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i suppose that if you ever suppose God is or was ignorant, you have denied His omniscience, making Him no longer God, because omniscience, omnipotence, omnipresence and omnibenevolence are not separate, not separable, and not optional - they are all together one characteristic which is characteristic only of God.
we don't have to comprehend why omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient, omnibenevolent God does what He does in His omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent, omnipresent way -- but if we disbelieve it, and so disbelieve His eternal qualities, don't we blaspheme?
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it's interesting; look at the times God asks man questions -
to Adam in the garden, "where are you? who told you you were naked?"
to Cain after he had murdered, "why are you angry?"
to Jacob as he struggled, "what is your name?"
to Elijah running from Jezebel, "what are you doing here?"
to Judas in the garden, "why have you come?"
and to the company with him, "who do you seek?"
to Job from the whirlwind, "where were you? are you able?"
do you think God didn't know the answers to any of these questions?
of course not - He is omniscient God, and it is He who created all these things. He created time itself, does He know know all the times and all the purposes of all the times?
the same reason that you should understand that all these questions are rhetorical - they are not God seeking some knowledge that He doesn't have - is the same reason that you should understand that yes, God knows exactly what He is doing with the universe, with sin and death and righteousness and life, and that salvation through Jesus the Christ is not a "band-aid" to fix an unexpected problem; He is not "plan B" because God's original plan for the universe went caddy-whompus somehow. it is by the Word of God that all things exist, and He is before all things, and all things are for Him, and all things are under Him. the ones the Father gives to the Son were chosen in the Son before the beginning.
start from this position:
God is God; He is omniscient, omnipresent, omnipotent and omnibenevolent. He is never ignorant, never absent, never unable, and never evil, but nothing is kept from Him, He is kept from nothing, nothing is impossible for Him, and He works all things for His glory and the good of those that put their trust in Him.
keep this position. start from it, and don't leave it: fear God
from there, how can you ever come to the idea that He will not do all His will? how could you ever come to an understanding that something happened He did not expect?
we don't have to comprehend why omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient, omnibenevolent God does what He does in His omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent, omnipresent way -- but if we disbelieve it, and so disbelieve His eternal qualities, don't we blaspheme?
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it's interesting; look at the times God asks man questions -
to Adam in the garden, "where are you? who told you you were naked?"
to Cain after he had murdered, "why are you angry?"
to Jacob as he struggled, "what is your name?"
to Elijah running from Jezebel, "what are you doing here?"
to Judas in the garden, "why have you come?"
and to the company with him, "who do you seek?"
to Job from the whirlwind, "where were you? are you able?"
do you think God didn't know the answers to any of these questions?
of course not - He is omniscient God, and it is He who created all these things. He created time itself, does He know know all the times and all the purposes of all the times?
the same reason that you should understand that all these questions are rhetorical - they are not God seeking some knowledge that He doesn't have - is the same reason that you should understand that yes, God knows exactly what He is doing with the universe, with sin and death and righteousness and life, and that salvation through Jesus the Christ is not a "band-aid" to fix an unexpected problem; He is not "plan B" because God's original plan for the universe went caddy-whompus somehow. it is by the Word of God that all things exist, and He is before all things, and all things are for Him, and all things are under Him. the ones the Father gives to the Son were chosen in the Son before the beginning.
start from this position:
God is God; He is omniscient, omnipresent, omnipotent and omnibenevolent. He is never ignorant, never absent, never unable, and never evil, but nothing is kept from Him, He is kept from nothing, nothing is impossible for Him, and He works all things for His glory and the good of those that put their trust in Him.
keep this position. start from it, and don't leave it: fear God
from there, how can you ever come to the idea that He will not do all His will? how could you ever come to an understanding that something happened He did not expect?
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Are you trying to split hairs ? If Jesus was/is the Spirit of God would He not be God Himself ? So, since God is His Father and Jesus is sitting now at Gods/Fathers right hand how can He not be other than His Son ?
I am not saying that this will never change, but is so for now - Jesus has been given all authority Mat 28v18 and rules in the name of the Father/God. There will come a time when ALL is handed back to God and He will be all in all 1Cor 15v25-28.
I am not saying that this will never change, but is so for now - Jesus has been given all authority Mat 28v18 and rules in the name of the Father/God. There will come a time when ALL is handed back to God and He will be all in all 1Cor 15v25-28.
For the sake of context-
John 10:30-33 - Jesus answered them, “I and My Father are one.” Then the Jews took up stones again to stone Him. Jesus answered them, “Many good works I have shown you from My Father. For which of those works do you stone Me?” The Jews answered Him, saying, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God.”
John 20:26-29 26 A week later his disciples were in the house again, and Thomas was with them. Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!” 27 Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.”
28 Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”
29 Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”
Matthew 28:18
And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me."
Revelation 1:17-18
17 And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. But He laid His right hand on me, saying to me,“Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last. 18 I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. And I have the keys of Hades and of Death.
Using Biblical context for reference, how do you think Jesus feels about who He is and His relation to God?
John 10:30-33 - Jesus answered them, “I and My Father are one.” Then the Jews took up stones again to stone Him. Jesus answered them, “Many good works I have shown you from My Father. For which of those works do you stone Me?” The Jews answered Him, saying, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God.”
John 20:26-29 26 A week later his disciples were in the house again, and Thomas was with them. Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!” 27 Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.”
28 Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”
29 Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”
Matthew 28:18
And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me."
Revelation 1:17-18
17 And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. But He laid His right hand on me, saying to me,“Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last. 18 I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. And I have the keys of Hades and of Death.
Using Biblical context for reference, how do you think Jesus feels about who He is and His relation to God?
who resurrected Christ?
what does the scripture say?
Jesus resurrected Himself
Jesus was resurrected by God the Father
Jesus was resurrected by the Spirit of God
the Son is raised by the Father
the Son raises Himself
The Son is raised by the Spirit
did we break the Bible?
or is there a Way that all three of these are simultaneously and perfectly true?
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here's an equivalent problem:
i have only one drink on the table beside me. it is warm; it is brown; it is bitter.
am i drinking the warm drink?
am i drinking the brown drink?
am i drinking the bitter drink?
is my drink warm?
is it brown?
is it bitter?
is there a way that all three of these can be true? that each one is a simultaneously accurate description?
what does the scripture say?
Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.” The Jews then said, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and will you raise it up in three days?” But He was speaking about the temple of his body.
(John 2:19-21)
(John 2:19-21)
No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again. This charge I have received from my Father.
(John 10:18)
(John 10:18)
Jesus resurrected Himself
God raised Him up, loosing the pangs of death, because it was not possible for Him to be held by it.
(Acts 2:34)
(Acts 2:34)
We were buried therefore with Him by baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life.
(Romans 6:4)
(Romans 6:4)
Jesus was resurrected by God the Father
regarding His Son, who was a descendant of David according to flesh, and who through the Spirit of holiness was declared with power to be the Son of God by His resurrection from the dead: Jesus Christ our Lord.
(Romans 1:3-4)
(Romans 1:3-4)
But if the Spirit of Him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, He that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by His Spirit that dwelleth in you.
(Romans 8:11)
(Romans 8:11)
Jesus was resurrected by the Spirit of God
the Son is raised by the Father
the Son raises Himself
The Son is raised by the Spirit
did we break the Bible?
or is there a Way that all three of these are simultaneously and perfectly true?
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here's an equivalent problem:
i have only one drink on the table beside me. it is warm; it is brown; it is bitter.
am i drinking the warm drink?
am i drinking the brown drink?
am i drinking the bitter drink?
is my drink warm?
is it brown?
is it bitter?
is there a way that all three of these can be true? that each one is a simultaneously accurate description?
Ah, so your point is He is the Son of God.Yeah, you wont find anyone here who doesnt agree with that : p
He also says this-
John 10-28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. 30 I and the Father are one.”
36 what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’? 37 Do not believe me unless I do the works of my Father. 38 But if I do them, even though you do not believe me, believe the works, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father.”
Christ is a part of God, He and the Father are one. They both exist together but are one. If they are not one, we worship two gods. And if they are not one, we do not worship the God of Abraham, as the OT makes it clear, God will judge the world, God alone is our savior and God shares His glory with no one.
All of these things, Jesus claims as Himself.
He is both the Son of God, and "God with us".
He also says this-
John 10-28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. 30 I and the Father are one.”
36 what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’? 37 Do not believe me unless I do the works of my Father. 38 But if I do them, even though you do not believe me, believe the works, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father.”
Christ is a part of God, He and the Father are one. They both exist together but are one. If they are not one, we worship two gods. And if they are not one, we do not worship the God of Abraham, as the OT makes it clear, God will judge the world, God alone is our savior and God shares His glory with no one.
All of these things, Jesus claims as Himself.
He is both the Son of God, and "God with us".
