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Romans 9:8 KJV
That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
You said: "I BELIEVE GOD WHEN HE SAYS HIS COVENANT WITH ISRAEL AND HIS DESCENTDENTS IS AN EVERLASTING COVENANT."
Romans 9:8 says Israel and his descendents ARE NOT the children of God. If the flesh descendants are not the children of God then HOW are they part of God's everlasting covenant?
That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
You said: "I BELIEVE GOD WHEN HE SAYS HIS COVENANT WITH ISRAEL AND HIS DESCENTDENTS IS AN EVERLASTING COVENANT."
Romans 9:8 says Israel and his descendents ARE NOT the children of God. If the flesh descendants are not the children of God then HOW are they part of God's everlasting covenant?
We have to test everything KJ.
The Biblical Standard for the week being 7 years is the prophet Ezekiel lying on his side, 390 days for Israel, 40 days for Judah, for missed Sabbaths. A day represents a year.
The Hebrew scholars also agree, as sheva is written in the masculine here.
Re The Fig Tree.
It is always assumed that it is Israel, but it could equally be Jerusalem. I prefer the latter, as it denotes the entire legal system under the Levites.
The Biblical Standard for the week being 7 years is the prophet Ezekiel lying on his side, 390 days for Israel, 40 days for Judah, for missed Sabbaths. A day represents a year.
The Hebrew scholars also agree, as sheva is written in the masculine here.
Re The Fig Tree.
It is always assumed that it is Israel, but it could equally be Jerusalem. I prefer the latter, as it denotes the entire legal system under the Levites.
Gentile Christians inherit the blessing promised to Israel but do not take the place of Israel.
The church receives the blessing of the promises of God, promises made to Israel. Israel will one day receive the blessing of the promises when the Lord returns.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
For the cause of Christ
Roger
The church receives the blessing of the promises of God, promises made to Israel. Israel will one day receive the blessing of the promises when the Lord returns.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Well I don't believe in replacement theology, I believe in inclusive theology, which teaches that not all Israel are Israel (Romans 9.6) and that converted Gentiles become Israel. 'Upon this rock I will build my congregation' (ekklesia).
Those who believe in the Messiah are true Israel, whether Jew or Gentile.. And Romans 9-11 fits this perfectly.
Those who believe in the Messiah are true Israel, whether Jew or Gentile.. And Romans 9-11 fits this perfectly.
AHW,
There is no concrete teaching of a millennial earthly reign of Christ, especially in a man-made temple in Jerusalem. You have one passage from the highly spiritual and figurative book of Revelation that suggests Christ lives and reigns with beheaded Saints. This passage does not tell us from where they reign. Is Christ now dead? I would swear My Christ lives and reigns now. The earth is His footstool, not His throne.
Further Dan 7 makes clear that the "Ancient of Old" (God) gives the Son of Man a kingdom that will never end. You have it ending after 1,000 years.
13 “I was watching in the night visions, And behold, One like the Son of Man, Coming with the clouds of heaven! He came to the Ancient of Days, And they brought Him near before Him. 14 Then to Him was given dominion and glory and a kingdom, That all peoples, nations, and languages should serve Him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion, Which shall not pass away, And His kingdom the one Which shall not be destroyed.
How do you reconcile this apparent conflict?
Every eye did see Him return as Rev 18 states:
After these things I saw another angel coming down from heaven, having great authority, and the earth was illuminated with his glory.
Josephus records this as well.
and at the ninth hour of the night, so great a light shone round the altar and the holy house, that it appeared to be bright day time; which lasted for half an hour.
That is NOT what the text says, please read it again!!
This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven.”He comes in the same way He went into Heaven, not in the same way He left earth. I believe when He arrived at Heaven He returned to His glory state.
There is no concrete teaching of a millennial earthly reign of Christ, especially in a man-made temple in Jerusalem. You have one passage from the highly spiritual and figurative book of Revelation that suggests Christ lives and reigns with beheaded Saints. This passage does not tell us from where they reign. Is Christ now dead? I would swear My Christ lives and reigns now. The earth is His footstool, not His throne.
Further Dan 7 makes clear that the "Ancient of Old" (God) gives the Son of Man a kingdom that will never end. You have it ending after 1,000 years.
13 “I was watching in the night visions, And behold, One like the Son of Man, Coming with the clouds of heaven! He came to the Ancient of Days, And they brought Him near before Him. 14 Then to Him was given dominion and glory and a kingdom, That all peoples, nations, and languages should serve Him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion, Which shall not pass away, And His kingdom the one Which shall not be destroyed.
How do you reconcile this apparent conflict?
Every eye did see Him return as Rev 18 states:
After these things I saw another angel coming down from heaven, having great authority, and the earth was illuminated with his glory.
Josephus records this as well.
and at the ninth hour of the night, so great a light shone round the altar and the holy house, that it appeared to be bright day time; which lasted for half an hour.
That is NOT what the text says, please read it again!!
This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven.”He comes in the same way He went into Heaven, not in the same way He left earth. I believe when He arrived at Heaven He returned to His glory state.
Israel is a people, and non-Israelites were free to join. That is why Abraham's household of 318 men were part of Israel, and the mass of Egyptians who came out of Egypt with the Israelites were also joined to Israel.
Israel, whose rite of entry was circumcision, was founded under Abraham, not Moses.
So anyone who is circumcised in the Spirit, (baptized into Christ), is now a member of Israel.
How God deals with blood Israel is another matter. Technically, I think he has already dealt with them, in AD70.
I suspect that eventually there will be a showdown between Judaism, prophets of Baal, and Chrisitanity, Elijah remnant. It will involve a Temple in Jerusalem.
I actually think the temple will be good for those in Judaism, because they will realize it is totally crackers, and might well prefer the idea of Christianity. It might be the catalyst for ditching BC, and embracing AD.
Israel, whose rite of entry was circumcision, was founded under Abraham, not Moses.
So anyone who is circumcised in the Spirit, (baptized into Christ), is now a member of Israel.
How God deals with blood Israel is another matter. Technically, I think he has already dealt with them, in AD70.
I suspect that eventually there will be a showdown between Judaism, prophets of Baal, and Chrisitanity, Elijah remnant. It will involve a Temple in Jerusalem.
I actually think the temple will be good for those in Judaism, because they will realize it is totally crackers, and might well prefer the idea of Christianity. It might be the catalyst for ditching BC, and embracing AD.
I've already provided the scripture which demonstrates a millennial kingdom regarding Nebuchadnezzar's statue, which represents all human government, with that last day ten-toed kingdom made partly of iron and partly baked clay. The Rock falls on the feet of the statue smashes it to pieces without leaving a trace (end of human government) and the Rock becomes a huge mountain and fills the whole earth, which is referring to Christ's kingdom on earth.
The book of Revelation is a literal book with symbolism contained within it. It should always be read in the literal sense until a symbolic interpretation is obvious. Also, John first sees the great tribulation saints who were beheaded during the last 3 1/2 years. Then in the next verse, he sees them come to life (resurrect) and it is stated that they will literally rule with Christ during the thousand years.
Yes, the Lord is currently in heaven at the right hand of the Father. However, after the wrath of God has been completed and according to Matt.24:30-31 and Rev.19:11-21, Christ will return to the earth to end the age, and the church will be following him riding on white horses. At that time he will have the beast and the false prophet thrown alive into the lake of fire, the kings of the world who will have been gathered, their generals and their armies, will all be killed by the double-edge sword that proceeds from the mouth of the Lord, which is figurative for the word of God. Then, those birds that the angel will have gathered together in Rev.19:17 will gorge themselves on their flesh. In addition, an angel will seize Satan and thrown him into the Abyss during that same thousand years that Christ will be reigning.
And it won't end, but a new earth will be created after the thousand years and after the great white throne judgment:
"Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,”[SUP]a[/SUP] for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea." - Rev.21:1
When Jesus resurrected, it was in the same body that he was crucified in, the same body that he resurrected in, although glorified, the same body that he ascended in and the same body that he will be returning to the earth in.
The refusal to accept the millennium kingdom sounds very gnostic to me. It has that tone of all flesh is evil and all spiritual is good, which is exactly what the gnostics were about. They also rejected the plain interpretation and allegorized away everything "fleshly" they didn't like.
The truth is Jesus was already on this earth in His resurrection body, appearing to the disciples. And He will be here again.
The truth is Jesus was already on this earth in His resurrection body, appearing to the disciples. And He will be here again.
I don't know what Matthew 21:19 is about, but I do know that it doesn't contradict Matthew 21:19 nor does Romans 11. Romans 11 I do understand and it DOES NOT contradict Matthew 21:19.
Romans 11 is about ALL ISRAEL being saved. Israel 1 is saved Jews and Israel 2 is saved gentiles. Saved gentiles are spritual Israel just like saved Jews are spiritual Israel... do you not agree with this?
Romans 11 is about ALL ISRAEL being saved. Israel 1 is saved Jews and Israel 2 is saved gentiles. Saved gentiles are spritual Israel just like saved Jews are spiritual Israel... do you not agree with this?
Isaac and ALL flesh descendants of Abraham and Israel are FLESH DESCENDANTS and SPIRITUAL DESCENDANTS of Abraham and Israel... Why was Isaac one of God's chosen people, was it because he was a FLESH descandant or was it because he was a SPIRITUAL descendant of Abraham?
Remember, the bible says that the children of the flesh ARE NOT God's children.
Romans 9:8 KJV
That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
Remember, the bible says that the children of the flesh ARE NOT God's children.
Romans 9:8 KJV
That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
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