How to prove that the Earth is flat, and not a sphere...

pckts · Jul 7, 2017

Here are more flat earth theory components

Sun and moon are the same size

The seasons are caused by the path the sun and moon take and the subsequent circle they form moving throughout the year.

The sun and moon are like 3 miles in diameter, don't quote me on that but it's under 10 miles.

I agree it's hard for us to prove it's flat or a sphere, but you can prove to yourself the videos and images of outer space, curvature, and other globe things are not factual, and then you are left with The Flat Earth Bible Scriptures, the observable flat surface we live on, and weird things like "Antarctica " being off limits and our flights seeming more accurate on the flat earth map than the globe.

Burninglight · Jul 7, 2017

pckts said:

I am not close minded; there are compelling arguments for a flat earth. I just think it is hard to accept as truth when all your life you believed it was a sphere. It is confusing to be honest. All I know to do go to the word of God for evidence, and I find that Job calls it the circle of the earth. He didn't say sphere. So, I don't know enough to argue against a flat earth, but if I do argue for it, people will think I am crazy.

pckts · Jul 7, 2017

Burninglight said:

And Isaiah refers to it as a circle as well, while elsewhere in Isiah ball is used to describe the shape of things.
◄ Isaiah 22:18 ►

King James Bible
He will surely violently turn and toss thee like a ball into a large country: there shalt thou die, and there the chariots of thy glory shall be the shame of thy lord's house.

Yeah "crazy" is definitely quickly attached to you if you start talking flat earth to people. Some even will call you that or "bible thumper" for believing in Christ, but usually people are more respectful and hesitate to criticize one's religious beliefs openly than fringe scientific beliefs.

And you rarely can convince someone the earth is flat. I've convinced a few the moon landing is fake, but the flat earth even if they initially give it credence, it doesn't last long and they reject it. I never fit in anyway so I don't mind getting pushed further out of the circles, and my true friends just think it's funny and respect my convictions at the very least, so I don't have any ill effects in my life from it.

Burninglight · Jul 7, 2017

pckts said:

Well, I respect your views. As for me, the jury is still out on the flat earth theory. The quote you gave from Isaiah argues more for a sphere (Ball) but Job said circle not sphere. As for the science of it, if I look at the Bedford level experiment involving spherical trigonometry about water and the earth's curvature; it is a hard one to gainsay.

BTW, I have strong doubts about the moon landing as well. For one, how come it had never been done again? Why was the flag waving on the moon where there is supposed to be no wind and so on? Finally, why can't we see a flag up there now with a powerful telescope and many other such questions?

pckts · Jul 7, 2017

Burninglight said:

The scripture I used from Isaiah was not in reference to the earth, I was just giving you an example of the terminology ball being used to describe in this book.

Here circle is used for earth:

◄ Isaiah 40:22 ►

King James Bible
It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

Elsewhere ball is attributed to the shape of something. This is not in reference to the earth, I just wanted to show you that the author was not limited to calling spheres circles:

◄ Isaiah 22:18 ►

King James Bible
He will surely violently turn and toss thee like a ball into a large country: there shalt thou die, and there the chariots of thy glory shall be the shame of thy lord's house.

We haven't "gone back" to the moon, because with modern cameras and viewing platforms it would be too difficult to pass of a studio production as outer space travel like they did on the grainy cameras and tube TVs. NASA claims they accidentally deleted all the moon landing footage to cover their tracks:

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2009/jul/16/moon-landing-tapes-erased

Here is a good point made about the footage that implies it was a studio production:

<span class="p">[video=youtube;Gem10A4yt5w]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gem10A4yt5w[/video]

Here is the low budget sci-fi like takeoff from the moon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4yYZh1U908

And here is how they faked the reduced "gravity"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkYETGJ3OGE

Burninglight · Jul 7, 2017

Harkins said:

Then you needs, I say you needs to learn patience, son. Ever since those asto-space people chatted in real time with the "I'm not a crook" Nixon (from the moon, mind you) - we've been being fed...I say being fed promises of going back to the moon, as well as colonizing other planets,see. Usually these big events somehow just coincidentally coincide with a major Hollywood blockbuster - like all the hype about probes to mars and such - and how we'll be colonizing it in...

wait for it...

by 2030 or so. Ok, not so far away, only 13 years.

But as sure as my betsy's spots aren't purple, once we get within a few years of that, they'll be pushing it back again see. That's how these things work, don't you know. Meanwhile, most of humanity will have forgotten all about the previous promises and dates and will be hypnotized by the new set of films.

Because, we're smart.

Your avatar drives me nuts.

Burninglight · Jul 7, 2017

pckts said:

I see about the Scripture. It doesn't say sphere; it says circle. When one entertains the possibility of a flat earth, they are not only thought of as crazy and stupid, but they actually start getting angry with you. What is strange is there are arguments to support both views. And it can actually drive me crazy learning the truth.

As for the moon landing, I don't see how they could've got passed the Van Halen radiation belt. I think we faked it during the space race with Russia. We had to make it appear we did something they couldn't. The astronauts were questioned by doubters about it, but they swear they went. Maybe they are sworn to secrecy.

I heard an American and a Russian arguing. The Russian said, "But we were the first in space" the American said, "But we the first on the moon" Another person came by and said "So what, we'll be the first on the sun" The American looked at the Russian and the Russian at the American looked at the one that said that. They both said, "You can't land on the sun, you'll burn up." The person said, No, you don't understand, we'll travel at night"

Huckleberry · Jul 8, 2017

Burninglight said:

The jury's still out?
That the Earth is a sphere which orbits the sun is hard
scientific fact based on the hard science of physics.
Hard science is knowledge that can be proven
mathematically, I.e., physics and chemistry.
Unlike evolution and other pseudo-sciences, this is incontrovertible.
Concerning one of your stumbling blocks, google "lunar flag assembly".

Burninglight · Jul 8, 2017

Huckleberry said:

Take easy friend. It is not important what one believes about the earth. Our salvation doesn't depend on it. There is evidence to support both views. Have you heard of the Bedford experiment? According to incontrovertible evidence you speak of, the earth is a sphere with a circumference of 25, 000 miles.

According to spherical trigonometry, we can calculate the curvature of the earth using water. For every mile in a channel of open water, the ocean should dip 8" times the square of distance; therefore, in a six mile distance the ocean should dip six feet, but the experiment proves that water remains level. You can build huge sky scrapers based on the accuracy of water level. Can you explain why the water doesn't conform to the curve of the earth?

Yes the jury is still out for me. Even the Bible says the "circle of the earth" not the sphere. It is in Isaiah and in Job. I know I cannot believe everything NASA says or all I read, hear or even see especially from our American government. But God's word can be trusted. I am asking God to show me the truth. I have doubts that man even landed on the moon, but I don't doubt Christ as my Savior. All I am saying is I don't know.

Burninglight · Jul 8, 2017

Evolution goes against the Bible, but a flat earth doesn't. As It stands now, I lean more in favor of a spherical earth, but I am not dead sure that is correct, because there are questions science cannot answer about it.

pckts · Jul 8, 2017

Burninglight said:

on flat earth The "circle of the earth" may be seated inside of a square (that's where 4 corners of the earth and ends of earth come from), and the stars are much smaller and closer.

Here are some additional verses that support flat earth:

[h=3]Psalm 104:5 ESV[/h]He set the earth on its foundations, so that it should never be moved.
[h=3]Revelation 7:1 ESV[/h]After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth, that no wind might blow on earth or sea or against any tree.
[h=3]Matthew 4:8 ESV[/h]Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory.
[h=3]Psalm 93:1 ESV[/h]The Lord reigns; he is robed in majesty; the Lord is robed; he has put on strength as his belt. Yes, the world is established; it shall never be moved.
[h=3]Joshua 10:12 ESV[/h]At that time Joshua spoke to the Lord in the day when the Lord gave the Amorites over to the sons of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, “Sun, stand still at Gibeon, and moon, in the Valley of Aijalon.”
[h=3]Job 37:3 ESV[/h]Under the whole heaven he lets it go, and his lightning to the corners of the earth.
[h=3]Isaiah 11:12 ESV[/h]He will raise a signal for the nations and will assemble the banished of Israel, and gather the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.
[h=3]Job 28:24 ESV[/h]For he looks to the ends of the earth and sees everything under the heavens.
[h=3]Daniel 4:10-11 ESV[/h]The visions of my head as I lay in bed were these: I saw, and behold, a tree in the midst of the earth, and its height was great. The tree grew and became strong, and its top reached to heaven, and it was visible to the end of the whole earth.
[h=3]Revelation 1:7 ESV[/h]Behold, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him, and all tribes of the earth will wail on account of him. Even so. Amen.
[h=3]Matthew 24:29 ESV[/h]“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.
[h=3]Ecclesiastes 1:5 ESV[/h]The sun rises, and the sun goes down, and hastens to the place where it rises.
[h=3]Revelation 6:13 ESV[/h]And the stars of the sky fell to the earth as the fig tree sheds its winter fruit when shaken by a gale.
[h=3]Daniel 8:10 ESV[/h]It grew great, even to the host of heaven. And some of the host and some of the stars it threw down to the ground and trampled on them.
[h=3]Revelation 20:8 ESV[/h]And will come out to deceive the nations that are at the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them for battle; their number is like the sand of the sea.
[h=3]Luke 4:5 ESV[/h]And the devil took him up and showed him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time,

Burninglight · Jul 8, 2017

pckts said:

on flat earth The "circle of the earth" may be seated inside of a square (that's where 4 corners of the earth and ends of earth come from), and the stars are much smaller and closer.

Here are some additional verses that support flat earth:

Psalm 104:5 ESV

He set the earth on its foundations, so that it should never be moved.
Revelation 7:1 ESV

After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth, that no wind might blow on earth or sea or against any tree.
Matthew 4:8 ESV

Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory.
Psalm 93:1 ESV

The Lord reigns; he is robed in majesty; the Lord is robed; he has put on strength as his belt. Yes, the world is established; it shall never be moved.
Joshua 10:12 ESV

At that time Joshua spoke to the Lord in the day when the Lord gave the Amorites over to the sons of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, “Sun, stand still at Gibeon, and moon, in the Valley of Aijalon.”
Job 37:3 ESV

Under the whole heaven he lets it go, and his lightning to the corners of the earth.
Isaiah 11:12 ESV

He will raise a signal for the nations and will assemble the banished of Israel, and gather the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.
Job 28:24 ESV

For he looks to the ends of the earth and sees everything under the heavens.
Daniel 4:10-11 ESV

The visions of my head as I lay in bed were these: I saw, and behold, a tree in the midst of the earth, and its height was great. The tree grew and became strong, and its top reached to heaven, and it was visible to the end of the whole earth.
Revelation 1:7 ESV

Behold, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him, and all tribes of the earth will wail on account of him. Even so. Amen.
Matthew 24:29 ESV

“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.
Ecclesiastes 1:5 ESV

The sun rises, and the sun goes down, and hastens to the place where it rises.
Revelation 6:13 ESV

And the stars of the sky fell to the earth as the fig tree sheds its winter fruit when shaken by a gale.
Daniel 8:10 ESV

It grew great, even to the host of heaven. And some of the host and some of the stars it threw down to the ground and trampled on them.
Revelation 20:8 ESV

And will come out to deceive the nations that are at the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them for battle; their number is like the sand of the sea.
Luke 4:5 ESV

And the devil took him up and showed him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time,

Isaiah 24 The floodgates of the heavens are opened,
the foundations of the earth shake.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]The earth is broken up,
the earth is split asunder,
the earth is violently shaken.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]The earth reels like a drunkard,
it sways like a hut in the wind;
so heavy upon it is the guilt of its rebellion
that it falls—never to rise again.

Isaiah and Job say the circle of the earth; they don't say the 4 corners. It can't be a circle with 4 corners can it? Also doesn't the reeling back and forth like a drunkard in Isaiah 24 suggest something that is spinning off its axis? I am not judging you for believing in a flat earth, but I am not 100% convinced of a spherical or flat earth yet.

pckts · Jul 8, 2017

Burninglight said:

It can be a circle with 4 corners like this:

The flat earth model has the ice ring in place of Antarctica/south pole, so extended beyond that ring could eventually form a square.
It goes into more detail here about there being 4 winds associated with the corners:
◄ Revelation 7:1 ►
King James Bible
And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.

For Isaiah 24, "the floodgates opening", The Bible seems to imply during Genesis 1 that their is water above the firmament:

[SUP]7 [/SUP]And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

So this action of floodgates opening could be holes opening in the firmament to allow this water above the firmament to flood the earth.

The earth reeling like a drunkard and the foundations shaking could just be the foundations of the earth shaking as a result of these actions. The Bible said these foundations are immovable, and shall never be moved, but a shaking action isn't necessarily movement, and if the very foundations moved it would probably create powerful earthquakes on the surface.

floodgates opening on the globe doesn't make sense at all, and on the flat earth the water can "drain" out the bottom, while on the globe it would have nowhere to go.

posthuman · Jul 8, 2017

i heard that there is no such thing as Antarctica, but that there is an ice-wall which holds up the sky ringing the whole earth, and that the government won't let anyone go there and explore or anything . . . ?

posthuman · Jul 8, 2017

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Burninglight · Jul 8, 2017

pckts said:

It can be a circle with 4 corners like this:

View attachment 171798

The flat earth model has the ice ring in place of Antarctica/south pole, so extended beyond that ring could eventually form a square.
It goes into more detail here about there being 4 winds associated with the corners:
◄ Revelation 7:1 ►
King James Bible
And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.

For Isaiah 24, "the floodgates opening", The Bible seems to imply during Genesis 1 that their is water above the firmament:

[SUP]7 [/SUP]And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

View attachment 171799
So this action of floodgates opening could be holes opening in the firmament to allow this water above the firmament to flood the earth.

The earth reeling like a drunkard and the foundations shaking could just be the foundations of the earth shaking as a result of these actions. The Bible said these foundations are immovable, and shall never be moved, but a shaking action isn't necessarily movement, and if the very foundations moved it would probably create powerful earthquakes on the surface.

floodgates opening on the globe doesn't make sense at all, and on the flat earth the water can "drain" out the bottom, while on the globe it would have nowhere to go.

Yes, that is very interesting and believable to me, but I am still researching this. What does the government have to hide to keep us from exploring past the ice wall or why would they have us believe the world is a sphere when we have the technology to prove differently?

Burninglight · Jul 8, 2017

posthuman said:

lol, that is funny; instead of the sea and ocean walls rising we lose water. No more fish dinners, lol

Burninglight · Jul 8, 2017

So if the earth is turning or spinning, a rocket or satellite that got out of the earth's atmosphere should be able to stay still and see the earth spin to where they can see all the countries go by without moving themselves. They can put that on film for us all to see. Why don't they do it? I used to think the stars are millions of light years away until a young Christian girl I was supposed to be teaching the Bible told me God's creation isn't that old (Embarrassing) . Stars are closer that we can imagine, and the sun may not be as big as we are told it is.

pckts · Jul 8, 2017

Burninglight said:

They would need to have the sphere earth and outer space in place to distort the truth and allow evolution, big bang, aliens, and there other agendas to begin. Occultists also worship the physical sun and stars, and on the globe earth model they are given much more importance. while the earth is minimized.

You really can't be an atheist and believe in the flat earth theory, they are incompatible beliefs, it also took credibility away from The Bible's (The Truth's) account of universal and human creation.

This lie began in the 1600's when it was much easier to purport the lie, and as we became more aware of our surroundings, "they" instilled more control over the earth and could take their deceptions to the next level with videos, images, and rockets to nowhere.

We can't explore Antarctica or beyond it freely, because you could travel along the edges of it, and quickly find that the circumference is much larger and impossible to be a pole or traditional landmass. So it's heavily restricted and only certain portions can be explored to give the illusion it's a landmass no different than Australia or "the north pole".

The church tried to persecute the "globalists" and keep the lie from spreading, but eventually the scientific community had their foundations in place, got it in the school systems, and over time converted us all to the belief similar to evolution today. People have a hard time believing a conspiracy of this scope could be in place, but when you consider our heavily regulated and controlled sea travel, air flights, space domains, occultist scientific communities, media, and governments, all the tools are in place for this deception.

Have you seen these amateur weather balloon videos (without fish eye lens)?

[video=youtube;Ph6_4mbxgDg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ph6_4mbxgDg[/video]

GaryA · Jul 8, 2017

Burninglight said:

What they are trying to hide is God...

( It is not the government specifically, but those under the influence of Satan - who have infiltrated the governments of the world, and have enough control over certain places on the Earth so as to prevent "just anyone" from going there, exploring it, etc. )

Would anyone who believes the Earth is flat under a dome ( i.e. - we live in a giant 'snow-globe' of sorts ) - with an ice wall ring around the oceans ( reference: Job 26:10 ) - ever believe in the big bang, evolution, aliens, etc.?

Or, are they more likely to believe that there is a Creator?

Think about it...

It is all about control of the masses.

It is all about a New World Order.

Satan wants to rule the Earth.

How to prove that the Earth is flat, and not a sphere...

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