The Rapture

[VCO]

I'm all ears, but when some one takes the finished work of Jesus Christ in Daniel 9:27 and perverts into the antichrist signing a 7 year peace treaty... I stop listening.

And therefore you can stop listening to me, because that is EXACTLY WHAT IT MEANS. Oh, I forgot, you stopped listening to me before I answerered your first question, because your presuppositions dictate that you hate Israel, because you think GOD is finished with ISRAEL.

9:27 We now come to the seventieth week. As mentioned previously, there is a time gap between the sixty-ninth and seventieth weeks. This parenthetical period is the Church Age, which extends from Pentecost to the Rapture. . . . However, the principle of a gap is nicely illustrated by our Lord in the synagogue at Nazareth (Luke 4:18, 19). Jesus quoted Isaiah 61:1, 2a but cut it short at "the acceptable year of the Lord" (His First Advent), and left off the judgment of His Second Advent: "and the day of vengeance of our God" (Isa. 61:2b). In between was to occur the whole Church Age.


Then he (the Roman prince) shall confirm a covenant with many (the unbelieving majority of the nation of Israel) for one week (the seven-year Tribulation Period). It may be a friendship treaty, a non-aggression treaty, or a guarantee of military assistance against any nation attacking Israel.


But in the middle of the week he shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. The Roman prince will turn hostile toward Israel, forbidding further sacrifices and offerings to Jehovah.


Shall be one who makes desolate. He will persecute and destroy those who refuse to worship the image.


Even until the consummation, which is determined, is poured out on the desolate. Terrible persecution of the Jews will continue for the last half of the seventieth week, a period known as the Great Tribulation. Then the Roman prince, "the one who makes desolate," will himself be destroyed, as decreed by God, by being cast into the lake of fire (Rev. 19:20).

Believer's Bible Commentary: A Thorough, Yet Easy-to-Read Bible Commentary That Turns Complicated Theology Into Practical Understanding.

9:27a. This verse unveils what will occur in the 70th seven years. This seven-year period will begin after the Rapture of the church (which will consummate God's program in this present Age). The 70th "seven" will continue till the return of Jesus Christ to the earth. Because Jesus said this will be a time of "great distress" (Matt. 24:21), this period is often called the Tribulation.
A significant event that will mark the beginning of this seven-year period is the confirming of a covenant. This covenant will be made with many, that is, with Daniel's people, the nation Israel. "The ruler who will come" (Dan. 9:26) will be this covenant-maker, for that person is the antecedent of the word he in verse 27. As a yet-future ruler he will be the final head of the fourth empire (the little horn of the fourth beast, 7:8).
The covenant he will make will evidently be a peace covenant, in which he will guarantee Israel's safety in the land. This suggests that Israel will be in her land but will be unable to defend herself for she will have lost any support she may have had previously. Therefore she will need and welcome the peacemaking role of this head of the confederation of 10 European (Roman) nations. In offering this covenant, this ruler will pose as a prince of peace, and Israel will accept his authority. But then in the middle of that "seven," after three and one-half years, he will break the covenant. According to 11:45, he will then move from Europe into the land of Israel.
This ruler will end... sacrifice and offering. This expression refers to the entire Levitical system, which suggests that Israel will have restored that system in the first half of the 70th "seven." After this ruler gains worldwide political power, he will assume power in the religious realm as well and will cause the world to worship him (2 Thes. 2:4; Rev. 13:8). To receive such worship, he will terminate all organized religions. Posing as the world's rightful king and god and as Israel's prince of peace, he will then turn against Israel and become her destroyer and defiler.


The Bible Knowledge Commentary: An Exposition of the Scriptures by Dallas Seminary Faculty.

The final "week" (the seventieth), a period of seven years, is projected into the future and does not follow chronologically the other sixty-nine. The time gap between the sixty-ninth and seventieth weeks is the age of grace -- unknown to the prophets (Eph. 3:1-12; 1Pet. 1:10-12). The Seventieth Week is eschatological; it is the final period and is yet unfulfilled.
"The prince" is a Roman; he is the "little horn" of Daniel 7; he is "the beast" of Revelation 13. After the church is removed from the earth, he will make a covenant with Israel. Israel will accept him as her Messiah, but in the midst of the "week" he will break his covenant by placing an image in the temple (Rev. 13). This is the abomination of desolation. What Israel thought to be the Millennium will turn out to be the Great Tribulation (Matt. 24:15-26). Only the coming of Christ can end this frightful period (Matt. 24:27-31).
My friend, you and I are living in the age of grace, and the Seventieth Week of Daniel, the Great Tribulation, as the Lord Jesus called it, is yet to take place.

Thru The Bible with J. Vernon McGee.

9:27 Then. This is surely the end of the age, the Second Advent judgment, because the bringing in of righteousness did not occur seven years after the death of the Messiah, nor did the destruction of Jerusalem fit the seven-year period (occurring thirty-seven years later). This is the future seven-year period which ends with sin’s final judgment and Christ’s reign of righteousness; i.e., the return of Christ and the establishment of His rule. These seven years constitute the seventieth week of Daniel. he shall confirm. He is the last-mentioned prince (v. 26), leader of the Roman sphere (cf. chs. 2; 7), the Antichrist who comes in the latter days. The time is in the future Tribulation period of “one week,” i.e., the final seven years of verse 24. He confirms (lit., causes to prevail) a seven-year covenant, his own pact with Israel, that will actually turn out to be for a shorter time. The leader in this covenant is the “little horn” of 7:7, 8, 20, 21, 24-26, and the evil leader found in NT prophecy (Mark 13:14; 2 Thess. 2:3-10; Rev. 13:1-10). That he is in the future, even after Christ’s First Advent, is shown by: (1) Matthew 24:15; (2) the time references that match (7:25; Rev. 11:2, 3; 12:14; 13:5); and (3) the end extending to the Second Advent, matching the duration elsewhere mentioned in Daniel (2:35, 45; 7:15ff.; 12:1-3) and Revelation 11:2; 12:14; 13:5. middle of the week. This is the halfway point of the seventieth week of years, i.e., seven years leading to Christ’s Second Coming. The Antichrist will break his covenant with Israel (v. 27a), which has resumed its ancient sacrificial system. Three and one-half years of Tribulation remain, agreeing with the time in other Scriptures (7:25; Rev. 11:2, 3; 12:14; 13:5, called “Great Tribulation,” cf. Matt. 24:21) as a period when God’s wrath intensifies. abominations... one who makes desolate. The Antichrist will cause abomination against Jewish religion. This violation will desolate or ruin what Jews regard as sacred, namely their holy temple and the honoring of God’s presence there (cf. 1 Kin. 9:3; 2 Thess. 2:4). Jesus refers directly to this text in His Olivet discourse (Matt. 24:15). See note on 11:31. the consummation. God permits this tribulation during the Antichrist’s persecutions and then ultimately triumphs by judging the sin and sinners in Israel (12:7) and in the world (cf. Jer. 25:31). This includes the Antichrist (11:45; Rev. 19:20), and all who deserve judgment (9:24; Matt. 13:41-43).

The MacArthur Bible Commentary.

 

[KJV1611]

The saints of all ages.

It could be but the bible says the way he left is the way he will come back... the saints of all ages weren't with him when he left, only the old testament saints - 10,000's.

 

[maverich]

short and to the point, I love my wife dearly! if i tell her i am going to burn down the house, and then tell her i want her in it. If she survives then i will know she loves me, and she can be with me forever. Come come where is common sense

 

[heartofdavid]

short and to the point, I love my wife dearly! if i tell her i am going to burn down the house, and then tell her i want her in it. If she survives then i will know she loves me, and she can be with me forever. Come come where is common sense

God is a God of purpose.

The GT is Jacobs trouble. Israel's trouble.

The church is the bride gathered before the GT.

 

[heartofdavid]

It could be but the bible says the way he left is the way he will come back... the saints of all ages weren't with him when he left, only the old testament saints - 10,000's.

Which points to his return for his bride. They go back to heaven in harmony with the declaration at the last supper.

Rev 14 is a similar gathering as is mat 24 one taken,one left.

The 2witnesses are also raptured.

So many components you guys brush aside

 

[maverich]

thanks you

 

[Bogadile]

And therefore you can stop listening to me, because that is EXACTLY WHAT IT MEANS. Oh, I forgot, you stopped listening to me before I answerered your first question, because your presuppositions dictate that you hate Israel, because you think GOD is finished with ISRAEL.

You are assuming that when the Bible reads "Israel" it means the country founded in 1948 in the middle-east filled with white europeans practicing the religion of Judaism.
You guys think these guys in Israel care one bit about the Old Testament or "tanakh" well they do not, majority of them are secular, as is the case with the Jews in the United States. Why is this not obvious.

THEY ARE WHITE ATHEISTS. Not middle-eastern Jews.
If you want to see a guy who is most likely a flesh descendant of Abraham, look at Yemeni Jews, atleast they look middle-eastern like Paul and Moses and Joseph.

 

[KJV1611]

Which points to his return for his bride. They go back to heaven in harmony with the declaration at the last supper.

Rev 14 is a similar gathering as is mat 24 one taken,one left.

The 2witnesses are also raptured.

So many components you guys brush aside

Where does the bible say they go back into heaven?

 

[Muzungu256]

does anyone here believe in dual covenant theology???????????? like israel is still part of the moses covenant and we are in the new covenant???????? i just heard of this on the radio. thoughts?

 

[J7]

Depends exactly what is meant by DC theory.

 

[Muzungu256]

Depends exactly what is meant by DC theory.

that right now if someone gets circumcised and keeps torah they are in the moses covenant u see........ then christians are in the new covenant with no torah.......... this is not my idea i just heard it. then in the end jews will stop with the moses covenant and realize Jesus is the messiah.

 

[Locutus]

does anyone here believe in dual covenant theology???????????? like israel is still part of the moses covenant and we are in the new covenant???????? i just heard of this on the radio. thoughts?

Nope - the old went *poof* in 70 AD

Heb 8:13 (NASB) When He said, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear.

 

[J7]

yep. From AD33 to AD73 both covenants were in force, but after AD73, the OC was a museum piece.

 

[PlainWord]

Yes I see the bible teaching that we will get new bodies.

1 Corinthians 15:42-44 KJV
So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: [43] It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: [44] It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

But do we have to wait for some future resurrection or do we immediately arise in the spiritual realm already with our new body? I think the latter.

 

[KJV1611]

yep. From AD33 to AD73 both covenants were in force, but after AD73, the OC was a museum piece.

The covenant was between God and Israel, did God still require animal sacrifces from Israel after Christ was sacrificed?

 

[KJV1611]

But do we have to wait for some future resurrection or do we immediately arise in the spiritual realm already with our new body? I think the latter.

You may be right, I don't know why we would have to wait either.

 

[Muzungu256]

Nope - the old went *poof* in 70 AD

Heb 8:13 (NASB) When He said, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear.

yes but what do u do with the old testament prophecies???????? did they go *poof* too???

 

[PlainWord]

Nope - the old went *poof* in 70 AD

Heb 8:13 (NASB) When He said, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear.

Exactly. I'd argue the warning that the covenant with Israel was being broken happened while Christ was on the Cross and day turned to night for 3 hours and completed in 66AD when a bright light lit up the temple at night and turned the night into day for 1/2 hour in accordance with Jer 31:35-36.

 

[PlainWord]

You may be right, I don't know why we would have to wait either.

Thank you!! We have a straight shot to heaven now. Rev 20 makes it pretty clear. The dead in Christ are with Him now reigning from heaven and the rest of the dead (unbelievers) won't live again until the "1,000" years are finished.

I finished all of Ignatius, Polycarp and well into Clement and so far nobody is speaking about any great tribulation, or rapture or even a future coming of Christ. This is in stark contrast to the NT when that's what everyone was talking about. Instead they are looking forward to martyrdom and to immediately be with Jesus.

 

[J7]

The covenant was between God and Israel, did God still require animal sacrifces from Israel after Christ was sacrificed?

Yes.

Israel had 40 years, like Nineveh, to repent.

John the Baptist started his ministry in 26BC; 26AD - 66AD was 40 years.

From Christ's Ministry to the cessation of sacrifice, 40 years also.

30AD - 70AD

From Christ's resurrection to the end of the Old Covenant, 40 years also

AD33 - AD73