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Ahwatukee

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I understand that .But it did not answer my question. What is the purpose for building or rebuildng what the eyes see(the temporal) ? Can God reign from heaven in the hearts of men as King of kings by faith, the unseen, or is He a man as us and we must walk by sight, killing the preceived competiton in the name of zeal for God .
Your just not listening garee! If only 69 of the seventy sevens that were decreed upon Israel and Jerusalem has been fulfilled, then because God cannot lie and everything that is written must be fulfilled, then we have seven years of that decree that has yet to be fulfilled.

God put that last seven year period on hold and began to build the church. Once the church has been completed, the Lord will descend and gather the church. After that he will pick up where He left off with Israel in fulfillment of that last seven years, complete with a temple, offerings and sacrifices and all the articles and furniture of the temple according to the law.

Why don't can't you comprehend this?

God has unfinished business with Israel and seven years of prophecy that must be accomplished and it will all take place in conjunction with the end of the age.
 
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I have been trying to encourage all of you to consider the fact that Jesus did Not say "I will build my CHURCH."

He actually said, "I will build my ASSEMBLY" - singular.

The Greek word did not mean CHURCH, which is only a substitution for ASSEMBLY.
ASSEMBLY is the sum total of both O.T. True Believers and N.T. True Believers.

Now your discussion is degenerating into a mud slinging competition.

May I suggest that you take a long look in the mirror, before you throw the next handful of mud.

Rather than without parables Christ spoke not it could be rendered with Anthropomorphism Christ spoke not.

It’s His bride, wife or church as His assembly. The spiritual house of God is made up of many lively stones . Its all one in the same .The place was finished being prepared when he said it is finished. It fulfilled the promise of the saints on the other side of the cross of those waiting for a suffering savior. They in there new spirits that could never die. They entered the place as His promised glory in 1 Peter 1:11. He had prepared the new Jerusalem as the mother of us all .This is in respect to the new name He promised to name his bride the church that he called Christian... not of the flesh as a outward Jew….previously called Israel or Jacob but in respect to a inward Jew born again of the Spirit of Christ.

He did not leave them in the grave but called them out …Come forth giving them ears to hear..

Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts. Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel. And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves, And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the LORD have spoken it, and performed it, saith the LORD. Eze 37:11


He of his own free will gave up His Spirit as a witness it was finished. The veil was rent from the top to the bottom (70 feet) indicating he came for the one time demonstration (spiritual work not seen) of the lamb of God who was slain from the foundation of the world, the six days he was working and they entered the city that was now prepared by the living sacrifice… never to appear in the flesh for ever more.


1Pe 1:11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.


2Co 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.

God is not a man as us never was never could be. God remains without beginning of Spirit life or end thereof. He has no mother of father.

Jer 31:22 How long wilt thou go about, O thou backsliding daughter? for the LORD hath created a new thing in the earth, A woman shall compass a man.

For thy Maker is thine husband; the LORD of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called. For the LORD hath called thee "as a woman" forsaken and grieved in spirit, and a wife of youth, when thou wast refused, saith thy God.Isa 54:5

For Zion's sake will I not hold my peace, and for Jerusalem's sake I will not rest, until the righteousness thereof go forth as brightness, and the salvation thereof as a lamp that burneth. And the Gentiles shall see thy righteousness, and all kings thy glory: and thou shalt be called by a new name, (Christian) which the mouth of the LORD shall name.{Acts 11:26)Thou shalt also be a crown of glory in the hand of the LORD, and a royal diadem in the hand of thy God.Thou shalt no more be termed Forsaken; neither shall thy land any more be termed Desolate: but thou shalt be called Hephzibah, and thy land Beulah: for the LORD delighteth in thee, and thy land shall be married. For as a young man marrieth a virgin, so shall thy sons marry thee: and as the bridegroom (Christ)rejoiceth over the bride(the church) , so shall thy God rejoice over thee.Isa 62:1
 
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Those who are TRULY of our Covenant will be in Heaven, while the 70th WEEK of Daniel is the conclusion of the Old Covenant:


Luke 13:29-30 (NIV)
[SUP]29 [/SUP]People will come from east and west and north and south,
and will take their places at the feast in the kingdom of God.

[SUP]30 [/SUP]Indeed there are those who are last who will be first,
and first who will be last
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And you had you had no idea why HE said that.
What is the purpose for building or rebuildng what the eyes see(the temporal) another temple, knowing the last will be first and the first last (no repsecter of persons, or nations) as if we gloried in the flesh as that seen?
 

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Morning Muzungu256,

Israel is the wife of God, not a bride. The church is the bride of Christ. In regards to going to a Jewish source, they don't consider the NT has the word of God and so they are not going to have all the extra detailed information in the OT that we do in the NT. But as far as the Jewish wedding goes, that is a good representation of the relationship between Christ as the Bridegroom and the church as the bride.
Does the name Immanuel mean anything to you?
 

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Does the name Immanuel mean anything to you?
Of course, it means "God with us." What does that have to do with Israel being the wife of God the Father? Have you not read any of the many scriptures where Israel committed adultery (spiritual) against God. Or when he was going to give her a letter of divorcement? There are many references to God's relationship to Israel as being His wife.

"I gave faithless Israel her certificate of divorce and sent her away because of all her adulteries. Yet I saw that her unfaithful sister Judah had no fear; she also went out and committed adultery." Jer.3:8
 
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In the OT, Israel was always referred to as God's wife, possibly God the Father. Where the church is the bride of Christ.
Two Gods, not one.

No concept of type and anti-type. No recollection of the blue print (copies) for reality (spiritual fulfillment). The OT isn't really about Christ, it's about physical earthly Israel.
 
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why is daniel 9:27 on "hold" i never overstood this it doesn't make any sense........... even jews themselves is saying that it was fulfilled................ it makes no mention of a 2000 year gap
 

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Of course, it means "God with us." What does that have to do with Israel being the wife of God the Father? Have you not read any of the many scriptures where Israel committed adultery (spiritual) against God. Or when he was going to give her a letter of divorcement? There are many references to God's relationship to Israel as being His wife.

"I gave faithless Israel her certificate of divorce and sent her away because of all her adulteries. Yet I saw that her unfaithful sister Judah had no fear; she also went out and committed adultery." Jer.3:8
One God, one wife.

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Ephesians 2

[FONT=&quot]11 Therefore remember that you, once Gentiles in the flesh—who are called Uncircumcision by what is called the Circumcision made in the flesh by hands— [/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot]12 that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. [/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot]13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.[/FONT]
 

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why is daniel 9:27 on "hold" i never overstood this it doesn't make any sense........... even jews themselves is saying that it was fulfilled................ it makes no mention of a 2000 year gap
Earth Wind And Fire wrote about the Daniel 70th week delusion and made a song about it​








https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0CVoFsUhC4

"Fantasy"

Every man has a place
In his heart there's a space
And the world can't erase his fantasies

Take a ride in the sky
On our ship, fantasize
All your dreams will come true right away


And we will live together
Until the twelfth of never
Our voices will ring forever, as one

Every thought is a dream
Rushing by in a stream
Bringing life to the kingdom of doing
Take a ride in the sky
On our ship, fantasize
All your dreams will come true miles away

Our voices will ring together
Until the twelfth of never
We all will live love forever, as one

Come to see victory
In a land called fantasy

Loving life, a new degree
Bring your mind to everlasting liberty

As one, come to see victory
In a land called fantasy
Loving life for you and me
To behold, to your soul is ecstasy

You will find other kind
That has been in search of you
Many lives has brought you to
Recognize, it's your life now in review

And as you stay for the play
Fantasy has in store for you
A glowing light will see you through
It's your day, shining day
All your dreams come true

As you glide in your stride
With the wind as you fly away
Give a smile from your lips and say
I'm free, yes I'm free, now I'm on my way


Come to see victory
In a land called fantasy
Loving life for you and me
To behold, to your soul is ecstasy

You will find other kind
That has been in search of you
Many lives has brought you to
Recognize, it's your life now in review
 
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i think its a better idea to build doctrine on the clear words of Jesus peter and paul.......... and not an apocalyptic book revelation.... interpret the unclear with the clear and so forth........ as much as i wanted the dispensational theory to be true it doesnt fit so many contradictions and you have to eviscerate the bible to make it fit by so many separations and distinctions and call it rightly dividing............. well here is a good way to divide new testament old testament lol
here is whats coming:

2 peter 3:10-13
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up.[c] 11 Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved, what manner of persons ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, 12 looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.
 
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I wish I could say that I have a complete understanding of Daniel 9:24-27, however I do not because every idea has some problems with it. Seventy sevens are determined to make an end of sin and bring in everlasting righteousness, and sixty nine sevens from the building of Jerusalem unto Messiah. That leaves one seven, and here is where the problems begin. And HE, (we are not told who the HE is) shall confirm the covenant with many for one seven. Note something important, the word says that he will confirm the covenant, NOT, he will make a covenant, this is very important because there is a huge difference between confirming the Jewish covenant that was already there, as opposed to making a covenant which amounts to making a new agreement with someone. So the HE(according to the bible) does not make a covenant with anyone, the HE confirms the Jewish covenant that is already there. In the middle of the seven HE shall cause the sacrifice to cease. We have two possibilities, the HE is Antichrist and stops the Jews from offering animal sacrifices. The HE is Jesus and stops the Jews from offering animal sacrifices. Jesus did bring an end to animal sacrifice. Also since Jesus brought an end to animal sacrifice how could it be brought back for the Antichrist to stop?
 

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Does the name Immanuel mean anything to you?

IT PROVES THE DEITY OF JESUS CHRIST, because it means GOD WITH US.

Matthew 1:23 (HCSB)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] See, the virgin will become pregnant and give birth to a son, and they will name Him Immanuel, which is translated “God is with us.”
 

VCO

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why is daniel 9:27 on "hold" i never overstood this it doesn't make any sense........... even jews themselves is saying that it was fulfilled................ it makes no mention of a 2000 year gap

Daniel 12:4 (HCSB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] “But you, Daniel, keep these words secret and seal the book
until the time of the end.
Many will roam about, and knowledge will increase.”




IT WAS INTENDED THAT ANY SHOULD UNDERSTAND IT UNTIL NOW.
 

VCO

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Earth Wind And Fire wrote about the Daniel 70th week delusion and made a song about it​
. . .

What Bible College did they go to?
 

VCO

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Your wooden literal mind wouldn't understand.
Those who fail to understand the importance of Literal Interpretation,

are wandering in the Twilight Zone, making up their own interpretations,

to any verse they choose to change the meaning to.


[video=youtube;NzlG28B-R8Y]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzlG28B-R8Y[/video]