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Please do not say what the Bible hasn't said. Also, please do not imply something that I haven't.
There is no need to seek a wife in order to be a leader. A single man can be a good leader.
However, Paul chose men who were already married, as leaders. Make whatever you want of this. It's in the Bible. It's as clear as anything can be. You will not agree, bcoz it smashes your catholic ideology.
So you admit is a mistake. But a pope is supposed to be infallible when he speaks ex cathedra. So should we assume that when the Pope made this terrible mistake of forbidding men to marry, he was not speaking ex cathedra? John and Paul chose a celibate life, but they did not impose this on others. If the Pope wants to remain single to serve the Lord better, that's his decision. Why is he forbidding men from getting married? Who is he to make such a rule? Who gave him the authority?
You are wrong! It's not at all a good example of men taking a good idea too far. It's a classic example of men taking an unnecessary idea with ulterior motives too far from the Word of God. Can't you open your eyes and see a Constantine-like control element?
You are wrong! It's not at all a good example of men taking a good idea too far. It's a classic example of men taking an unnecessary idea with ulterior motives too far from the Word of God. Can't you open your eyes and see a Constantine-like control element?
J
well to quote the bible"there is none perfect no not one" "there is none good no not one" according to dictionary "infallible" means-never wrong,which considering he is not God,nor,Jesus,or the holy spirit,The Pope like everyone else is wrong at some point,and like everyone else,he still sins,true we are all to strive for perfection but as my previous quoted scripture tells,none of us including the pope is perfect,kind of ironic to dispute this anyways when the bible plain as day tells this!
kind of sad also that people think to pray to mary,when neither God nor Jesus said to do this,Mary was "blessed above all women" but she was a woman not a goddess or even a perfect being,now if one were to say she was a devout follower and disciple of Jesus,that would be accurate,and to think well of her is good,but praise and Glory is reserved only for God,not any man nor woman here on Earth whether dead or alive,to do so is no different than idolatry,many man made Gods and Goddesses are in the bible and are not to be praised or uttered their names,Mary as much as she did well toward God,accepting to conceive Jesus,and later as a disciple of Jesus she did well,and her name is worth mentioning but she is not to be praised,for then one is using her name for foolishness,is it wrong for women to want to be like her? nay they can remain virgins,for this is indeed holy,the point is that anyone or anything that anyone puts in higher regard or more faith in than God or Jesus,Is Idolatry,whether this being the pope,Mary Magdalene,a celebrity or a work of people,if any of these one decides to give praise to,try to place on same level as God,or pray to,then you have chosen to be against God,for "to be a friend of the world is to be at enmity(WAR) with God" the sooner people realize this the sooner Jesus can come back for us,for "God is long suffering that all be led to repentance" so start choosing now are you on God's side or do you prefer the world's iniquity over God?
kind of sad also that people think to pray to mary,when neither God nor Jesus said to do this,Mary was "blessed above all women" but she was a woman not a goddess or even a perfect being,now if one were to say she was a devout follower and disciple of Jesus,that would be accurate,and to think well of her is good,but praise and Glory is reserved only for God,not any man nor woman here on Earth whether dead or alive,to do so is no different than idolatry,many man made Gods and Goddesses are in the bible and are not to be praised or uttered their names,Mary as much as she did well toward God,accepting to conceive Jesus,and later as a disciple of Jesus she did well,and her name is worth mentioning but she is not to be praised,for then one is using her name for foolishness,is it wrong for women to want to be like her? nay they can remain virgins,for this is indeed holy,the point is that anyone or anything that anyone puts in higher regard or more faith in than God or Jesus,Is Idolatry,whether this being the pope,Mary Magdalene,a celebrity or a work of people,if any of these one decides to give praise to,try to place on same level as God,or pray to,then you have chosen to be against God,for "to be a friend of the world is to be at enmity(WAR) with God" the sooner people realize this the sooner Jesus can come back for us,for "God is long suffering that all be led to repentance" so start choosing now are you on God's side or do you prefer the world's iniquity over God?
Jesus says it's not for everyone.
The Pope says it's for everyone!
Therefore Pope is not a follower of Jesus.
This is so simple and clear!!!!!
Do you think all priests can handle celibacy? Please answer HONESTLY!!!
The answer is a resounding NO !!!!!!!
Why forbid marriage then?
about being a doctrine of demons, please read carefully:
Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, 2 speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron, 3 forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. 4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing is to be refused if it is received with thanksgiving; 5 for it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.(1 Tim 4:1-5)
I'm not saying this. Paul is saying it!!
I have personally met young boys who were being trained to become catholic priests. They have admitted that there is much homosexuality in the catholic seminaries. Talk about the fruit of the doctrine of demons. Now you know why Paul calls it so.
As a kid, I regularly saw a catholic priest in civil clothes whistling to a girl from my neighbourhood. He would come daily and whistle, signalling to the girl that he's waiting. The girl would respond go out on dates with this catholic priest. He couldn't handle celibacy. There was no way out, because the Pope has not left any way out.
I also remember how a priest from my "parish" had an affair with a woman from the local congregation. Everyone knew about it. One day, he disappeared along with the woman and got married. He couldn't handle celibacy.
All these are not isolated incidents. These incidents are rampant among catholic priests.
Why forbid marriage?
The Pope says it's for everyone!
Therefore Pope is not a follower of Jesus.
This is so simple and clear!!!!!
Do you think all priests can handle celibacy? Please answer HONESTLY!!!
The answer is a resounding NO !!!!!!!
Why forbid marriage then?
about being a doctrine of demons, please read carefully:
Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, 2 speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron, 3 forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. 4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing is to be refused if it is received with thanksgiving; 5 for it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.(1 Tim 4:1-5)
I'm not saying this. Paul is saying it!!
I have personally met young boys who were being trained to become catholic priests. They have admitted that there is much homosexuality in the catholic seminaries. Talk about the fruit of the doctrine of demons. Now you know why Paul calls it so.
As a kid, I regularly saw a catholic priest in civil clothes whistling to a girl from my neighbourhood. He would come daily and whistle, signalling to the girl that he's waiting. The girl would respond go out on dates with this catholic priest. He couldn't handle celibacy. There was no way out, because the Pope has not left any way out.
I also remember how a priest from my "parish" had an affair with a woman from the local congregation. Everyone knew about it. One day, he disappeared along with the woman and got married. He couldn't handle celibacy.
All these are not isolated incidents. These incidents are rampant among catholic priests.
Why forbid marriage?
J
i believe the bible just fine, however you are not the bible.
this doctrine being that the example of Jesus, John and Paul are just as good teachers as those that are married?
i believe the bible is above your interpertation such as this one:
more like avoiding them.
they dont, what does that have to do with anything???
i interpret the bible with common sense.
this is called common sense, but lets try it your way. when the bible teaches a man should have one wife and good kids, explain how this rule applies to teachers such as Paul, a man with no wife, no kids.
i would say its wishful thinking based on Matthew 19:12
are you sure?
1 Corinthians 7:8-9
6Now as a concession, not a command, I say this.a 7I wish that all were as I myself am. But each has his own gift from God, one of one kind and one of another.
i am all for married men being teachers. i am against married men being preferred over unmarried men when that unmarried man gave up that life for a more devoted life. according to your logic man that follow that example of Jesus, John and Paul are not preferred teachers, this i strongly disagree.
It's not a mistake. it's a deviation from the Word of God. It's a sin. Need to call a spade a spade! The Pope must repent and ask forgiveness from the catholic community. The celibacy clause for priests must be repealed.
Again, it is not a good example or a good idea to stay single and force others to do the same. It's a bad example. If it violates the consciences of priests who cannot handle celibacy, it is indeed a very bad idea.
Again, it is not a good example or a good idea to stay single and force others to do the same. It's a bad example. If it violates the consciences of priests who cannot handle celibacy, it is indeed a very bad idea.
As a kid, my family used to pray the rosary daily, by either sitting or kneeling in front of the "altar."
My grandmother would often tell me to fix my eyes on the statue of Mary placed on the alter while I said the Hail Mary. A large statue of Mary occupied the central position on the altar. Statues of "infant Jesus" and saints were placed around her. A flickering electric bulb in the shape of a cross was placed in the centre front of the altar, with candle stands besides the cross bulb.
As I grew up and began to read the story bible, I began to take interest in the things of God. I often felt that my grandmother had no basis for forcing me to look at the Statue of Mary while praying. Therefore I once asked her, "Grandma, why do you force me to look at the statue and pray, as if Mary is actually present inside the statue? She said, " Yes, off course! Mary IS present inside the statue
! Please don't say these things again!"
My grandmother was wrong! This is just one of such instances. I can quote many!
I ignored it, as my grandmother had never been to school. But I later learned that schooling has nothing to do with it. (Peter was an unschooled ordinary man.) The problem was that she had been indoctrinated with the Catholic dogma her entire life, and was never encouraged to remove the Catholic spectacles and to sincerely read the Bible in a true sense.
So, I again disagree with you. Catholics actually bow down before, kneel down before, kiss, venerate, pray to, worship, put garlands on, say novena's to ....etc the statue of Mary.
Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Exodus 20:4
A graven image is nothing but an idol made in the shape of a heavenly being(in the heaven above), a human man or a woman(in the earth beneath), a fish or reptile, etc(in the water).
God is the same, and his commandments are the same.
My grandmother would often tell me to fix my eyes on the statue of Mary placed on the alter while I said the Hail Mary. A large statue of Mary occupied the central position on the altar. Statues of "infant Jesus" and saints were placed around her. A flickering electric bulb in the shape of a cross was placed in the centre front of the altar, with candle stands besides the cross bulb.
As I grew up and began to read the story bible, I began to take interest in the things of God. I often felt that my grandmother had no basis for forcing me to look at the Statue of Mary while praying. Therefore I once asked her, "Grandma, why do you force me to look at the statue and pray, as if Mary is actually present inside the statue? She said, " Yes, off course! Mary IS present inside the statue
! Please don't say these things again!"My grandmother was wrong! This is just one of such instances. I can quote many!
I ignored it, as my grandmother had never been to school. But I later learned that schooling has nothing to do with it. (Peter was an unschooled ordinary man.) The problem was that she had been indoctrinated with the Catholic dogma her entire life, and was never encouraged to remove the Catholic spectacles and to sincerely read the Bible in a true sense.
So, I again disagree with you. Catholics actually bow down before, kneel down before, kiss, venerate, pray to, worship, put garlands on, say novena's to ....etc the statue of Mary.
Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Exodus 20:4
A graven image is nothing but an idol made in the shape of a heavenly being(in the heaven above), a human man or a woman(in the earth beneath), a fish or reptile, etc(in the water).
God is the same, and his commandments are the same.
However, your story did make me wonder if maybe the practice of saying the rosary every evening didn't help you in discovering God later on in life.
Any exposure to God must be good. (if it is simple and pure).
The teaching of purgatory is not a heresy.
It's a doctrine of the Catholic Church. It may be wrong, but it's not a heresy.
It can be gleaned from the bible.
Indulgences are bad. very bad. Let's see what a heresy is:
Definition of heresy
plural heresies
1
a : adherence to a religious opinion contrary to church dogma (see dogma 2) They were accused of heresy.
b : denial of a revealed truth by a baptized member of the Roman Catholic Church
c : an opinion or doctrine contrary to church dogma
2
a : dissent or deviation from a dominant theory, opinion, or practice To disagree with the party leadership was heresy.
b : an opinion, doctrine, or practice contrary to the truth or to generally accepted beliefs or standards
our democratic heresy which holds that … truth is to be found by majority vote — M. W. Straight
According to this description, I'd have to say that indulgences do go outside the accepted practices of Christianity.
It's a doctrine of the Catholic Church. It may be wrong, but it's not a heresy.
It can be gleaned from the bible.
Indulgences are bad. very bad. Let's see what a heresy is:
Definition of heresy
plural heresies
1
a : adherence to a religious opinion contrary to church dogma (see dogma 2) They were accused of heresy.
b : denial of a revealed truth by a baptized member of the Roman Catholic Church
c : an opinion or doctrine contrary to church dogma
2
a : dissent or deviation from a dominant theory, opinion, or practice To disagree with the party leadership was heresy.
b : an opinion, doctrine, or practice contrary to the truth or to generally accepted beliefs or standards
our democratic heresy which holds that … truth is to be found by majority vote — M. W. Straight
According to this description, I'd have to say that indulgences do go outside the accepted practices of Christianity.
No Onlinebuddy.
Mary is not to be worshipped.
This is the official Church teaching.
If members of the Church do not understand this, it's not the fault of the Church.
I DO AGREE that there is not enough teaching in the Catholic Church.
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971 "All generations will call me blessed": "The Church's devotion to the Blessed Virgin is intrinsic to Christian worship." The Church rightly honors "the Blessed Virgin with special devotion. From the most ancient times the Blessed Virgin has been honored with the title of 'Mother of God,' to whose protection the faithful fly in all their dangers and needs. . . . This very special devotion . . . differs essentially from the adoration which is given to the incarnate Word and equally to the Father and the Holy Spirit, and greatly fosters this adoration." The liturgical feasts dedicated to the Mother of God and Marian prayer, such as the rosary, an "epitome of the whole Gospel," express this devotion to the Virgin Mary.
970 "Mary's function as mother of men in no way obscures or diminishes this unique mediation of Christ, but rather shows its power. But the Blessed Virgin's salutary influence on men . . . flows forth from the superabundance of the merits of Christ, rests on his mediation, depends entirely on it, and draws all its power from it." "No creature could ever be counted along with the Incarnate Word and Redeemer; but just as the priesthood of Christ is shared in various ways both by his ministers and the faithful, and as the one goodness of God is radiated in different ways among his creatures, so also the unique mediation of the Redeemer does not exclude but rather gives rise to a manifold cooperation which is but a sharing in this one source."
Mary is not to be worshipped.
This is the official Church teaching.
If members of the Church do not understand this, it's not the fault of the Church.
I DO AGREE that there is not enough teaching in the Catholic Church.
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971 "All generations will call me blessed": "The Church's devotion to the Blessed Virgin is intrinsic to Christian worship." The Church rightly honors "the Blessed Virgin with special devotion. From the most ancient times the Blessed Virgin has been honored with the title of 'Mother of God,' to whose protection the faithful fly in all their dangers and needs. . . . This very special devotion . . . differs essentially from the adoration which is given to the incarnate Word and equally to the Father and the Holy Spirit, and greatly fosters this adoration." The liturgical feasts dedicated to the Mother of God and Marian prayer, such as the rosary, an "epitome of the whole Gospel," express this devotion to the Virgin Mary.
970 "Mary's function as mother of men in no way obscures or diminishes this unique mediation of Christ, but rather shows its power. But the Blessed Virgin's salutary influence on men . . . flows forth from the superabundance of the merits of Christ, rests on his mediation, depends entirely on it, and draws all its power from it." "No creature could ever be counted along with the Incarnate Word and Redeemer; but just as the priesthood of Christ is shared in various ways both by his ministers and the faithful, and as the one goodness of God is radiated in different ways among his creatures, so also the unique mediation of the Redeemer does not exclude but rather gives rise to a manifold cooperation which is but a sharing in this one source."
Real cute. Use a catholic definition to define a catholic heresy.
Purgatory is heretical and completely false teaching. Indulgences are what finally drove Martin Luther to leave the catholic religion. Purgatory is not in the bible and when you read the apocrypha you will see that it is based on buying forgiveness of sin for the dead by giving money to the church.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Purgatory is heretical and completely false teaching. Indulgences are what finally drove Martin Luther to leave the catholic religion. Purgatory is not in the bible and when you read the apocrypha you will see that it is based on buying forgiveness of sin for the dead by giving money to the church.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
by this definition, heresy or not is not a problem. You Said catholic good because she Clear heresis.
to me clean heresy may bad.
clean unbiblical doctrine is good.
catholic may clean heresy, but she is unbiblical and to me her teaching is not a Christian teaching
she clean heresy, by killing that is mean she clean heresy by doing heresy itself.
to me clean heresy may bad.
clean unbiblical doctrine is good.
catholic may clean heresy, but she is unbiblical and to me her teaching is not a Christian teaching
she clean heresy, by killing that is mean she clean heresy by doing heresy itself.