Catholic believe pope is infallible

[FranC]

but they bow Down before mary statue. And pray to mary, where in the Bible teach pray to mary and pray infront of mary statue, where in the Bible teach purgatory

Catholics do not bow down to Mary or any other saint.

Statues are used because humans need something to see with their eyes to make things more real.

The statues are used to help people to concentrate.

Also, if you notice, if you go into a normal Church (not a cathedral or antique Church) you really will not find statues anymore as was done in the past.

 

[FranC]

you not answewred my question

what part of Bible teach pray to mary and bow infront of mary statue?

Mary SHOULD BE honored.
She was the mother of our Lord and Savior.
She witnessed His brutal Killing at the cross.
Can anyone here imagine seeing their son hanging on a cross like that?
And to save Others?

Jesus respected His mother. He obeyed ALL of God's commandments.
John 2, the Miracle at Cana. Although it was "not His time", He obeyed His mother and changed the water to wine.

At the foot of the cross He told John that Mary was to be His mother, and V V. Did Jesus just leave Mary in the hands of John, or could He have meant that she was to be honored among the Apostles? How could we know for sure???

And, please read:
Luke 1:46-55
Luke 1:48
Luke 1:49
Luke 1:52

Mary is blessed for all generations.

 

[Jackson123]

This is correct.
It is not taught that Mary should be worshipped.
ONLY GOD is worshipped.

Some Catholics do not know their faith.
It's unfortunate that adults do not have more teaching.

They also are not supposed to pray to saints.

Any prayer is for intercession since the believe in the communion of saints.

IOW, the dead are in "communion" --- NOT CONTACT --- with the living. It's one big family.
So, maybe they could intercede, but they're not supposed to be praying TO them.

can you show the official teaching of catholic that mary is not queen of heaven, ban oN pray to mary, official statement that catholic do not believe in purgatory.

 

[FranC]

No, that is not true. Their traditions of men are elevated above the revealed written Word of God and this is why Protestantism exists in the first place, because Roman Catholic heresies are wicked and intolerable. There is nothing in the Bible to say that Mary is a intercessor, some of their beliefs fly in the face of Scripture and are straight from the devil being anti Christal.

Do you hate everybody and have such harsh words for everyone?

Oh. Right. Not everyone.
Just those who don't agree with you.

You should learn about the love of God.
It would do you good....

 

[Jackson123]

Mary SHOULD BE honored.
She was the mother of our Lord and Savior.
She witnessed His brutal Killing at the cross.
Can anyone here imagine seeing their son hanging on a cross like that?
And to save Others?

Jesus respected His mother. He obeyed ALL of God's commandments.
John 2, the Miracle at Cana. Although it was "not His time", He obeyed His mother and changed the water to wine.

At the foot of the cross He told John that Mary was to be His mother, and V V. Did Jesus just leave Mary in the hands of John, or could He have meant that she was to be honored among the Apostles? How could we know for sure???

And, please read:
Luke 1:46-55
Luke 1:48
Luke 1:49
Luke 1:52

Mary is blessed for all generations.

you do not pray to mary don't you, but do you ask mary to pray for you?

 

[Jackson123]

Catholics do not bow down to Mary or any other saint.

Statues are used because humans need something to see with their eyes to make things more real.

The statues are used to help people to concentrate.

Also, if you notice, if you go into a normal Church (not a cathedral or antique Church) you really will not find statues anymore as was done in the past.

This link show a pope bow Down before mary statue

11 PHOTOS: PRAYING And BOWING Down Before The Graven Image Of MARY Is A SIN! - Religion - Nigeria

 

[Jackson123]

I like to call him Professor Google.
He can be a bit Dangerous at times!!
I don't use Professor Google. I like to go straight to the source.

For instance, for the RC faith, the Catechism of the Catholi Church is the official teaching. Trouble is that the Church is making changes and sometimes the book doesn't keep up with what's happening.

The lastest writing of the Pope as Ex Cathedra is Amoris Letitia. It has caused quite a stir, hasn't it?

The RCC does NOT believe that only Catholics are saved --- you're right about that.

When it declared that only Catholics were saved it was because the RCC was the ONLY Church back then.

OF COURSE only those in the Church would be saved ! Those outside of the Church were lost, pretty much as today. Although one could not go to Church (I wish my typewriter wouldn't capitalize every "Church" word since it means something different!)
and still be saved. But if one is outside of the Church in the sense that he is an enemy of the Church, or an atheist, of course he'd be without God and lost.

I think I've seen James White in debates, not sure. I do respect him if he goes to the souce.
I really dislike hearsay.

Catholics also believe many strange thing about Protestants.

P.S. As you must know, the magesterium is made up of the Pope and the Bishops.

now catholic teach muslim and jews do not need to Convert to Christian in order to save

i quote from time

The Vatican's Commission for Religious Relations with Jews released a document outlining developments in the church's stance towards Judaism, including that Jews do not need to be converted to Catholicism to find salvation since God did not revoke his covenant with Israel.

 

[FranC]

looks like you got some bad information. my family is Catholic and they dont do what your accusing.

do you not understand the difference between laws of man (doctrines) and laws of the Most High? Jesus taught we would know false prophets by their fruits. i see Catholics out helping the sick, feeding the poor and many other good works. thats good fruit IMO. spending your time tearing down others just to make yourself look better is bad fruit.

The Catholic Church happens to be the biggest contributor to the poor in the world, also health-wise.
I'm sure this could be confimed by Professor Google.

 

[FranC]

wrong is wrong WHO ever do It, need correction,
kill is wrong need correction
pray to mary is wrong not inline with Bible, need correction.

purgatory is wrong,not inline with the Bible, need correction

The Catholic Church DOES BELIEVE that purgatory is scriptural.

Do you think they pulled it out of thin air?

1 Corinthians 3:13-15
Mathew 18:34-35

You or I may not agree with the conclusion, but it does come from the bible.

 

[Grace777x70]

The Catholic Religion is an anti-Christ religion and it is a works-based false religion that replaces Christ Himself in many ways.

There are however true Christians within that denomination just like in all denominations.

 

[FranC]

How odd for any Roman Catholic (or anyone else for that matter) to claim that Catholics do not pray to Mary when they are told to pray the Hail Mary on a regular basis as if that will help absolve them of their sins. The ex cathedra dogmas concern Mary and not Jesus. Catholics are mandated to accept as true the completely un-Biblical beliefs that Mary was immaculately conceived, and that she did not die and was assumed bodily to heaven. Neither of these heresies has any basis whatsoever in Scripture. They are complete fabrications from the fanatical minds of heretical idolaters known as popes, who then pretend these beliefs are true and force them on the unsuspecting Roman Catholic follower. They encourage the unsuspecting Roman Catholic to pray to Mary for intercession despite the fact that Scripture plainly states that Jesus Christ is the only intercessor between God and man.

Say the Hail Mary...

It's an intercessory prayer.

 

[FranC]

The main problem in the catholic church is the mixing of church and state.
The church ran whole countries.

How do you unpick such authority over everyones lives from being in the Kingdom
and being outside.

The idea that certain concepts cannot be questioned or challenged, worked through
is the problem.

If you take the concept of an office or role makes someone holy or inspired or divine,
then one loses ones way. In catholicism, transubstantiation and mass become a different
thing than Jesus intended. It is the emotional symbolism, not the physical reality that
matters.

In Israel they turned the bronze snake into an idol, and it had to be destroyed.
So much in life is about not the rank or adulation people get, but the significance of how
they live. Once it becomes just ceremonies and superstition it has lost its meaning.

So the pope is the representative of the historical roman church, and summarises their
compromises and inspiration. But no matter how "nice" it may appear, venerating Mary
and her appearances just makes me stop, and wonder at the insanity of feeding superstition
to the place of significance. Any leader who does this must have lost the plot.

The Catholic Church teaches that EVERY dogma or doctrine MUST be accpeted by the believer.
If you don't, you must pray for understanding.
They don't say you become lost --- but almost.
You have to keep praying about it.
Doubt ................OK
Obstinate Doubt...Not OK

Much damage was done by the Church here in Europe.
Many hate the Church because of the control it had over people.

It IS very difficult to go from being a secular power to being ONLY a spiritual power.
The Church here is undergoing a lot of change an some confusion.

For the better, I would say.

 

[FranC]

With the Roman Catholic Church,and Scientology,and Christian Science,and the new age movement with their occult interpretation of the Bible,that can be so off base concerning the Bible,gives testimony that many people want to hear things the way they want to hear things,for they plainly ignore scriptures that are self explanatory,or make them out to be something different,and the Catholic Church involves too much the working of people in the process of salvation,like the Pope,and Mary,and the priest,and too much rituals in the process of salvation.

People hear things the way the want to hear things,and it is like 2+2=4,that is simple,easy to understand,but people are arguing it means 3,or 5,or 6,or some other number.

How come people do not have so many different interpretations when it comes to the Quran,or Buddhism,or Hinduism,or any other religion,for sure there can be a few different interpretations of other religions,but not like the Bible.

The Bible is the most misinterpreted book in the history of mankind,for so many people believe it,other religions believe it,even Muslims,but think some is the work of man,some believe it has partial truth,so many people believe it even if they do not believe all of it,even occultists believe it,and with all those people of the world,and their beliefs,they are dragging them in to the Bible,and interpretating them like that.

The Roman Catholic Church did not get rid of the pagan ways of the Roman Empire,and dragged them in to the Bible,and it became their foundation for the interpretation of scriptures.

Many different beliefs of people that are not part of the Bible they drag in to the Bible,and it becomes their foundation for interpretating scriptures,so they are blind by that belief that is not part of the Bible,from correctly seeing the truth of the Bible,and sometimes write a book and say it is inspired by God to further put forth their belief mingled with the Bible,like the Mormon Church and Jesus coming to America.

I'd say the RCC was pure UNTIL its acceptance as the religion of the Roman Empire.
In fact we have a lot to thank them for... keeping out heresies would be one thing. Spreading the gospel would be another.
Creating the theology would be another... Understanding WHO Jesus was, another. ...

 

[graceNpeace]

I'd say the RCC was pure UNTIL its acceptance as the religion of the Roman Empire.
In fact we have a lot to thank them for... keeping out heresies would be one thing. Spreading the gospel would be another.
Creating the theology would be another... Understanding WHO Jesus was, another. ...

Fran, your Church history is dodgy!

The RCC did not exist until the 11th century and after.
Church gained acceptance as the official religion of the Roman empire courtesy of Emperor Constantine in the 4th century!

 

[FranC]

can you show the official teaching of catholic that mary is not queen of heaven, ban oN pray to mary, official statement that catholic do not believe in purgatory.

Mary IS known as the Queen of Heaven.
Catholics DO believe in purgatory.

I never said this wasn't true.

There is no BAN on praying to Mary.
One could pray to whom he wishes.... but the RCC does not encourage this.

 

[FranC]

you do not pray to mary don't you, but do you ask mary to pray for you?

I'm not Catholic.
I thank Mary for bearing our Savior, Jesus.
Do you realize that Joseph could have had her killed by lapidation?

I don't ask anyone to pray for me. I pray to our Lord.

IF some Christian wants to do this, it's his business.

The only thing I have against it is that it tends to take attention away from Jesus.
Other than that, I see no harm. Most persons who pray to Mary also pray to Jesus and love Him.

 

[FranC]

This link show a pope bow Down before mary statue

11 PHOTOS: PRAYING And BOWING Down Before The Graven Image Of MARY Is A SIN! - Religion - Nigeria

It's NOT A GRAVEN IMAGE.

They aren't praying TO THE STATUE.

It's a representation of someone to help with the prayer.

We really should learn to understand each other...

 

[FranC]

now catholic teach muslim and jews do not need to Convert to Christian in order to save

i quote from time

The Vatican's Commission for Religious Relations with Jews released a document outlining developments in the church's stance towards Judaism, including that Jews do not need to be converted to Catholicism to find salvation since God did not revoke his covenant with Israel.

This is interesting.

I don't know enough about it to speak to it.
Sorry.

 

[dcontroversal]

Catholics do not bow down to Mary or any other saint.

Statues are used because humans need something to see with their eyes to make things more real.

The statues are used to help people to concentrate.

Also, if you notice, if you go into a normal Church (not a cathedral or antique Church) you really will not find statues anymore as was done in the past.

You seem to defend Catholics a lot......and some of their dogma.....do you still hold to Catholic dogma??

 

[dcontroversal]

I'm not Catholic.
I thank Mary for bearing our Savior, Jesus.
Do you realize that Joseph could have had her killed by lapidation?

I don't ask anyone to pray for me. I pray to our Lord.

IF some Christian wants to do this, it's his business.

The only thing I have against it is that it tends to take attention away from Jesus.
Other than that, I see no harm. Most persons who pray to Mary also pray to Jesus and love Him.

Do you read the scriptures?

You thank MARY you say....interesting and JOSEPH never said anything about killing her, but rather putting her away privately......lets just all add to the scriptures our own views and have a bible made up............WOW...!