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The Melchezedek order pre-exists the Levitical order

4 Just think how great he was: Even the patriarch Abraham gave him a tenth of the plunder!5 Now the law requires the descendants of Levi who become priests to collect a tenth from the people—that is, from their fellow Israelites—even though they also are descended from Abraham.6 This man, however, did not trace his descent from Levi, yet he collected a tenth from Abraham and blessed him who had the promises.7 And without doubt the lesser is blessed by the greater.
Those after the order of Melchezedek were what we now call Christians.
 

miknik5

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He was lawful to eat the shewbread because it is lawful to do what is good even if it is on the SABBATH

the men were hungry
and david fed the men

the man's hand was shriveled
and jesus, THE LORD of THE SABBATH, healed him
 

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I think I found out where ashkenazi jew came from.

Genesis 10:2-3 "The sons of Japheth; Gomer, and Magog, and Madai, and Javan, and Tubal, and Meshech, and Tiras. And the sons of Gomer; Ashkenaz, and Riphath, and Togarmah."

Which one of these places is in Germany or Russia:

Isaiah 11:11 "And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea."

Thanks for showing your true colors, at least we know we can skip reading your posts. Dad saw enough of that kind of stereotyping hatred for the Jews in WWII, to last his descendants for eternity.


Genesis 12:2-3 (HCSB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] I will make you into a great nation, I will bless you, I will make your name great, and you will be a blessing.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] I will bless those who bless you, I will curse those who treat you with contempt, and all the peoples on earth will be blessed through you.
 

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Ok,what you guys are trying to nail down is COVENANT. oLD<>NEW.

The old came through Abraham

The new came through Jesus.

Both covenants had priests/priesthood.

The new covenant came through the new priesthood,RATIFIED by the death,burial and resurrection of Jesus,the new high priest,finished with the blood offered to the father,and the son exalted above every name,in heaven.

The priesthood changed at the Jordan. When John the legitimate priest of levitical order baptized Jesus. That was the change in priesthood from levitical to davidical/judah.

AND:

Hebrews 7:12-14 (HCSB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] For when there is a change of the priesthood, there must be a change of law as well.
[SUP]13 [/SUP] For the One these things are spoken about belonged to a different tribe. No one from it has served at the altar.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] Now it is evident that our Lord came from Judah, and Moses said nothing about that tribe concerning priests.
 

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Judas isn't the antichrist. The man of sin is also called the son of Perdition. People like Judas are the man of sin.
Judas was also called, the Son of Perdition," (John 17:12)

Titus was the other Son of Perdition.
 
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VCO Genesis 12 still does not talk about the state of Israel. I can see it is a rain on the israeli parade when none of the places mentioned in Isaiah 11:11 are even close to Germany or Russia.
Good to see that my prediction was correct with the Americanized Christianity, you just revealed the last part

Worshiping the State of Israel (1948) and the white europeans living there - Check.

Gawd bless the troops - Check

American eagle behind Cross - Check

Misapplying Genesis 12:3 - Check

It is fine I will not be mad if you do not read my posts VCO, the christianity you hold to is very foreign and new and there is not much for us to discuss. I can never imagine Jesus siding with an earthly nation, all of which are evil.

Galatians 4:24-26 "Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar. For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children. But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all."

Oh oh, is it? IS IT?!! *gasp* Paul using an allegory?? In the Bible..
 
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He means Titus the guy who led Rome to invade Jerusalem.
Not the Titus who Paul wrote to.
I know, I was making the point that Titus doens't fit the bill for the only definition of a son of perdition that we have in the bible.... Titus wasn't the man of sin.
 
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VCO Genesis 12 still does not talk about the state of Israel. I can see it is a rain on the israeli parade when none of the places mentioned in Isaiah 11:11 are even close to Germany or Russia.
Good to see that my prediction was correct with the Americanized Christianity, you just revealed the last part

Worshiping the State of Israel (1948) and the white europeans living there - Check.

Gawd bless the troops - Check

American eagle behind Cross - Check

Misapplying Genesis 12:3 - Check

It is fine I will not be mad if you do not read my posts VCO, the christianity you hold to is very foreign and new and there is not much for us to discuss. I can never imagine Jesus siding with an earthly nation, all of which are evil.

Galatians 4:24-26 "Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar. For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children. But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all."

Oh oh, is it? IS IT?!! *gasp* Paul using an allegory?? In the Bible..
I'm glad I'm not the only who thinks that lol.... Fly the new world order enforcement arm's flag and mix the cross in with it too!
 

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it's tricky, because the language is a bit exact KJV.

But from Hebrews (circa AD60) we can glean that

1) The Temple was still fully functioning
2) That the old covenant, though obsolete, had not passed away
and, I believe,
3) that continued blood sacrifices kept the old covenant alive


As Paul knew the destruction of the Temple was imminent, he knew the old covenant would soon pass away. And as Galatians tells us, if you obey the Law, it has force

Galatians 3:10For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.”

So I still believe that it was the destruction of the Temple, which ended blood sacrifices, which in turn terminated the Old Covenant.
 

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Was Titus a fake Christian?

You don't need to be a fake Christian to be an AntiChrist. But, we aren't talking about antiChrists, we are talking about Sons of Perdition. Both Titus and Judas fit the definition and so do most of the religious leaders of the day as Christ condemned them to hell right to their faces.

noun 1. a state of final spiritual ruin; loss of the soul; damnation.


2. the future state of the wicked.


3. hell (def 1).


4. utter destruction or ruin.


5. Obsolete. loss.







 

PlainWord

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Actually in the case of Titus, he stood in the temple showing himself to be God and accepting the sacrifices and worship of his men as God. Later he challenge God to fight him and claimed that he killed God. That would sorta qualify him as an antichrist also.
 
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You don't need to be a fake Christian to be an AntiChrist. But, we aren't talking about antiChrists, we are talking about Sons of Perdition. Both Titus and Judas fit the definition and so do most of the religious leaders of the day as Christ condemned them to hell right to their faces.

noun 1. a state of final spiritual ruin; loss of the soul; damnation.


2. the future state of the wicked.


3. hell (def 1).


4. utter destruction or ruin.


5. Obsolete. loss.







What is the abomination that maketh desolate? How did Titus do this?
 
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Actually in the case of Titus, he stood in the temple showing himself to be God and accepting the sacrifices and worship of his men as God. Later he challenge God to fight him and claimed that he killed God. That would sorta qualify him as an antichrist also.
I missed this on another reply so this is duplicate... Are you saying that above is the abomination that maketh desolate?
 
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Daniel 12:11 KJV
And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

The daily sacrifice is taken away and then 43 months later the abomination that makes desolate is set up.

70 ADers did Titus take away the daily sacrifice and then set up the abomination that makes desolate 43 months later? Also what was the blessing that came 45 days later?
 

miknik5

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You've got it all wrong... Melchizedec is what we now call Jesus. We are priests after the order of Judah.
Your "priestly work" is to point all men to HIM who indeed is the ONE AND ONLY ETERNAL HIGH PRIEST FOREVER