The Rapture
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Be prepared to go through Great Tribulation.... remember to love not your life... fear not those that can kill the body....Put GOD above all things. The evil of this world have some great twists of the truth to entrap... but hold fast to the Testimony of the Good Shepherd and walk through the valleys of death and fear no evil... peace be with you all.
Talk about the pot calling the kettle "black." Nobody allegorizes more than the pre-tribber.
Christ says that He returns immediately after the tribulation, you change it to before.
You add 2,000 year gaps all over the place.
You attribute works of Christ to works of the antichrist.
You take a phrase that says Christ's lives and reigns for 1,000 years and in essence say that Christ hasn't begun to live or reign yet implying that He's still dead.
You take a passage where those in Judea are told to flee and apply it to the whole planet.
You steal the comforts and blessed hope given to Timothy and the Thessalonians and take them for yourselves.
You take the promise of a quick return and make it the longest return in history.
You create classes of Christians based on works. Those who earned the rapture and those to be left behind and slaughtered.
To make matters worse, you take meanings that are clearly spiritual like the Kingdom and Temple and make them physical. Perhaps the most troubling thing is you throw away God's salvation sacrifice of His Son who shed His blood and died for us so that we could be atoned for our sins and have salvation when we die and you re-institute animal sacrifices as the way for future atonement. You find that Christ would have no problems reigning from the building where animal sacrifices were occurring.
I can think of little that's more repulsive, sickening and extra-Biblical than the pre-Trib doctrine. Sorry if that offends as it's aimed at the doctrine, not my brothers who fell for this nonsense.
Please refer to my posting number 2588.
Jesus referred to his body as a Temple
He told the religious leaders that he would leave their house desolate
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1st thing: Jesus referred to mount of transfiguration & acts 2
2nd thing: Good point honestly about the horses and swords.
You can't do an abomination of desolation inside a human. Especially if that human is the temple of God meaning he/she has the HOLY GHOST!
So are you admitting that Matthew 16:28 - Jesus coming in his kingdom happened at Pentecost?
Matthew 16:28 KJV
Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
Food for thought: Only two people in the Old Testament never died, Enoch and Elijah.
The Two Witnesses do die at the hands of the Beast.
The Word of GOD tells us that the only exception to the following verse, are those still alive when He resurrects the Dead in Messiah, Jesus Christ:
Hebrews 9:27 (KJV)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
Understanding that GOD MUST BE TRUE TO HIS WORD, it is obvious that the Two Witnesses are Enoch and Elijah.
You realize that the kingdom Jesus is talking about in verse 28 is the same kingdom as verse 27.
Matthew 16:27 KJVFor the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
That is erchomai, not parousia.
This is why people become preterists. He means here AD70.
Good then you will never see it (the millennium) when it gets here....HOWEVER....... Satan awaits patiently and the fiery Lake of Fire knows no indifference to whom may gather within its bosom!