not, then I do not know you.

[video=youtube;X-m9sRRN9MA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-m9sRRN9MA&index=7&list=RDnQWFzMvCfLE[/video]

 

[dcontroversal]

I love the simplicity that is found in Jesus.....

He that believes on the SON IS HAVING everlasting life.

A current, eternal possession.......LIFE that is EVERLASTING....WHY......because I have believed on the SON...His name is JESUS and not only did hey pay for ALL of my sins....HIS grace out bounds my sin and he has promised to NEVER leave me nor forsake me.......

Thank God!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

gb9 opened my eyes to something. I do not know the people here because they do not
know the Lord like I do..

You do not know people in here because you refuse to listen to what they say, And try to understand where they are coming from. You think you already know what they say and where they come from. WHich is what continually gets you in trouble and causes you to slander them.

However, You are right, we do not know a lord like you do. We do not even know your lord. We follow a Lord who keeps his promises, and finishes what he started to do. And when he says it is finished, he means it.

 

[blue_ladybug]

The way I see it, people who say that this site has alot of pharisees, vipers and wolves are correct.. We have quite the dangerous breeds running around in here and they all be rabid.. :/

 

[PeterJens]

As an observation, the call for this great expulsion comes from the person who
creates the antagonism.

What is interesting about brainwashing is it works through intimidation and bullying.
Tell people what is ok to think and what will be condemned, and say they accept the right
way. Why Christianity survives is because it is open, always, even God.

God does not say you must believe, but if you believe and follow His commands He will
bless you. Judgement will fall because sin, but the rest is up to us to discover the path.

This is how love works. It waits for the fruit of truth to work its way through, it never
forces it or pushes it. Jesus did not rebuke Peter, He just questioned him. Love is so
deeper and purer than our ways. God does not control, He calls, we are the ones who
exercise control.

 

[blue_ladybug]

Peter, how is it possible that you don't see how insulting and assumptive you are? Is that log really so far embedded in your eyes that you're just totally blind?? You pretty much just called us brainwashed. Some of us could say the same of you. :/

 

[dcontroversal]

The way I see it, people who say that this site has alot of pharisees, vipers and wolves are correct.. We have quite the dangerous breeds running around in here and they all be rabid.. :/

It is not that hard to sift it all out....those who push sinless perfectionism, a self reliant salvation that must be maintained or kept by any and all works, an attitude of I am better than that sinner over there, a denial of a faith/grace based salvation and or the eternal aspect of life based upon belief equates to a Pharisee or Sadducee......

The entire bible point to JESUS and HIS work on behalf of men.....He was clear, John was clear, Paul was clear.....

Believe and acknowledge said belief = saved, justified, sanctified in Christ positionally and eternally sealed with the Spirit of promise......it is the WORK of Christ that saves us and keeps us saved to the UTTERMOST by his power.....

 

[mailmandan]

The way I see it, people who say that this site has alot of pharisees, vipers and wolves are correct.. We have quite the dangerous breeds running around in here and they all be rabid.. :/

A little while back, I had to leave a different Bible discussion forum because it had just about become completely hijacked by the types of people you just described.

 

[blue_ladybug]

I don't know which Lord Peter serves, but the Lord I serve, does not speak in a haughty manner, is not presumptive or assumptive, does not make observations based on people's words, does not tell people they are brainwashed, and is not arrogant. Peter comes across as ALL of these things in his posts, whether he means to or not, so THAT must be the type of Lord HE serves..

 

[PeterJens]

You do not know people in here because you refuse to listen to what they say, And try to understand where they are coming from. You think you already know what they say and where they come from. WHich is what continually gets you in trouble and causes you to slander them.

However, You are right, we do not know a lord like you do. We do not even know your lord. We follow a Lord who keeps his promises, and finishes what he started to do. And when he says it is finished, he means it.

EG - This is why this is an absurd conversation. Ofcourse I listen to people. You do not like
my conclusions or arguements. You do not like being "put in a bad light". Speaks to me of pride.

It sounds like for 10 years you have followed your new revelation. The danger of such package
deals, is they often appeal to followers on one main issue and then expand this unjustifiably to
many others. What your pride or binary view cannot cope with is I could love the Lord, follow
Him, bow my knee to Him and walk in victory.

Now I spent months reading and listening to the theology of your "group" and listing it.
The reason I am still here is because you found nothing wrong, no argument except these
accusations. Worse still if I am you biggest enemy, God help the people in your church.
The darkness must be very deep, and the teaching very blind. I am like the guy at the back
of the church who cleans up after everyone else, and helps put things straight.

But maybe the enemy knows something. It is these people who are Gods real strength because
in their love the Holy Spirit is expressed. So thank you for exalting me to such an important
place, standing up for the words of my Lord and Saviour.


[video=youtube;N41x_wXmNLA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N41x_wXmNLA&index=17&list=RDnQWFzMvCfLE[/video]

 

[gb9]

Lol. So let me tell you what I know. You do not like what I share, how I share,
and what it means.

Do you follow Jesus? Do you obey His words? Do you praise His name and bring glory
to the throne? Then welcome christian brother. If you do not, then I do not know you.

[video=youtube;X-m9sRRN9MA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-m9sRRN9MA&index=7&list=RDnQWFzMvCfLE[/video]

in the Gospel of John, just in chapters 3,4,5, the believing on of Jesus is spoken of 10 times ( I just did a quick read through, their could be more). you insultingly call salvation by belief " easy believeism.

so , because you speak against Biblical truth ( and CONTINUE to say you know people and things about them you do not), then at this point no, I do not accept your words. as far as if you are a brother in the Lord, that is not for me to say.

the Words Of Jesus I believe . all of them. you do not speak all of them, only the ones that fit your agenda.

 

[PeterJens]

I don't know which Lord Peter serves, but the Lord I serve, does not speak in a haughty manner, is not presumptive or assumptive, does not make observations based on people's words, does not tell people they are brainwashed, and is not arrogant. Peter comes across as ALL of these things in his posts, whether he means to or not, so THAT must be the type of Lord HE serves..

Dear sister - I feel for you with your struggles and I wish to encourage you in your love
of the Lord.

The problem with speaking the truth from the heart, is it can be brutal and hard.
Arrogance is easy to mistake and not see authority and reality, spoken from Gods word.

I have an older sister who has lots of difficulties. To them I would just be encouraging,
because there are some issue that are just not appropriate. Can you accept that from
me dear sister. Some come just to create fighting, and then claim any who stand against
them are the cause, when they provoke it all the time.

God bless you today, and hope you have a good time.

 

[dcontroversal]

in the Gospel of John, just in chapters 3,4,5, the believing on of Jesus is spoken of 10 times ( I just did a quick read through, their could be more). you insultingly call salvation by belief " easy believeism.

so , because you speak against Biblical truth ( and CONTINUE to say you know people and things about them you do not), then at this point no, I do not accept your words. as far as if you are a brother in the Lord, that is not for me to say.

the Words Of Jesus I believe . all of them. you do not speak all of them, only the ones that fit your agenda.

Amen....

He that believes on the SON is not condemned.

He that believes on the Son is having everlasting life

And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

so we just excuse their sin, And move on.

This is not a case of two people disagreeing, If that is all it was, it would be like most people, they agree to disagree, and maybe once in a while they will post their thoughts on what they think the gospel is,

This is a case of people bearing false witness against other people, while professing to be speaking for God, And instead people calling them out for their sin, they act as if it is not even there..

The war that started months on Hypergrace, and all those who defend grace has gotten out of hand, The attack, the slander the lies about people and continue insistence of what they are doing, and and the tactics used to attack those they disagree with has got to be brought out. It should be be allowed to continue.

It is sad.

if you want to defend that, Well, that just a shame

I am addressing your first sentence here.
Has your sin been excused or forgiven?
Was mercy and forgiveness withheld from you?
I have called YOU out in the past for your accusative words and your harshness. You did not listen to me. Did I ever withhold forgiveness and mercy toward you even though you still aren't ready to hear that this is not the way?

Must they stop sinning before you forgive them and extend to them the forgiveness and mercy you were shown yourself?
If you were told to not revile back when reviled, and you won't do so, why are you expecting your way to work?
And if you were forgiven while still a sinner and you are forgiven still when you sin, why do you withhold what was not withheld from you?

Why would you demand someone stop sinning before you love and forgive them their accusations when this is not the way you were shown mercy?

We know by the parable what happens to a man whose debt was forgiven and who then goes out and refuses to forgive another mans debt.

 

[gb9]

Dear sister - I feel for you with your struggles and I wish to encourage you in your love
of the Lord.

The problem with speaking the truth from the heart, is it can be brutal and hard.
Arrogance is easy to mistake and not see authority and reality, spoken from Gods word.

I have an older sister who has lots of difficulties. To them I would just be encouraging,
because there are some issue that are just not appropriate. Can you accept that from
me dear sister. Some come just to create fighting, and then claim any who stand against
them are the cause, when they provoke it all the time.

God bless you today, and hope you have a good time.

did you just seriously accuse others of provoking fights. really?? really? when you your self have stated multiple times in the past that you " like to be provocative ". get a mirror peter. a big one, look in it. then you will see who provokes.

 

[blue_ladybug]

Let me ask you this, Stunned. Would YOU put up with someone continuously slandering you, lying about you and what you believe, and call you terrible, awful names? Wouldn't you defend yourself? Why should a slanderous person be forgiven until AFTER they stop slandering??

 

[PeterJens]

in the Gospel of John, just in chapters 3,4,5, the believing on of Jesus is spoken of 10 times ( I just did a quick read through, their could be more). you insultingly call salvation by belief " easy believeism.

so , because you speak against Biblical truth ( and CONTINUE to say you know people and things about them you do not), then at this point no, I do not accept your words. as far as if you are a brother in the Lord, that is not for me to say.

the Words Of Jesus I believe . all of them. you do not speak all of them, only the ones that fit your agenda.

gb9 - Big claims. On the accusation to just believe and not act, is not easy believism, it is
actually how it is defined. Inherent in believing Jesus is listening to Him saying obey.

You want to identify with easy believism as faith without action, is your identification.
I know you want to argue, but I do not want to upset you by showing the argument is
empty, but it is. And being insulted by the truth is rebellion against the Lord, sin.

So you have not established I speak against God, but rather you come with a false accusation
that does not work. I know why you want to do this, but as it is impossible, why not just bow
the knee to the Lord and repent.

The words of Jesus are difficult, but we have no choice because He is our Lord.
And the ones at issue in our discussions have been focused on obedience and walking with Him.

What I find puzzelling is you want to express you emotions in this way, but miss-fire so badly.
Not really factual ideas, rather a declaration of your heart.

Oh and thankyou for not saying I am evil, and not a brother and not following the Lord, that
grace is much appreciated, God bless you, may His love reign in your life today.

 

[blue_ladybug]

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[blue_ladybug]

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[Stunnedbygrace]

Let me ask you this, Stunned. Would YOU put up with someone continuously slandering you, lying about you and what you believe, and call you terrible, awful names? Wouldn't you defend yourself? Why should a slanderous person be forgiven until AFTER they stop slandering??

Did Jesus?