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Genesis 4:11 KJV
And now art thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother's blood from thy hand;
I think the earth that passes away in Revelation is the WOMAN that opened HER mouth to receive Abel's blood.. I think that woman may be mystery Babylon although I'm not sure.
Genesis demonstrates the fact that there ARE two earths, one literal and one fugurative.
Genesis 4:14 KJV
Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me.
Cain is driven from the face of the earth (woman) but yet he is a fugative and a vagabond IN THE EARTH (literal earth). I never noticed that before, Cain was driven from the face of the earth but yet he was still on earth... VERY interesting!
And now art thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother's blood from thy hand;
I think the earth that passes away in Revelation is the WOMAN that opened HER mouth to receive Abel's blood.. I think that woman may be mystery Babylon although I'm not sure.
Genesis demonstrates the fact that there ARE two earths, one literal and one fugurative.
Genesis 4:14 KJV
Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me.
Cain is driven from the face of the earth (woman) but yet he is a fugative and a vagabond IN THE EARTH (literal earth). I never noticed that before, Cain was driven from the face of the earth but yet he was still on earth... VERY interesting!
Oh it does, if you count old Earth and New Earth.
Revelation 21:1 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 Peter 3:10 (KJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
Now the only question left, are you sure you are qualified to go on to the New Earth?
2 Timothy 3:16 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
John 5:24 (HCSB)
[SUP]24 [/SUP] “I assure you: Anyone who hears My word and believes Him who sent Me has eternal life and will not come under judgment but has passed from death to life.
1 Corinthians 14:24 (KJV)
[SUP]24 [/SUP] But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or one unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all:
Revelation 21:1 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 Peter 3:10 (KJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
Now the only question left, are you sure you are qualified to go on to the New Earth?
2 Timothy 3:16 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
John 5:24 (HCSB)
[SUP]24 [/SUP] “I assure you: Anyone who hears My word and believes Him who sent Me has eternal life and will not come under judgment but has passed from death to life.
1 Corinthians 14:24 (KJV)
[SUP]24 [/SUP] But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or one unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all:
A bit of a slur on Farrakhan VCO - He hates Obama. But let's not get sidetracked, it was just a bit of fun.
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I don't know why it is causing so much trouble. 'Ge' - earth - also means a piece of land or a country.
Ouranos - heavens - also means simply sky.
parerchomai - pass away - also means come forward, come near (as it did when God sulfur bombed Sodom)
Seems to me, the translators have made a pigs ear of it.
Simply:
"The sky will come crashing down with a great noise, the temple ceremonies will melt with extreme heat, and the land (Temple Mount) and everything therein will be burned up"
This also matches exactly what Paul describes in Thessalonians
Ouranos - heavens - also means simply sky.
parerchomai - pass away - also means come forward, come near (as it did when God sulfur bombed Sodom)
Seems to me, the translators have made a pigs ear of it.
Simply:
"The sky will come crashing down with a great noise, the temple ceremonies will melt with extreme heat, and the land (Temple Mount) and everything therein will be burned up"
This also matches exactly what Paul describes in Thessalonians
Absolutely. The prophets like to copy each other so let's look at the greatest prophet of all (after Jesus). He wasn't speaking to or about literally the heavens and earth. He was speaking instead to the entirety of his people.
Isa 1:
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Hear, O heavens, and give ear, O earth!
For the Lord has spoken:
“I have nourished and brought up children,
And they have rebelled against Me;
[SUP]3 [/SUP]The ox knows its owner
And the donkey its master’s crib;
But Israel does not know,
My people do not consider.”
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Alas, sinful nation,
A people laden with iniquity,
A brood of evildoers
Isa 1:
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Hear, O heavens, and give ear, O earth!
For the Lord has spoken:
“I have nourished and brought up children,
And they have rebelled against Me;
[SUP]3 [/SUP]The ox knows its owner
And the donkey its master’s crib;
But Israel does not know,
My people do not consider.”
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Alas, sinful nation,
A people laden with iniquity,
A brood of evildoers
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It matters not how we read the words of old and the meanings certain words have to us. Instead, it matters how they meant those words when they wrote them for the prophets were prophets to their people who were alive in their days. The Jewish prophets of old, like Isaiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Jeremiah, etc were trying to correct their people (the Jewish nation) and warn them of the consequences to them if they didn't turn from their ways. They would also similarly write about and warn certain nations around them that were oppressing them.
Case in point, Isa 13 is all about the pending destruction of Babylon in 539 BC. The start of the chapter clearly identifies who this was about.
The burden against Babylon which Isaiah the son of Amoz saw.
And no, this is not Babylon, NY.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]The noise of a multitude in the mountains, Like that of many people! A tumultuous noise of the kingdoms of nations gathered together! The Lord of hosts musters The army for battle. [SUP]5 [/SUP]They come from a far country, From the end of heaven— The Lord and His weapons of indignation, To destroy the whole land.
For those of you who are struggling to understand, study this passage because Jesus, Peter and John all copy it as do other OT prophets. God almost always uses a foreign enemy to execute judgment. Here he uses the Medes. In the NT, He uses the Romans to punish Israel for rejecting and killing His Son among other high crimes. Here we have a loud noise of nations from the "end of heaven" but were they really from heaven?
[SUP]17 [/SUP]“Behold, I will stir up the Medes against them...
They were the Medes and Persians. Did the Lord destroy the whole earth (land)? Of course not, He destroyed Babylon as we are told from the outset. Now look at this:
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Behold, the day of the Lord comes, Cruel, with both wrath and fierce anger, To lay the land desolate; And He will destroy its sinners from it.
For the lesser informed, the "day of the Lord" is not the end of the planet or world-wide judgment. It simply means God's divine judgment is coming and in this case, it was to the Babylonians. It is NOT a future world-wide great tribulation!!! Now look at this colorful figurative language that Isaiah uses to drive home the point of how powerful the judgment will be.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]For the stars of heaven and their constellations Will not give their light; The sun will be darkened in its going forth, And the moon will not cause its light to shine...[SUP]13 [/SUP]Therefore I will shake the heavens, And the earth will move out of her place, In the wrath of the Lord of hosts And in the day of His fierce anger.
Everyone reading this should recognize this language which applied to Babylon so that when you see it again in the NT, you ought to realize that there it is applying to Israel. You have to understand what I call, "audience relevancy." You also need to study how the prophets of old spoke. Their audience knew exactly what was meant. The Jews of old knew but sadly some today have no clue. They simply lash out and criticize if anyone tries to teach them if the teaching doesn't fit their life long beliefs.
Case in point, Isa 13 is all about the pending destruction of Babylon in 539 BC. The start of the chapter clearly identifies who this was about.
The burden against Babylon which Isaiah the son of Amoz saw.
And no, this is not Babylon, NY.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]The noise of a multitude in the mountains, Like that of many people! A tumultuous noise of the kingdoms of nations gathered together! The Lord of hosts musters The army for battle. [SUP]5 [/SUP]They come from a far country, From the end of heaven— The Lord and His weapons of indignation, To destroy the whole land.
For those of you who are struggling to understand, study this passage because Jesus, Peter and John all copy it as do other OT prophets. God almost always uses a foreign enemy to execute judgment. Here he uses the Medes. In the NT, He uses the Romans to punish Israel for rejecting and killing His Son among other high crimes. Here we have a loud noise of nations from the "end of heaven" but were they really from heaven?
[SUP]17 [/SUP]“Behold, I will stir up the Medes against them...
They were the Medes and Persians. Did the Lord destroy the whole earth (land)? Of course not, He destroyed Babylon as we are told from the outset. Now look at this:
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Behold, the day of the Lord comes, Cruel, with both wrath and fierce anger, To lay the land desolate; And He will destroy its sinners from it.
For the lesser informed, the "day of the Lord" is not the end of the planet or world-wide judgment. It simply means God's divine judgment is coming and in this case, it was to the Babylonians. It is NOT a future world-wide great tribulation!!! Now look at this colorful figurative language that Isaiah uses to drive home the point of how powerful the judgment will be.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]For the stars of heaven and their constellations Will not give their light; The sun will be darkened in its going forth, And the moon will not cause its light to shine...[SUP]13 [/SUP]Therefore I will shake the heavens, And the earth will move out of her place, In the wrath of the Lord of hosts And in the day of His fierce anger.
Everyone reading this should recognize this language which applied to Babylon so that when you see it again in the NT, you ought to realize that there it is applying to Israel. You have to understand what I call, "audience relevancy." You also need to study how the prophets of old spoke. Their audience knew exactly what was meant. The Jews of old knew but sadly some today have no clue. They simply lash out and criticize if anyone tries to teach them if the teaching doesn't fit their life long beliefs.
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I wish to ask antoher question. I see many are waiting for the Abomination of Desolation that Our Lord Jesus Christ mentions in Matthew 24:15 however it is clear from the context that Jesus here is speaking to His disciples and that generation shall not pass.
Therefore if Jesus had in mind something that would only occur thousands of years later it would be very strange, how do you get around this fact? What makes the situation even more sticky is that the Temple was destroyed just like Jesus predicted so I am quite sure many of His disciples thought that what Jesus said came true instead of sitting down and saying "let us wait for a new temple to be built 2000 years later maybe that time it will be the abomination of desolation".
I do not understand why there needs to be a gap added to the final week? The gap is not mentioned anywhere in the Scriptures nor is there any reason to add any such gap, Daniel 9:27 looks fulfilled to me, how is it not fulfilled? Where do you come up with the gap?
I am aware of some prophecies having multiple fulfillments as someone has said. But by my count this would be the 3rd Abomination of Desolation, one is recorded in the book of Maccabees before Jesus was born and the other in 70 AD, so if they get the temple re-built it would be the 3rd.
Also look at history, they have tried to rebuild it many times and never have succeeded (Almost as if God doesn't want it):
(quote from wikipedia):
"the project of rebuilding the temple was aborted because each time the workers tried to build the temple using the existing substructure, they were burned by terrible flames coming from inside the earth and an earthquake negated what work was made:
Julian thought to rebuild at an extravagant expense the proud Temple once at Jerusalem, and committed this task to Alypius of Antioch. Alypius set vigorously to work, and was seconded by the governor of the province; when fearful balls of fire, breaking out near the foundations, continued their attacks, till the workmen, after repeated scorchings, could approach no more: and he gave up the attempt.[SUP][15]"[/SUP]
Therefore if Jesus had in mind something that would only occur thousands of years later it would be very strange, how do you get around this fact? What makes the situation even more sticky is that the Temple was destroyed just like Jesus predicted so I am quite sure many of His disciples thought that what Jesus said came true instead of sitting down and saying "let us wait for a new temple to be built 2000 years later maybe that time it will be the abomination of desolation".
I do not understand why there needs to be a gap added to the final week? The gap is not mentioned anywhere in the Scriptures nor is there any reason to add any such gap, Daniel 9:27 looks fulfilled to me, how is it not fulfilled? Where do you come up with the gap?
I am aware of some prophecies having multiple fulfillments as someone has said. But by my count this would be the 3rd Abomination of Desolation, one is recorded in the book of Maccabees before Jesus was born and the other in 70 AD, so if they get the temple re-built it would be the 3rd.
Also look at history, they have tried to rebuild it many times and never have succeeded (Almost as if God doesn't want it):
(quote from wikipedia):
"the project of rebuilding the temple was aborted because each time the workers tried to build the temple using the existing substructure, they were burned by terrible flames coming from inside the earth and an earthquake negated what work was made:
Julian thought to rebuild at an extravagant expense the proud Temple once at Jerusalem, and committed this task to Alypius of Antioch. Alypius set vigorously to work, and was seconded by the governor of the province; when fearful balls of fire, breaking out near the foundations, continued their attacks, till the workmen, after repeated scorchings, could approach no more: and he gave up the attempt.[SUP][15]"[/SUP]