Not By Works

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loveme1 said:
Each verse you use is better in context without you adding no works... unto and by was never in question... you state works are not part of Salvation to gain, finish or keep and the Bible teaches different. So yes all can read through and hopefully adhere to Scripture.
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No the bible does not teach different....

OH FOOLISH GALATIANS WHO HAS BEWITCHED YOU.....HAVING BEGUN in the SPIRIT are YOU NOW MADE COMPLETE (perfect) by WORKS.........

FAITH plus works to GAIN, KEEP or FACILLITATE salvation is FALSE........end of story.......

what PART of NOT BY WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS WHICH WE HAVE DONE do you not understand??
 
loveme1 said:
What if you don't do good works are you still saved?
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What constitutes a good work? How many do you have to do? Can I do ONE good work a month and be ok?

I'm being totally serious here. You believe you MUST do good works to attain or maintain salvation. I think if that is the case you need to tell us how many, and exactly what kind are necessary.
 
Works have NOTHING to do with getting or keeping salvation. Grace through faith is what keeps us saved. :)
 
The theif had repentance, and he had faith, and he had belief. THAT got accomplished right there and then.


loveme1 said:
It is a fine example of our Gracious GOD indeed but the Messiah was on the cross at that time with the thief... much yet to come to pass...
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PennEd said:
What constitutes a good work? How many do you have to do? Can I do ONE good work a month and be ok?

I'm being totally serious here. You believe you MUST do good works to attain or maintain salvation. I think if that is the case you need to tell us how many, and exactly what kind are necessary.
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Do I need to tell you? Does not Scripture teach us works? Did the Messiah not rebuke and chasten and teach works? Those He loves... it is written. So is it not that I believe the Messiah and share His Word?
 
dcontroversal said:
No the bible does not teach different....

OH FOOLISH GALATIANS WHO HAS BEWITCHED YOU.....HAVING BEGUN in the SPIRIT are YOU NOW MADE COMPLETE (perfect) by WORKS.........

FAITH plus works to GAIN, KEEP or FACILLITATE salvation is FALSE........end of story.......

what PART of NOT BY WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS WHICH WE HAVE DONE do you not understand??
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bring forth the scripture to support this? Show me the Messiah rebuking those He loved with: Faith plus works to gain, Keep or facilitate salvation is false? Quote the Messiah?
 
loveme1 said:
bring forth the scripture to support this? Show me the Messiah rebuking those He loved with: Faith plus works to gain, Keep or facilitate salvation is false? Quote the Messiah?
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That's flawed, the Messiah words are spoken through the Apostles after His death.
So just because the Messiah didn't use His spoken word to say what you are trying to say does NOT mean the word of God does not come through the apostles.
And Paul was an apostle last time I checked.
He espoused that it is ONLY faith that is required for salvation and many of the other apostles spoke of security in salvation without mentioning works included.
He also spoke on many occasions of false works based gospels coming out of Jerusalem.
 
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loveme1 said:
bring forth the scripture to support this? Show me the Messiah rebuking those He loved with: Faith plus works to gain, Keep or facilitate salvation is false? Quote the Messiah?
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His name is JESUS and he by DIRECT REVELATION taught PAUL the things that needed to be said that the disciples were not yet ready to bear....and lest you forget...JESUS was BORN, LIVED and DIED under the LAW which ratified the NEW Covenant....

Your verbiage belies your roots.....and if you say that PAUL and JESUS contradict each other....this will prove your ignorance to ALL and prove you are not open to the truth.......and I did

GALATIANS 1 and 3....Titus 3:5, Ephesians 2:8-10, John 3:15-16, 36

AND JESUS said....THIS IS the work of the FATHER...BELIEVE on HIM whom he has sent....wake up.....and go study some more
 
blue_ladybug said:
Love, what exactly do you consider good works? To me, it's mowing an elderly person's lawn, or serving homeless people a meal at a soup kitchen. Or visiting a widow with young children, and volunteering to help her out.THESE things all show God's love to others through us.

BUT they don't save us. They don't keep us saved, nor will they get us into heaven.
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What if an atheist does all those things?
 
IT IS the only way to lose salvation. It's blatantly obvious that if you're eternally damned, you don't still have your salvation.. The eternally damned go to hell, NOT heaven..


loveme1 said:
They do not receive forgiveness.... indeed. You said it was the only way to lose Salvation.
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blue_ladybug said:
Mark 3:29

. But he that blasphemes against the Holy Ghost shall have no forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation.
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I just want to remind ALL....blasphemy of the Holy Spirit = unbelief into the work of Christ as being from GOD....one who will not believe cannot be forgiven....if you will not believe and be forgiven you cannot be saved.....

NOTHING can cause the LOSS of salvation, yet UNBELIEF can KEEP one from being saved........
 
Atheists don't believe in God, therefore they are not saved. Doing the things I listed ARE good works though. It's nearly impossible NOT to do good things for others. :) Believers and non-believers alike, do good works every day.

loveme1 said:
What if an atheist does all those things?
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dcontroversal said:
His name is JESUS and he by DIRECT REVELATION taught PAUL the things that needed to be said that the disciples were not yet ready to bear....and lest you forget...JESUS was BORN, LIVED and DIED under the LAW which ratified the NEW Covenant....

Your verbiage belies your roots.....and if you say that PAUL and JESUS contradict each other....this will prove your ignorance to ALL and prove you are not open to the truth.......and I did

GALATIANS 1 and 3....Titus 3:5, Ephesians 2:8-10, John 3:15-16, 36

AND JESUS said....THIS IS the work of the FATHER...BELIEVE on HIM whom he has sent....wake up.....and go study some more
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So you believe and Hear Him and follow Him wherever He goes? You know His voice?
 
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