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blue_ladybug said:
Uhhhhh, there were.. :confused: Or at least, very soon after He was born..
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That is an example of a tradition that has been taught that is not true. Try to find the wise men at Jesus' birth. They came at least a year after he was born and He was then a child. And it doesn't say there were 3 of them.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:

No, I read you right, That's why I reposted what you said.

You said convict and chasten were the same

No, The lord rebukes them, he does not convict them, Again, Why does someone who knows something is sin need that sin exposed.
Because baby christians don't know it all.

He needs his heart exposed, not his sin.

You do not rebuke a person who is not a child of God, you convict them
Not true. The holy Spirit is the only one convicting anyone of sin.
We plant & water, but God gives the increase.
You do not convict a child of God, you rebuke, or admonish them.
Same thing here
this is where understanding of the English language helps and context help.

Yes, the word (translated rebuke) CAN BE translated convict It does not mean that is the WAY it should be translated. and notice how none of the English interpretors translated the word convict, but all translated rebuke, admonish, correct, reprove, There is a reason, the English word convict does not fit the context.
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Stephen63 said:
God's letter with the Holy Spirit dealing with them brought godly sorrow to the church. That is conviction.
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The letter that Paul speaks to is directed at the assembly in Corinth and them receiving PAUL and company as from God......so.......again what is your point...if they were CONVICTED that would have been the word INSPIRED of GOD....NOT SORROW......

WE can ALL write letters that leads to SORROW, but not necessarily CONVICTION.....it seems you are ADDING your own flavor....
 
Stephen63 said:
I want to note some inaccuracies here in this post in red:
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The only inaccuracies in red seem to be above this post.....every thing in red in EG's post is true...man what religion are you...serious? Do you just like to argue for the sake of arguing......WOW

Originally Posted by eternally-gratefull
No, I read you right, That's why I reposted what you said.

You said convict and chasten were the same

No, The lord rebukes them, he does not convict them, Again, Why does someone who knows something is sin need that sin exposed.
Because baby christians don't know it all.

He needs his heart exposed, not his sin.

You do not rebuke a person who is not a child of God, you convict them
Not true. The holy Spirit is the only one convicting anyone of sin.
We plant & water, but God gives the increase.
You do not convict a child of God, you rebuke, or admonish them.
Same thing here
this is where understanding of the English language helps and context help.

Yes, the word (translated rebuke) CAN BE translated convict It does not mean that is the WAY it should be translated. and notice how none of the English interpretors translated the word convict, but all translated rebuke, admonish, correct, reprove, There is a reason, the English word convict does not fit the context.
 
blue_ladybug said:
To me, that's what convict means.. to rebuke, admonish, and/or correct us.. :)
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thanks sis, and you just showed what your was trying to say, and I pray everyone sees it.

the whole argument and cause of division is based on two interpretations of one word.

to me, convict does not mean those things, it means something else I am sure th Sam go s for grace777 and many others also
 
Grace777x70 said:
Can someone post all the scriptures that says that the Holy Spirit convicts the believer that is in Christ of sin in the New Covenant. Thanks. Let's see them all.

There must be lot's of them because so many in the church say this saying all the time - that the Holy Spirit convicts us believers of sinning.

( I know of one that says that the Holy Spirit "convicts" the believer of righteousness because Jesus went to the Father for us as our Advocate. )
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He convicts the ungodly...found in Jude. The word is convince but it means to convict fully.

Holy Spirit searches the heart of the believer and shines His light upon error. Gently and in love. That's how we know which spirit is working.

You are right Grace...Hold tight!
 
Stephen63 said:
I want to note some inaccuracies here in this post in red:
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1. Baby christians know they are sinners, they do not need to b convicted of sns
2. Thanks for agreeing with me,
3, you do? not admonish or rebuke a brother in sin? That's funny, God tells us to.

 
stonesoffire said:
Ariel

We overcome by the blood...and the Word of confession. His work. My God we are yet babes in the womb.
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Unless we apply His blood to the doorpost of our lives, we do not feel safe nor does His angels pass over us.
 
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FranC said:
Hi RS

I don't know to whom you're speaking.
If you reply to me, please use the quote feature.

I find that there is a great deal of misunderstanding between the O.C. and the N.C.
It would seem that under the O.C. we are under the Law and under the N.C. we are not.

You yourself have stated that there is no sin where there is no Law.

So, the question becomes IS THERE A LAW?

Or did it just CHANGE?

Did God take the Law from a piece of stone upon which it was written when given to Moses...

And did He place it in a heart of flesh as promised in Ezekiel 36.26...


Or was the Law done away with, discarded, abolished?

Are we to believe JESUS or not?

Did Jesus not say that He DID NOT come to abolish the Law, but to fulfill it. Make it more complete, make it BETTER.
Mathew 5:17

In fact, JESUS says that not one iota of the Law shall pass. Many here know Greek, apparently, and will know that IOTA means not even one little letter of the Law.

So since you say that we need a Law to be accountable for sin and you believe there is no Law...

Could you please show me where JESUS says this?

Thanks.
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Fran

I know this isn't to me but I do have an answer because I just myself received this revelation. And I feel like "where have I been"? kind of feeling right now.

We are born into the Kingdom of Heaven and His ruling within us. There are laws in the Kingdom, called the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus. They are not laws to control behavior such as in this world. They are the laws that work in the natural realm to bring about heavens ways to earth.

Our Father which art in heaven. Hallowed by thy name. Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven.

I feel reborn...or I've come alive...don't know what exactly to call it. But, I'm different.

And I hope others catch this because it's wonderful.
 
It's the goodness of the Lord that causes men to repent. When we "see" Him...we are broken in flesh...and lifed in Spirit.
 
Grace777x70 said:
Amen!

I sure do believe our loving Father corrects us and "child-trains" us. He does it by His word.

If we want to see how our Father corrects us - see how Jesus corrected and death with the disciples. Jesus is the perfect representation of the exact nature of the father and Jesus did the will of the Father while on this earth.

If we think God is punishing us - we have a wrong view of the Father and we are bringing our own humanistic thoughts and ways and projecting them on to Him and His ways.

1 John 4:18-19 (NASB)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves punishment, and the one who fears is not perfected in love.

[SUP]19 [/SUP] We love, because He first loved us.



What ways have we seen Jesus discipline the disciples? That would be an interesting study to ponder.
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Well what kind of "fear" are we talking about? If you are talking about the fear of condemnation then I'm right there with you.

BUT, I had a very healthy fear of my earthly father. I loved him, and I knew he loved me, but if I misbehaved he was REAL dutiful in correcting me. Sometimes that correction took the form of verbally being told to stop. When that didn't work he might move to time-outs or grounding as we called it back then. If I didn't get the message after that I could expect a spanking of some sort.

AT THE TIME I DIDN'T LIKE IT AT ALL!

Looking back, I see that he didn't like doing it, but knew it was necessary so as not to create a monster.

Our heavenly Father has A LOT more patience than my earthly father or me, but I believe He will LOVINGLY do what is necessary to transform us into the likeness of His One and only Son.

And honestly Bruce, I thank Him for that correction. As I posted earlier I think He allows us to screw up and deal with those consequences. In those moments we DO NOT have on our FULL armor of God, and are vulnerable to the fiery darts of the enemy, UNTIL we put them ALL on. Each piece of which is another manifestation of our sweet Lord, Jesus Christ.
 
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