They believed the same thing most Christians today believe - the 1st resurrection is a one time event... the bible doesn't say it's a one time event.What did Hymenaeus and Philetus believe, and how were they in error?
What did Hymenaeus and Philetus believe, and how were they in error?
Two TYPES, yes. two EVENTS, no. The 1st resurrection (resurrection of life) at Christ's resurrection was the FIRSTFRUITS, the resurrection of life (1st resurrection) when Jesus returns will be the main harvest.There are two resurrections aren't there,
one to life
and one to death
John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
Revelation 20 3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
No problem. Since I know your position I would like to ask if you can prove the sharp distinction between Israel and the Church from the Bible. Does not the Scriptures teach we are fellowcitizens of Israel?
Not to mention, how can you get cut off from a race if Jews are a race of people, since in the Old Testament people were cut off from the people for many things, including failing to observe the Sabbath, among other things.
They believed the same thing most Christians today believe - the 1st resurrection is a one time event... the bible doesn't say it's a one time event.
They were in error because they saw the MASSIVE resurrection that took place with Jesus and ASSUMED the 1st (one time event) was already passed.
Didn't Paul refute them concerning the resurrection as not having occurred as when he wrote 2 Timothy in approx 67 AD? Didn't you tell me that you thought the OT saints resurrected and ascended with Christ? So, aren't you in the same camp as Hymenaeus and Philetus?
Then there are those who don't believe Paul wrote any of the pastorals, such as Norman Perrin and Kummel who maintain that 1 & 2 Timothy and Titus were second century writings.
First off, I believe every word of God in all 66 books. No Paul didn't refute them for saying the 1st resurrection had come, he refutted them for saying it was ALREADY PASSED, in other words for saying the 1st resurrection was over and done. The 1st resurrection (resurrection of life) did occur when Jesus was raised, but it wasn't OVER, the main harvest still has to come in.
2 Timothy 2:18 KJV
Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.
I'm still confused on your position. Are you saying that the 1st resurrection started in 30 AD with Christ and is continual or that the first resurrection has two parts, those OT saints and John the Baptist rose with Christ and all others will rise in the future at the end of the world?
I don't think it's continual as in when we die right now we are immediately resurrected. I'm saying that the 1st resurrection (the resurrection of life) takes place in at least 2 parts. It's a harvest just like harvesting vegetables. The first fruits come in first and then the main harvest comes in later.
I don't think it's continual as in when we die right now we are immediately resurrected. I'm saying that the 1st resurrection (the resurrection of life) takes place in at least 2 parts. It's a harvest just like harvesting vegetables. The first fruits come in first and then the main harvest comes in later.
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well done, now we are getting somewhere
I don't think the people resurrected in Matthew 27 had glorified bodies? Notice these individuals rose before Jesus did. Jesus just gave up the ghost, then these people were resurrected, Jesus rose 3 days later.
This resurrection I would say was similar to the resurrection of Lazarus, and the people in the Old Testament through Elijah who indeed died again.
That is what the whole rapture idea is built upon. How the harvests worked in the Old Testament. You had the first fruits, the main harvest and then the gleaning.
Matthew: 27. 53. And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many. - Bible Offline
The Graves were opened when he died. They were resurrected AFTER Jesus was resurrected.