Catholic believe pope is infallible

[FranC]

I am studying these catholic writings. I have to cross check the same if these are in line with the Bible, otherwise these are man's views, not God's. Sadly, no Bible verse references are given.

Please send me some Bible verses that explain what "Sanctifying Grace" and "actual Grace" is.

If you're really serioius about studying Catholicism, you should buy a softcover book:
Catechism of the Catholic Church
with modifications from the Editio Typica
an Image Book
Doubleday

I paid mine about 8$.

I will list some scripture that runs from paragraphs 1996 to 2005:

John 1:12-18
John 17:3
Romans 8:14-17
2 Peter 1:3-4
1 Corinthians 2:7-9
John 4:14
John 7:38-39
2 Corinthians 5:17-18
1 Corinthians 12
Romans 12:6-8
Mathew 7:20

It also refers to writings of the Early Church Fathers, especially Augustine.

 

[FranC]

The catholic view of repentance is incorrect.

Repentance after confession is fine, as a child of God is not perfect and will sin. However, the first Repentance happens before baptism. Repentance is the reason why God forgives a person's sins, sees his or her faith, and accepts him or her as a child of God. A person is saved through faith, when he decides to repent and turn to God. It's a decision to leave worldly ways and live the rest of one's life in obedience to God. it's a complete change of heart that transforms a person.

Catholics are baptized as infants. An infant is not capable of understanding God and is not capable of repenting. Infant baptism does nothing for the infant, as they cannot have faith. How can the parents' faith save an infant? This is not at all biblical.

Repentance is a milestone in a person's life, when one is cut to the heart and sees how their sins have put Jesus on the Cross. One therefore decides (it's a firm decision, not a wavy temporary decision) to make a 180 degree turn from their sins and turn towards God and never repeat their sins again.(Acts 2:37-41)

Now, a person will sin after repentance. Therefore he has to continue to repent for the rest of his or her life. After the initial repentance, he or she is covered and sanctified by the blood of Jesus. (1 John 1:7)

Just wanted to ask you: When does this first Repentance take place in the heart of a catholic child? Obviously not before baptism as the Bible requires. Then when?

The first repentance takes place at exactly the same time as with any other person that becomes Christian.
The RCC realizes that not everyone will be saved.

Children are taught that they must repent (as you've explained it) and accept Jesus as their Savior.

The same as with any Protestant person.
A Catholic's baby baptism MUST BE ACCEPTED AS AN ADULT, when one can have FAITH, which is what saves.
Ephesians 2:8

 

[FranC]

Even I don't like the catholic church to be called a cult. I have family members who are catholic. I have wonderful childhood memories as a catholic.
Yes, no church is perfect, but the catholic church has gone overboard with their man-made teachings and traditions that contradict the Bible.

There are certain signs by which we can recognize a cult:
1. They have a single powerful leadership over all congregations
2. The leader's opinion becomes Law
3. They use control tactics
4. They deny/change some fundamental truths of the Bible such as:
Jesus was not the Son of God
Jesus is not God
The Bible is not the ultimate word of God
Jesus is Archangel Michael
5. They make faithful members leave their homes and stay away from their families.

The reason people call the catholic church satanic because there are stories spreading in Europe and America that the Pope is the antichrist and the catholic church is the harlot. Christians in the Middle East believe that the harlot is Iraq.

I don't know enough about this to speak about it, but some believe the anti-Christ will come out of Mecca.
The Pope is not the anti-Christ. He is NOT AGAINST CHRIST.
I do, however, believe he would like a one-world religion.

 

[FranC]

so catholic believe Jesus is not God? This is serious. It mean catholic attact the very fundamental of Christian believe.
even the devil believe Jesus is God

He was talking about OTHER CHURCHES. NOT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.

Please don't misunderstand him !!!!

The Catholic Church b eleives JESUS IS GOD.

 

[FranC]

2Maccabees 12: 46

Thus he made atonement for the dead that they might be freed from this sin.

Jews to this day believe in a final purification process, they pray a prayer called the Mourner’s Kaddish for their loved one’s purification.

the Catholics didnt pull this idea out of thin air.

Also Corinthians
Also the parable of the debtor...

(I still don't agree)

 

[Jackson123]

I don't know enough about this to speak about it, but some believe the anti-Christ will come out of Mecca.
The Pope is not the anti-Christ. He is NOT AGAINST CHRIST.
I do, however, believe he would like a one-world religion.

no, antichrist come from religion AS It were Christian, not muslim

I believe It is pope.

Among charateristics of the antichrist are

went out from us / Christian but not one of us

have great power over all nations /rev 13.

worship by all nations/religious Leader

etc




1 John 2.
18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

 

[FranC]

no, antichrist come from religion AS It were Christian, not muslim

I believe It is pope.

Among charateristics of the antichrist are

went out from us / Christian but not one of us

have great power over all nations /rev 13.

worship by all nations/religious Leader

etc




1 John 2.
18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

I'm sorry. I'm very bad with escatology.
And cannot speak to it...

 

[notuptome]

i Jaybird,

I also have a problem with purgatory and every priest I'm friendly with knows that I do.

Did you know that children are more araid of purgatory than hell?
I taught Catechism for years and understand why.

As for me, I feel that if purgatory is real, then wouldn't that mean that Jesus' sacrifice was not sufficient?
that's my problem with it.

I know that it can be shown from scripture that it might exist.
Do you believe JESUS ever spoke of it??
I don't believe so...

The problem becomes that purgatory is eternal. Jesus indicated as much when He taught that the rich man could not escape the torments and transfer to Abrahams bosom where there was rest and peace.

All those who die apart from Christ have a part in the lake of fire which burns for ever and ever.

Those who are redeemed through the blood of Christ are never again subject to condemnation. They are sealed by the Holy Spirit unto the day of redemption. The blood of the eternal covenant speaks to the hope of the redeemed.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[FranC]

The problem becomes that purgatory is eternal. Jesus indicated as much when He taught that the rich man could not escape the torments and transfer to Abrahams bosom where there was rest and peace.

All those who die apart from Christ have a part in the lake of fire which burns for ever and ever.

Those who are redeemed through the blood of Christ are never again subject to condemnation. They are sealed by the Holy Spirit unto the day of redemption. The blood of the eternal covenant speaks to the hope of the redeemed.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Purgatory is not eternal according to Catholic teaching.

If, in your post above, you're speaking about Luke 16, the persons across the chasm from Abraham's Bossom are in hell, not purgatory.

IF you think they're in purgatory, then you agree that it exists...

 

[Jackson123]

I'm sorry. I'm very bad with escatology.
And cannot speak to it...

it is simpel FranC.

1john 2 clearly state, antichrist went out from us.

john is Christian so us mean christian

but not one of us

mean not christian

look like christian but not

than you have some choice

mormon, yehova witness, catholic

next characteristic

have great power to all nations

it must leader of big institution

that rule out Mormon and yehova witness, lift catholic

 

[AllenW]

it is simpel FranC.

1john 2 clearly state, antichrist went out from us.

john is Christian so us mean christian

but not one of us

mean not christian

look like christian but not

than you have some choice

mormon, yehova witness, catholic

next characteristic

have great power to all nations

it must leader of big institution

that rule out Mormon and yehova witness, lift catholic

Jackson, I'm glad you have all the answers, because none of us do.
So tell us more, you must have more answers, tell us all the answers so we will know like you.
You can become our leader Jackson, you can teach us.

 

[jaybird88]

i Jaybird,

I also have a problem with purgatory and every priest I'm friendly with knows that I do.

what problem u have with it?

Did you know that children are more araid of purgatory than hell?
I taught Catechism for years and understand why.

makes me think of baptist preachers and hell.

As for me, I feel that if purgatory is real, then wouldn't that mean that Jesus' sacrifice was not sufficient?
that's my problem with it.

thats a good point. what about the judgment we face after this life? some may get judged to hell but what of those that are judged for lesser things, what would be the judgment and where do you serve the time?

I know that it can be shown from scripture that it might exist.
Do you believe JESUS ever spoke of it??
I don't believe so...

some say its in the blasphemy against the HS teaching. the teachings of Jesus we have, he doesnt put much focus in it and that has always been my view on it, it shouldnt be a tool used to scare kids.
im 90% the Essenes of Qumran wrote about it.

 

[Jackson123]

Jackson, I'm glad you have all the answers, because none of us do.
So tell us more, you must have more answers, tell us all the answers so we will know like you.
You can become our leader Jackson, you can teach us.

Allen, I am not theologian, and I am only regular member in my church, oN catholicism, I read a Lot, but because my limitation,
I do not think I am qualifide to be leader.

 

[AllenW]

Allen, I am not theologian, and I am only regular member in my church, oN catholicism, I read a Lot, but because my limitation,
I do not think I am qualifide to be leader.

Then what makes you qualified to put down catholics since you only think things, you don't really know things.
Not being the teacher, you don't really know, do you?
What if you're wrong?
Think of the damage you are doing to Christianity.

 

[notuptome]

Purgatory is not eternal according to Catholic teaching.

If, in your post above, you're speaking about Luke 16, the persons across the chasm from Abraham's Bossom are in hell, not purgatory.

IF you think they're in purgatory, then you agree that it exists...

Well you can define it as hell, the grave, death or whatever you want as the Greek allows for that but there is no purgatory in the catholic sense that one goes there to be purged of venial sins. It clearly teaches that those who are there are not going anywhere else except the lake of fire.

Catholic teaching as usual is wrong as it is not biblical but heretical.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[notuptome]

He was talking about OTHER CHURCHES. NOT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.

Please don't misunderstand him !!!!

The Catholic Church b eleives JESUS IS GOD.

He did point out that the demons believe Jesus is God. In fact they know Jesus is God. The belief must migrate from the head to the heart to be effective. No belief no matter how ardently held if it is unbiblical it is of no merit especially before God.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[AllenW]

Well you can define it as hell, the grave, death or whatever you want as the Greek allows for that but there is no purgatory in the catholic sense that one goes there to be purged of venial sins. It clearly teaches that those who are there are not going anywhere else except the lake of fire.

Catholic teaching as usual is wrong as it is not biblical but heretical.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

The problem I see with the above is that I don't see much difference in the protestant churches.
Find me a church that doesn't teach tithing, they are as rare as anything.
Oh, the catholics don't preach tithing?
Imagine that!
So, do I go to a church that preaches purgatory or go to one that wants all my money?

 

[notuptome]

The problem I see with the above is that I don't see much difference in the protestant churches.
Find me a church that doesn't teach tithing, they are as rare as anything.
Oh, the catholics don't preach tithing?
Imagine that!
So, do I go to a church that preaches purgatory or go to one that wants all my money?

Mr 8:37 Or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?

Go where they feed your soul.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[AllenW]

Mr 8:37 Or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?

Go where they feed your soul.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

That's a good answer Roger.

 

[Jackson123]

Then what makes you qualified to put down catholics since you only think things, you don't really know things.
Not being the teacher, you don't really know, do you?
What if you're wrong?
Think of the damage you are doing to Christianity.

Allen, we do not need to be teacher to post in this forum. Just post what I believe It is right and It may help fellow man not lost and go to wrong direction. It is away to danger. Catholic more danger than satanism.

people know wo is in behind satanism. They know It is bad

But in catholicims, most people think, It is from God. They think purgatory teaching is from God.

Look at, catholic helping the poor. She wrapped her teaching AS If the teaching of God.

Helping the poor may good, but what is the ultimatum goal

Is that gain sympathy for gain more follower, to delivered to hell.

Helping poor, or Helping devil to get more friend in hell?