The Rapture

[KJV1611]

God does not make people change their minds. If he did, we would all believe the same (correct) things.

1 Cor 1:10) Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.

1 Tim 2:
4) Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.


They can make and confirm an appointment in the same call.


Yep, that happens too.

So whenever you read the word "confirmed" you always iinterpret that to mean make the agreement and confirm the agreement at the same time... that's kind of strange to me. Can you confirm whether my statement is true or not?

 

[J7]

When did Jesus eat with Abraham?

Genesis 18

 

[KJV1611]

Genesis 18

Do you really think that's the confirmation in Galatians?

 

[MattforJesus]

Some people believe that all prophesy happened at 70 A.D.,and that the millennial reign is symbolic,but this is not true.

Jerusalem was overthrown in 70 A.D.,because they rejected Christ,so God allowed the Roman Empire to scatter the Jews in to the nations as punishment,until they borne their shame,and then bring them back to their land out of the nations,and bring Israel as a nation to the truth that Jesus is their Messiah.

God said He is going to gather all nations together against Jerusalem,the whole earth shall be gathered against Jerusalem,and whoever burdens themselves with Jerusalem shall be cut in pieces,and the 4th kingdom shall devour the whole earth,tread it down,and break it in pieces,and the beast kingdom has power over all nations,kindreds,and tongues.

Matthew 24,the only place it speaks of the Roman Empire overthrowing Jerusalem is when the disciples said to Jesus,look at all these lovely buildings,and He said they are coming down.

And then they asked Jesus about the sign of His coming,and the end of the world,which Jesus describes the end time,which is now.

The saints shall be able to know of earthquakes,and famines,and pestilences,that happen on different parts of the earth,and know of nation against nation,and kingdom against kingdom,which they could only know that with advanced technology where the saints can see what is going on in the world by way of technology,like today,which we know of WW1,and WW2,and the problems that are going on in the whole world.

The saints shall be hated of all nations,and the Gospel preached in the whole world,as a witness to all nations,then the end shall come.

There will be miracles,and great wonders,that would deceive the elect if it were possible,but it is not possible,which the new age movement unified the religions,with an interpretation of the Bible,Islam,and Judaism,to fit that format,and the man of sin will be from the new age movement,that believes in no God,of the occult,nature worship,witchcraft,spiritual evolution,and regards no God,but honors the God of forces,the force of nature as their higher power.

God warned us of the new age movement that would occur at the latter times,the last days of the last days.

All who do not love God will follow the man of sin,and believe the miracles that the false prophet does to prove to the world that the man of sin did harness the power of nature,and gave this power to the false prophet.

The world will persecute all people that keep the commandments of God,and hold the testimony of Jesus Christ for three and one half years,and the saints that remain shall be gathered unto Christ,and then the world will attack Jersualem,the Jews,because God turned them to the truth that Jesus is their Messiah.

God will come back with all His saints,and save Israel,and defeat the world.

The first attack on Jerusalem by the Roman Empire,was because they rejected Christ.

The second attack on Jerusalem by the beast,and the world,is because they accepted Christ.

There is an attack in the future towards Jerusalem,and the Jews,but some people try to lump it altogether as the same attack in 70 A.D.,but there is way more prophesy concerning the second attack than the first attack.

After that great tribulation then Jesus comes back,which is in the future.

And the millennial reign of Christ has not happened yet,and will be on this earth,for the Bible describes it as the LORD being King over all the earth,and there shall be one LORD,and His name one,and the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD,and the people that God spared at the battle of Armageddon have to go up year after year,and worship the LORD at Jerusalem,and keep the feast of tabernacles,and there will be peace on earth for 1000 years,for Satan is bound and put in the bottomless pit,and does not deceive the nations during that time,and there will be no wars,and people will not fight with people,and people and animals will get along,and those in the flesh will not eat animals,and animals will not fight with animals,and not eat animals,and will be so tame that a child can lead a crocodile in one hand,and a lion in the other,and those animals will have no desire to hurt the child.

Satan will be loosed from the bottomless pit,and deceive those in the flesh,and they will go against the saints,and God will rain fire on them and devour them,for they still have punishment coming,but God postponed it until the 1000 years were over,so Jesus and the saints could rule over them,for God had the promise to restore the kingdom on earth back to the Jews,and Jesus had to fulfill the perfect King role on earth,for the law to be fulfilled,so the millennial reign is on earth.

Also if it is spiritual why is it for only a thousand years,when Jesus has been ruling ever since He ascended to heaven,and also He rules with an iron rod,but there has not been a time of peace on earth,but wars,and people at odds with people,and at odds with animals,and animals at odds with animals,and the LORD has not been King over all the earth,and all the world only recognized Him,for the earth will be full of the knowledge of the LORD.

All prophesy has not been fulfilled in 70 A.D.,and Jesus did not come back,and the millennial reign has not started,for if Jesus told the disciples of the sign of His coming,and the end of the world,which if it was all fulfilled in 70 A.D.,all the saints would be in the New Jerusalem,and the former earth would have passed away,and not be remembered,or come to mind,and we would of not been born.

 

[KJV1611]

Some people believe that all prophesy happened at 70 A.D.,and that the millennial reign is symbolic,but this is not true.

Jerusalem was overthrown in 70 A.D.,because they rejected Christ,so God allowed the Roman Empire to scatter the Jews in to the nations as punishment,until they borne their shame,and then bring them back to their land out of the nations,and bring Israel as a nation to the truth that Jesus is their Messiah.

Where does the bible say the bolded part above?

 

[KJV1611]

How do dispensationalists view the verse below? Israel is the fig tree and no fruit is going to grow on it forever. If Israel is going to come to Jesus en masse during the tribulation, doesn't that mean fruit is growing on her again?

Matthew 21:19 KJV
And when he saw a fig tree in the way, he came to it, and found nothing thereon, but leaves only, and said unto it, Let no fruit grow on thee henceforward for ever. And presently the fig tree withered away.

 

[Muzungu256]

KJV1611 believes Dan 9:27 is speaking of Jesus Christ, not me. I believe it is speaking of the antichrist.

As far as 3 1/2 years in:

Dan 9:
27) And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

The middle of a "week" of seven years is 3 1/2 years.

it says sacrifice and oblation to cease not covenant?

 

[MattforJesus]

Where does the bible say the bolded part above?

God will restore the kingdom back to the Jews in the millennial reign of Christ.

Act 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
Act 1:7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
Act 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

The disciples asked Jesus if He was going to restore the kingdom on earth to the Jews,and He said the Father will do it in His time,but go preach the Gospel.

Jer 46:27 But fear not thou, O my servant Jacob, and be not dismayed, O Israel: for, behold, I will save thee from afar off, and thy seed from the land of their captivity; and Jacob shall return, and be in rest and at ease, and none shall make him afraid.
Jer 46:28 Fear thou not, O Jacob my servant, saith the LORD: for I am with thee; for I will make a full end of all the nations whither I have driven thee: but I will not make a full end of thee, but correct thee in measure; yet will I not leave thee wholly unpunished.

God will make a full end of all operating Gentile governments,in the millennial reign of Christ,but not make a full end of Israel,but she will not be wholly unpunished,and Israel will be the only operating government in the millennial reign of Christ.

The world will attack Israel,and God will come back with all the saints,and save Israel,and defeat the world,and all who are left of the nations,one sixth of the world,Jesus and the saints will rule over them.

Jesus and the saints will rule over the heathen,and the kingdom on earth restored to Israel.

Israel is blinded in part,they acknowledge the Old Testament,but as a nation do not acknowledge Jesus,until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in,when salvation is no longer available to the Gentiles,when they follow the beast kingdom,and take the mark of the beast,and so all Israel shall be saved,and all Gentile governments cease,and God punishes the world for their sins,and iniquities against Him,and Israel is saved,and the kingdom restored to them.

God will make a full end of all Gentile nations,but will not make a full end of Israel,but she will not be wholly unpunished,so she will suffer through the years of being scattered from off her land by the Roman Empire,for rejecting Christ,and after they have borne their shame,then God will work with Israel,and bring them to the truth as a nation that Jesus is their Messiah,by way of 2 witnesses,and the kingdom will be restored to them.

Here is the scripture,which leading up to this scripture is the world going against Israel,the battle of Armageddon,and God defeating the world,and saving Israel.

Jesus and the saints will rule over the heathen,and the kingdom on earth restored to Israel,in the millennial reign of Christ.

Eze 39:21 And I will set my glory among the heathen, and all the heathen shall see my judgment that I have executed, and my hand that I have laid upon them.
Eze 39:22 So the house of Israel shall know that I am the LORD their God from that day and forward.
Eze 39:23 And the heathen shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity: because they trespassed against me, therefore hid I my face from them, and gave them into the hand of their enemies: so fell they all by the sword.
Eze 39:24 According to their uncleanness and according to their transgressions have I done unto them, and hid my face from them.
Eze 39:25 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my holy name;
Eze 39:26 After that they have borne their shame, and all their trespasses whereby they have trespassed against me, when they dwelt safely in their land, and none made them afraid.
Eze 39:27 When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations;
Eze 39:28 Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.
Eze 39:29 Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.

 

[Enow]

When did Jesus eat with Abraham?

Jesus said so.

John 8:[SUP]56 [/SUP]Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.[SUP] 57 [/SUP]Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?[SUP] 58 [/SUP]Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.[SUP]59 [/SUP]Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

Genesis 18th chapter; was when Jesus before His incarnation, had eaten with Abraham.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+18&version=KJV

 

[KJV1611]

God will restore the kingdom back to the Jews in the millennial reign of Christ.

Act 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
Act 1:7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
Act 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

The disciples asked Jesus if He was going to restore the kingdom on earth to the Jews,and He said the Father will do it in His time,but go preach the Gospel.

Jer 46:27 But fear not thou, O my servant Jacob, and be not dismayed, O Israel: for, behold, I will save thee from afar off, and thy seed from the land of their captivity; and Jacob shall return, and be in rest and at ease, and none shall make him afraid.
Jer 46:28 Fear thou not, O Jacob my servant, saith the LORD: for I am with thee; for I will make a full end of all the nations whither I have driven thee: but I will not make a full end of thee, but correct thee in measure; yet will I not leave thee wholly unpunished.

God will make a full end of all operating Gentile governments,in the millennial reign of Christ,but not make a full end of Israel,but she will not be wholly unpunished,and Israel will be the only operating government in the millennial reign of Christ.

The world will attack Israel,and God will come back with all the saints,and save Israel,and defeat the world,and all who are left of the nations,one sixth of the world,Jesus and the saints will rule over them.

Jesus and the saints will rule over the heathen,and the kingdom on earth restored to Israel.

Israel is blinded in part,they acknowledge the Old Testament,but as a nation do not acknowledge Jesus,until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in,when salvation is no longer available to the Gentiles,when they follow the beast kingdom,and take the mark of the beast,and so all Israel shall be saved,and all Gentile governments cease,and God punishes the world for their sins,and iniquities against Him,and Israel is saved,and the kingdom restored to them.

God will make a full end of all Gentile nations,but will not make a full end of Israel,but she will not be wholly unpunished,so she will suffer through the years of being scattered from off her land by the Roman Empire,for rejecting Christ,and after they have borne their shame,then God will work with Israel,and bring them to the truth as a nation that Jesus is their Messiah,by way of 2 witnesses,and the kingdom will be restored to them.

Here is the scripture,which leading up to this scripture is the world going against Israel,the battle of Armageddon,and God defeating the world,and saving Israel.

Jesus and the saints will rule over the heathen,and the kingdom on earth restored to Israel,in the millennial reign of Christ.

Eze 39:21 And I will set my glory among the heathen, and all the heathen shall see my judgment that I have executed, and my hand that I have laid upon them.
Eze 39:22 So the house of Israel shall know that I am the LORD their God from that day and forward.
Eze 39:23 And the heathen shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity: because they trespassed against me, therefore hid I my face from them, and gave them into the hand of their enemies: so fell they all by the sword.
Eze 39:24 According to their uncleanness and according to their transgressions have I done unto them, and hid my face from them.
Eze 39:25 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my holy name;
Eze 39:26 After that they have borne their shame, and all their trespasses whereby they have trespassed against me, when they dwelt safely in their land, and none made them afraid.
Eze 39:27 When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations;
Eze 39:28 Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.
Eze 39:29 Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.

So will fruit grow on the fig tree again or are all those verses you posted talking about a time before God cursed the fig tree?

 

[Bladerunner]

Again, Isa 13 dealt with Babylon, not Egypt and not Israel. The ancient city of Babylon in Iraq was found and it is a huge archeological site. Do you see any Arab tents in these pictures?

Babylon has never been destroyed and is still occupied today.......

 

[Bladerunner]

Madness and confusion. So Jesus returned at 70A.D. lets go with that. We are way past the 1000 year reign oh wait oops I forgot that was symbolic as well. Uhm so we are in the new heaven and new earth now? Anybody care to explain to me how in the world are we in the new heaven and new earth now? I hope yall don't go around teaching this madness to nobody.

Yep!.... no murders, killing, no wars, only piece, the wolf shall lye down with the lamb.......oops symbolic only?????yeah buddy//// they are in for a eternity treat in a fiery lake.

SOrry...just thought would squeak on this one.

 

[Muzungu256]

well can someone answer me............. it says oblation and sacrifice not covenant?

 

[KJV1611]

well can someone answer me............. it says oblation and sacrifice not covenant?

It does say that.

 

[MattforJesus]

So will fruit grow on the fig tree again or are all those verses you posted talking about a time before God cursed the fig tree?

This is a future event,which God said He hid His face from the Jews,and that He would bring the whole house of Jacob,every tribe,back to Israel,and when they have borne their shame,then God will have mercy on them,and He will not hide His face from them anymore,which no trouble for Israel,no enemies like the Palestinians,and Arabs bothering her,so it is obvious that God still has His face hid from Israel,but when He works with Israel in the future,eventually He will not hide His face from them ever again.

God will not hide His face from the Jews ever again,but they will always be in the truth with God,nothing wavering,for evermore,which will go to the New Jerusalem,which is patterned after Israel,for the 12 tribes of Israel,and the 12 apostles of the Lamb,are written in the New Jerusalem.

Ever since the Roman Empire went against Jerusalem,and scattered the Jews in to the nations,they have had trouble,even to this day,so God is still hiding His face from them.

If this had been a prophesy of the past,and God brought His people back to their land,the whole house of Jacob,it would of had to of been a prophesy before Jesus showed up,but if that were the case,God's face would never be hid from Israel,for evermore,and they would of never rejected Christ,and would be acknowledging as a nation,Christ right now.

When God gathers all His people out of their enemies land,the whole house of Jacob,all twelve tribes,and puts them back on their land,He will never hide His face from them,and they will always be in the truth of God,and no enemy would bother her,and she would flourish,nothing wavering,nothing hindering,and they would all know the LORD from that day and forward.

But ever since they were scattered from off their land by the Roman Empire in 70 A.D.,for rejecting Christ,and even as a nation reject Christ now,and are not prospering like they will when God does not hide His face from them,it is obvious that God is hiding His face from them,for they are not prospering like they would if God was not hiding His face from them,so if this is a prophesy of the past it would have to before Jerusalem was overthrown in 70 A.D.,and since Israel as a nation did not accept Jesus it would have to be a prophesy before Jesus came to them.

But if it is a prophesy before Jesus came to Israel,then God would of never hid His face from Israel from that time,until today,and for evermore,which means they would of not rejected Christ,always been in the truth of God since that time,would always prosper,and had no trouble,would of not been overthrown in 70 A.D.,and not scattered in the nations,and would know the LORD from before Jesus,accepting Jesus,in the truth,nothing wavering,for evermore.

But we know this is not true,so this is a future event.

In this prophesy God will never hide His face from Israel for evermore,nothing wavering,always be with Israel from that point,and for eternity,never hide His face from her,that is the point,so if it was a prophesy in the past,Israel would of always prospered in the truth,from that day and for evermore,and even to this day would be in the truth of Jesus,and no enemy would prosper against her.

So it has to be a future event,because it is obvious that God is hiding His face from her,for Israel as a nation does not accept Jesus,and she has trouble,and not the kingdom that prospers above all other kingdoms.

 

[Denadii]

[SUP]27 [/SUP]And he will enter into a binding and irrevocable covenant with the many for one week (seven years), but in the middle of the week he will stop the sacrifice and grain offering [for the remaining three and one-half years]; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until the complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who causes the horror.”

That sounds like the man of sin to me. A coming event.

 

[KJV1611]

[SUP]27 [/SUP]And he will enter into a binding and irrevocable covenant with the many for one week (seven years), but in the middle of the week he will stop the sacrifice and grain offering [for the remaining three and one-half years]; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until the complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who causes the horror.”

That sounds like the man of sin to me. A coming event.

I agree, that bible sounds like its the antichrist.

 

[Bogadile]

[SUP]27 [/SUP]And he will enter into a binding and irrevocable covenant with the many for one week (seven years), but in the middle of the week he will stop the sacrifice and grain offering [for the remaining three and one-half years]; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until the complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who causes the horror.”

That sounds like the man of sin to me. A coming event.

But why is there a 2000year gap in the weeks? What causes it? Anybody know? Daniel 11:41 does Edom exist today?

 

[KJV1611]

It's interesting to me that the KJV portrays Daniel 9:27 as Christ but the newer versions at least some of the more perverse ones portray the antichrist.

 

[Denadii]

But why is there a 2000year gap in the weeks? What causes it? Anybody know?

Where? Show it