The Rapture

[Ahwatukee]

1) Where were the angels at the transfiguration?
2) Where was every man rewarded according to his works at the transfiguration?

I don't understand your logic here. What do angels being present and Christ rewards have do with his disciples seeing Christ in in His glorified state? "The Son of Man coming in his kingdom" was the event of his being transfigured into his glorified state. By the way, Jesus did not remain in that glorified state, but changed back to his normal human appearance after the cloud vanished and Moses and Elijah were gone.

Those thing that you mention above have to do with the angels appearing when Christ returns to end the age. As I showed you, Christ's reference to "the kingdom of God" had nothing to do with Christ's return to the earth, but was referring to those standing there who would not see death (Peter, John and James) seeing Christ in his glorified state. Your mind is still stuck on the event referring to Christ's return.

Also, I didn't tell you that information to debate it, but to reveal the truth to you. Christ's transformation into his glorified state is what he was referring to regarding Peter, John and James seeing the Son of Man coming in His glory (glorified state) and not his return to the earth.

The fact that you are asking questions about the events of Christ's return to the earth tell me that you are still interpreting what Christ said as referring to his return to the earth. Did you not read the scripture that I provided that used the same reference to "the kingdom of God" as referring to Jesus casting out demons by the Spirit of God?

Matthew 16:27-28 KJV
For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

[28] Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

The two verses above are referring to two different events. In the first verse, Jesus is speaking in reference to when he returns to the earth to end the age. Then second verse is referring to Peter, John and James, getting a peek at Jesus glorified state when he returns in reference to the first verse. I say again, verse 28 was fulfilled when Jesus Peter, John and James saw Jesus in his glorified state.

Now you know when the SON OF MAN returned

The Son of Man has not returned yet. If he had, the world would have first had to experience all of the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, which are the wrath of God. Jesus tells us that by the time the 6th bowl has been poured out, that he will have still not returned. Here is what Jesus interjects after the 6th bowl has been poured out:

"Look, I come like a thief! Blessed is the one who stays awake and remains clothed, so as not to go naked and be shamefully exposed.”

And if you are going to tell me that the seals, trumpets and bowl have already taken place, then you are deceived as so many others are. For they have no idea of the severity of the wrath that is soon to come upon this earth.

 

[VCO]

It's sort of like a bible that has 666 stamped on the cover.... the DEVIL is telling you it's not the word of God.

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Triquetra
An early Trinitarian design found especially in Great Britain, its three equal arcs represent equality, its continuous line expresses eternity, and the interweaving represents indivisibility.
It is suggested that the design is based on the sign of the fish known to be used by early Christians.

Symbols



Triquetra (/traɪˈkwɛtrə/; Latin tri- "three" and quetrus "cornered") originally meant "triangle" and was used to refer to various three-cornered shapes. It has come to refer exclusively to a particular more complicated shape formed of three vesicae piscis (the leaf-like shape in between two equal diameter circles when both centers are on the circumference of the other circle), sometimes with an added circle in or around the three lobes. Also known as a "trinity knot" when parallel doubled-lines are in the graph, the design is used as a religious symbol adapted from ancient Celtic images by Christianity.

AND YOU WONDER WHY MANY CHRISTIANS CALL KJV ONLY GROUPS A CULT.

If you really look at it, it is THREE FISH SYMBOLS INTERLOCKED.

They did a thorough job of brain washing you, didn't they?

 

[Lifelike]

I just started to study the rapture and the tribulation few days ago. I came across what every Christian is debating about. I alone believe in the mid tribulation rapture. I just want to get your view on this if you are pre-trib, mid-trib or post-trib rapture believer. THANKS AND GOD BLESS

Dr Michael Brown a well respected scholar is teaming up with another top scholar to write a book on this subject which I think will be the best to date after listening to his perspectives on his radio broadcast/ podcast 'the line of Fire'

 

[RickyZ]

Two wedding suppers of the Lamb?

It's more like two invitations to the feast. These are two repeating stories following the same plot. God offers redemption to the Jews. They turn it down. They are judged and punished accordingly. Then God offered redemption to the world. The world turns it down. The world will be judged and punished accordingly.

Now, we paint with a wide brush when we start using names and terms. The Jews were being held to account for turning away their Bridegroom. But among the Jews, there were some individuals who were faithful and righteous with God. Just like now, the world is rejecting it's Bridegroom - but among the world, there are those of us who are faithful and righteous with God. Both groups saw God's judgment fall upon their world, but each group saw/will see themselves saved from God's wrath.

The Marriage Supper of the Lamb occurs in the eternal realm. It's a whole 'nother treatise, but it's my understanding that God in the eternal can access any point in time, at any point in 'time'. And that even tho on this earth we all die at different times, we all arrive in heaven at the same time. Which in heaven is that point when Christ is calling His own to the feast prior to His return.

The Bridegroom came for His chosen bride, and she left Him at the altar. So then the Groom offered to take the world as his Bride, and the world is leaving Him at the altar. But among them all, there are faithful servants whom He will gather from the beginning of time. I fully expect to meet and greet with lots of Old Testament saints at the Wedding Supper, in the eternal realm.

Can't wait to meet and greet with you too





If that makes any sense

 

[KJV1611]

I don't understand your logic here. What do angels being present and Christ rewards have do with his disciples seeing Christ in in His glorified state? "The Son of Man coming in his kingdom" was the event of his being transfigured into his glorified state. By the way, Jesus did not remain in that glorified state, but changed back to his normal human appearance after the cloud vanished and Moses and Elijah were gone.

Those thing that you mention above have to do with the angels appearing when Christ returns to end the age. As I showed you, Christ's reference to "the kingdom of God" had nothing to do with Christ's return to the earth, but was referring to those standing there who would not see death (Peter, John and James) seeing Christ in his glorified state. Your mind is still stuck on the event referring to Christ's return.

Have you even READ the verse that YOU SAID was the transfiguration. Please read the verse below. That IS NOT the transfiguration.

Matthew 16:27-28 KJV
For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

[28] Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

 

[KJV1611]

Triquetra
An early Trinitarian design found especially in Great Britain, its three equal arcs represent equality, its continuous line expresses eternity, and the interweaving represents indivisibility.
It is suggested that the design is based on the sign of the fish known to be used by early Christians.

Symbols



Triquetra (/traɪˈkwɛtrə/; Latin tri- "three" and quetrus "cornered") originally meant "triangle" and was used to refer to various three-cornered shapes. It has come to refer exclusively to a particular more complicated shape formed of three vesicae piscis (the leaf-like shape in between two equal diameter circles when both centers are on the circumference of the other circle), sometimes with an added circle in or around the three lobes. Also known as a "trinity knot" when parallel doubled-lines are in the graph, the design is used as a religious symbol adapted from ancient Celtic images by Christianity.


AND YOU WONDER WHY MANY CHRISTIANS CALL KJV ONLY GROUPS A CULT.

If you really look at it, it is THREE FISH SYMBOLS INTERLOCKED.

They did a thorough job of brain washing you, didn't they?

God doen'st permit graven images of the Godhead.
Acts 17:29 KJV
Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.

Acts 17:29 KJV
Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.

 

[KJV1611]

For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: but whosoever will lose his life for my sake, the same shall save it.

No, this is not talking about Christ's crucifixion. All the disciples bar John scarpered. Did they lose their lives for that? No.

No it's not about the crucifixion, it's talking about the resurrection. That's when the Son of man CAME AGAIN... he came back from hell WITH the old testament saints.

 

[KJV1611]

It's more like two invitations to the feast. These are two repeating stories following the same plot. God offers redemption to the Jews. They turn it down. They are judged and punished accordingly. Then God offered redemption to the world. The world turns it down. The world will be judged and punished accordingly.

Now, we paint with a wide brush when we start using names and terms. The Jews were being held to account for turning away their Bridegroom. But among the Jews, there were some individuals who were faithful and righteous with God. Just like now, the world is rejecting it's Bridegroom - but among the world, there are those of us who are faithful and righteous with God. Both groups saw God's judgment fall upon their world, but each group saw/will see themselves saved from God's wrath.

The Marriage Supper of the Lamb occurs in the eternal realm. It's a whole 'nother treatise, but it's my understanding that God in the eternal can access any point in time, at any point in 'time'. And that even tho on this earth we all die at different times, we all arrive in heaven at the same time. Which in heaven is that point when Christ is calling His own to the feast prior to His return.

The Bridegroom came for His chosen bride, and she left Him at the altar. So then the Groom offered to take the world as his Bride, and the world is leaving Him at the altar. But among them all, there are faithful servants whom He will gather from the beginning of time. I fully expect to meet and greet with lots of Old Testament saints at the Wedding Supper, in the eternal realm.

Can't wait to meet and greet with you too





If that makes any sense

I'm sorry brother but I have to disagree with you on this. I'm at the wedding feast right now and the menu is the body and blood of Christ. This is a tough subject to grasp and I will just agree to disagree.

 

[VCO]

God doen'st permit graven images of the Godhead.
Acts 17:29 KJV
Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.

Acts 17:29 KJV
Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.

That is pure Hypocracy, because your people put out more of those so-called graven images trying to put down other versions of the HOLY BIBLE, than any one I know. Shall I post 5 images of those kind of KJV ONLY drawings to prove my point?

Yeah, you opened a can of worms, now do you want to drop it or not?

 

[Ahwatukee]

Have you even READ the verse that YOU SAID was the transfiguration. Please read the verse below. That IS NOT the transfiguration.

Matthew 16:27-28 KJV
For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

[28] Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

AS I said, the first verse is referring to his second coming. The second verse is a peek for those standing there of how he will return at that time, i.e. in his glorified state. You guys use the same distortion regarding the verse when Jesus says, "this generation" and you interpret it to mean the generation that he was speaking from, instead of the generation where those signs begin to appear.

You guys distort the heck out of scripture. You don't understand it.

As I said, if Jesus had already returned, then a whole lot of events would have had to have taken place, namely all of the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments. Rev.19:11-21 would have had to have taken place. At that time the millennial reign of Christ would have had to have taken place, the great white throne judgment would be over and we would currently be living in the new heaven, new earth and new Jerusalem.

You have no understanding of the chronological, end-time events that must take place prior to Christ returning to the earth to end the age. And you'll find that out later, not from me, but when that seven years is initiated allowing Israel to build her temple, then you'll know. You will also know that following that will be God's wrath via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, which you currently ignore as having to take place before Christ can return to the earth to end the age. On that note, you don't even understand what the end age is!

 

[J7]

lol.

Now I can laugh myself to sleep.

Pure comic gold.

[FONT=&quot]You guys distort the heck out of scripture. You don't understand it. [/FONT]

AS I said, the first verse is referring to his second coming. The second verse is a peek for those standing there of how he will return at that time, i.e. in his glorified state. You guys use the same distortion regarding the verse when Jesus says, "this generation" and you interpret it to mean the generation that he was speaking from, instead of the generation where those signs begin to appear.

You guys distort the heck out of scripture. You don't understand it.

As I said, if Jesus had already returned, then a whole lot of events would have had to have taken place, namely all of the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments. Rev.19:11-21 would have had to have taken place. At that time the millennial reign of Christ would have had to have taken place, the great white throne judgment would be over and we would currently be living in the new heaven, new earth and new Jerusalem.

You have no understanding of the chronological, end-time events that must take place prior to Christ returning to the earth to end the age. And you'll find that out later, not from me, but when that seven years is initiated allowing Israel to build her temple, then you'll know. You will also know that following that will be God's wrath via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, which you currently ignore as having to take place before Christ can return to the earth to end the age. On that note, you don't even understand what the end age is!

 

[KJV1611]

AS I said, the first verse is referring to his second coming. The second verse is a peek for those standing there of how he will return at that time, i.e. in his glorified state. You guys use the same distortion regarding the verse when Jesus says, "this generation" and you interpret it to mean the generation that he was speaking from, instead of the generation where those signs begin to appear.

You guys distort the heck out of scripture. You don't understand it.

As I said, if Jesus had already returned, then a whole lot of events would have had to have taken place, namely all of the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments. Rev.19:11-21 would have had to have taken place. At that time the millennial reign of Christ would have had to have taken place, the great white throne judgment would be over and we would currently be living in the new heaven, new earth and new Jerusalem.

You have no understanding of the chronological, end-time events that must take place prior to Christ returning to the earth to end the age. And you'll find that out later, not from me, but when that seven years is initiated allowing Israel to build her temple, then you'll know. You will also know that following that will be God's wrath via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, which you currently ignore as having to take place before Christ can return to the earth to end the age. On that note, you don't even understand what the end age is!

In what bible version would i find the word peek? Like I said, the bible says it and I believe it JUST LIKE its written.

 

[J7]

It is in the NIV paragraph Headings

Jesus Gives A Few Select Disciples A Peek Of His Glory

 

[J7]

Later on Jesus plays Peek-A-Bo with the children.

Suffer the little ones to play peek-a-bo

 

[Ahwatukee]

In what bible version would i find the word peek? Like I said, the bible says it and I believe it JUST LIKE its written.

You're just being sarcastic now. "Peek" was my word. Peter, John and James saw Jesus in his glorified state, true or false? If true, then they got a glimpse of Jesus in his glorified state, i.e. the Son of Man coming in his glory. They saw the Lord in the same glorified state that he appeared to John described in Revelation 1:12-15.

 

[KJV1611]

You're just being sarcastic now. "Peek" was my word. Peter, John and James saw Jesus in his glorified state, true or false? If true, then they got a glimpse of Jesus in his glorified state, i.e. the Son of Man coming in his glory. They saw the Lord in the same glorified state that he appeared to John described in Revelation 1:12-15.

Let me ask you this. Did Jesus come the first time and then died and left the earth to go to hell?

Did he not return from hell on the 3rd day along with the old testament saints?

 

[KJV1611]

Preconceived ideas.... the blinders of truth!

 

[KJV1611]

Let me ask you this. Did Jesus come the first time and then died and left the earth to go to hell?

Did he not return from hell on the 3rd day along with the old testament saints?

Now we know when this happened.

Daniel: 12. 1. And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

2. And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. - Bible Offline

 

[VCO]

This is not historic premillennialism.

It is not my fault that you failed to explain that you use a different definition for "historic premillennialism" than most of us.

 

[VCO]

Look VCO, God promised to preserve his word. His preserved word will be perfect as the KJV is perfect. Bible translations that say Jesus had an origin are not God's word and they're are hinderance to understanding his word.

A known Paraphase updating the language, which the Translatation Team admitted they were not trying to make a new TRANSLATION, is better than people who actually went back to the origninal languages and did genuine literal interpretations.

No wonder I like Holman's Christian Standard Bible so much. YEAH that is another, GOOD GRIEF!