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God who remains without the begining of days or end of Spirit life is without mother or father....He not a man as us. Never was never could be
The Spirit of Christ never left this realm under the sun .He holds all things to together by the power of His Holy Spirit. Christ in not a man as us. When he as the Son of man departed from this realm under the Sun he gave clear directions that we know Him no more forever more after that which is seen. We walk by faith the unseen eternal .
2Co 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now “henceforth” know we him no more.
There will be no fleshly Jesus who declared His flesh profits for nothing.We are not to put our faith in the things seen..... the cause of the fall
2Co 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight
The Spirit of Christ never left this realm under the sun .He holds all things to together by the power of His Holy Spirit. Christ in not a man as us. When he as the Son of man departed from this realm under the Sun he gave clear directions that we know Him no more forever more after that which is seen. We walk by faith the unseen eternal .
2Co 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now “henceforth” know we him no more.
There will be no fleshly Jesus who declared His flesh profits for nothing.We are not to put our faith in the things seen..... the cause of the fall
2Co 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight
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This is what happened to them:
The soldiers also came to the rest of the cloisters that were in the outer [court of the] temple, whither the women and children, and a great mixed multitude of the people, fled, in number about six thousand. But before Caesar had determined any thing about these people, or given the commanders any orders relating to them, the soldiers were in such a rage, that they set that cloister on fire; by which means it came to pass that some of these were destroyed by throwing themselves down headlong, and some were burnt in the cloisters themselves. Nor did any one of them escape with his life. A false prophet was the occasion of these people's destruction, who had made a public proclamation in the city that very day, that God commanded them to get upon the temple, and that there they should receive miraculous signs of their deliverance.
The soldiers also came to the rest of the cloisters that were in the outer [court of the] temple, whither the women and children, and a great mixed multitude of the people, fled, in number about six thousand. But before Caesar had determined any thing about these people, or given the commanders any orders relating to them, the soldiers were in such a rage, that they set that cloister on fire; by which means it came to pass that some of these were destroyed by throwing themselves down headlong, and some were burnt in the cloisters themselves. Nor did any one of them escape with his life. A false prophet was the occasion of these people's destruction, who had made a public proclamation in the city that very day, that God commanded them to get upon the temple, and that there they should receive miraculous signs of their deliverance.
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Ok,see how you need that simple little story changed?
Look again.
You inserted "never"
You also now have unbelievers,heathen,with light,oil,and pure,and undefiled.(virgins)
You further have unbelievers asking believers for"salvation"(according to your assertion),and then believers pointing them to "sellers of salvation".
To top it off,you have unbelievers watching and waiting,correctly so as exhibited by the wise,for Jesus.
You guys need bizarre imaginations to make that deal work.
That dynamic of the 5 foolish being unbelievers is absolutely impossible.
Again,I don't need that parable modified.
Once you do that,where will that beast lead you?
Look again.
You inserted "never"
You also now have unbelievers,heathen,with light,oil,and pure,and undefiled.(virgins)
You further have unbelievers asking believers for"salvation"(according to your assertion),and then believers pointing them to "sellers of salvation".
To top it off,you have unbelievers watching and waiting,correctly so as exhibited by the wise,for Jesus.
You guys need bizarre imaginations to make that deal work.
That dynamic of the 5 foolish being unbelievers is absolutely impossible.
Again,I don't need that parable modified.
Once you do that,where will that beast lead you?
A thought came to me this morning, about defining the difference between the MANY on the Broad Road to Destruction, and the 50% of the unwise Virgins and the 50% of those left behind.
Matthew 7:13-14 (HCSB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] “Enter through the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the road is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who go through it.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] How narrow is the gate and difficult the road that leads to life, and few find it.
Compare that to:
Matthew 25:1-13 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:
[SUP]4 [/SUP] But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.
[SUP]12 [/SUP] But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.
Matthew 24:40-42 (NCV)
[SUP]40 [/SUP] Two men will be in the field. One will be taken, and the other will be left.
[SUP]41 [/SUP] Two women will be grinding grain with a mill. One will be taken, and the other will be left.
[SUP]42 [/SUP] “So always be ready, because you don’t know the day your Lord will come.
Luke 17:34-35 (CSBBible)
[SUP]34 [/SUP] I tell you, on that night two will be in one bed; one will be taken and the other will be left.
[SUP]35 [/SUP] Two women will be grinding grain together; one will be taken and the other left."
THE MANY on the Broad Road to Destuction includes ALL FALSE WAYS TO GOD. That includes the cults, works righteousness, psuedo Christians, unbelievers, etc.
WHILE the 50% left behind is ONLY talking about those Christians who FAILED to have their Lamps full at the time of the CALLING OUT OF THE BRIDE TO GO TO THE WEDDING OF THE LAMB. Does that mean they are lost forever? Perhaps not?
They will know why they failed to be part of the BRIDE, receiving the invite to the WEDDING, (failed to have a genuine inner, personal LOVE relationship with Jesus Christ as LORD, meaning MASTER). THEREFORE, they may very well make up the majority of the Martyred Tribulation Saints.
Matthew 7:13-14 (HCSB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] “Enter through the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the road is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who go through it.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] How narrow is the gate and difficult the road that leads to life, and few find it.
Compare that to:
Matthew 25:1-13 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:
[SUP]4 [/SUP] But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.
[SUP]12 [/SUP] But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.
Matthew 24:40-42 (NCV)
[SUP]40 [/SUP] Two men will be in the field. One will be taken, and the other will be left.
[SUP]41 [/SUP] Two women will be grinding grain with a mill. One will be taken, and the other will be left.
[SUP]42 [/SUP] “So always be ready, because you don’t know the day your Lord will come.
Luke 17:34-35 (CSBBible)
[SUP]34 [/SUP] I tell you, on that night two will be in one bed; one will be taken and the other will be left.
[SUP]35 [/SUP] Two women will be grinding grain together; one will be taken and the other left."
THE MANY on the Broad Road to Destuction includes ALL FALSE WAYS TO GOD. That includes the cults, works righteousness, psuedo Christians, unbelievers, etc.
WHILE the 50% left behind is ONLY talking about those Christians who FAILED to have their Lamps full at the time of the CALLING OUT OF THE BRIDE TO GO TO THE WEDDING OF THE LAMB. Does that mean they are lost forever? Perhaps not?
They will know why they failed to be part of the BRIDE, receiving the invite to the WEDDING, (failed to have a genuine inner, personal LOVE relationship with Jesus Christ as LORD, meaning MASTER). THEREFORE, they may very well make up the majority of the Martyred Tribulation Saints.
'All these things' from Matthew 24.4-26 took place within forty years of Christ's death. Thus that was the generation Jesus was pointing to. Whenever He spoke of this generation He always meant the generation now and to come.
You only deny the obvious meaning because that generation does not fit your theories.
You only deny the obvious meaning because that generation does not fit your theories.
Zec 14:1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
Zec 14:2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
Zec 14:3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
Zec 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
Zec 14:5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
It is God's purpose to gather all Gentile nations together to go against Jerusalem,that is the whole world,for it is the time for Him to put down the world,and their rebelliousness,and save Israel,in which the kingdom on earth shall be restored to Israel.
The first attack on Israel by the Roman Empire was because they rejected Christ,so God allowed the Jews to be scattered in to the nations.
The second attack on Jerusalem by the world is because they accepted Christ,for God turned them to the truth that Jesus is their Messiah,and the last kingdom will persecute all people that hold the testimony that Jesus is Lord and Savior.
Isa 13:9 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.
Isa 13:10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.
Isa 13:11 And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.
Act 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
Act 1:7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
Jer 46:27 But fear not thou, O my servant Jacob, and be not dismayed, O Israel: for, behold, I will save thee from afar off, and thy seed from the land of their captivity; and Jacob shall return, and be in rest and at ease, and none shall make him afraid.
Jer 46:28 Fear thou not, O Jacob my servant, saith the LORD: for I am with thee; for I will make a full end of all the nations whither I have driven thee: but I will not make a full end of thee, but correct thee in measure; yet will I not leave thee wholly unpunished.
Eze 39:21 And I will set my glory among the heathen, and all the heathen shall see my judgment that I have executed, and my hand that I have laid upon them.
Eze 39:22 So the house of Israel shall know that I am the LORD their God from that day and forward.
Eze 39:23 And the heathen shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity: because they trespassed against me, therefore hid I my face from them, and gave them into the hand of their enemies: so fell they all by the sword.
Eze 39:24 According to their uncleanness and according to their transgressions have I done unto them, and hid my face from them.
Eze 39:25 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my holy name;
Eze 39:26 After that they have borne their shame, and all their trespasses whereby they have trespassed against me, when they dwelt safely in their land, and none made them afraid.
Eze 39:27 When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations;
Eze 39:28 Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.
Eze 39:29 Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.
It is the time for God to end this sin business on earth,and the millennial reign of Christ to begin,which there will be no operating Gentile government,and Israel will be the only operating government.
Zec 14:9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.
Isa 11:9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.
Zec 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Zec 14:17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
Zec 14:18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Zec 14:19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Eze 39:1 Therefore, thou son of man, prophesy against Gog, and say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:
Eze 39:2 And I will turn thee back, and leave but the sixth part of thee, and will cause thee to come up from the north parts, and will bring thee upon the mountains of Israel.
Jesus and the saints will rule over the people that God spared at the battle of Armageddon.
God will give the world 7 years to have their way,and cause all people that do not love Him to follow a kingdom that acknowledges no God,and when they take the mark of the beast,repentance,and salvation,is no longer available to the world,and then they make war against the saints for three and one half years,and at the end of the three and one half years all those who remain will be gathered unto Christ,and God will go against the world.
God will bring Israel to the truth that Jesus is their Messiah,and the world attacks Israel,and God comes back with all His saints,and defeats the word,and saves Israel.
First attack on Jerusalem,because Israel rejected Christ,scattered in to the nations.Second attack on Israel,because Israel accepted Christ,God saves Israel.Two different attacks,two different outcomes.
Dan 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.
Dan 7:24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.
Dan 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
The ten horns is the world divided in to ten sections with a leader in each section,and the 4th beast shall devour the whole earth,tread it down,and break it in pieces,something the Roman Empire in the first century could never do,which he will persecute the saints for three and one half years.
Rev 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
Rev 13:6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
The beast kingdom has control over all Gentile governments.
Mat 24:1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
Mat 24:2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
This is the only thing Jesus said concerning Jerusalem being overthrown,and He said that because the disciples said,look at these lovely buildings,but Jesus said they are coming down.
Then He speaks of the end time,which is now.Why would Jesus be telling the saints of spiritual deception,when it is a physical overthrow of Jerusalem,because the Jews rejected Jesus,and how can there be so much spiritual deception at that time when Christianity is so young.
Mat 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
Mat 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
Mat 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
Jesus tells them of the sign of His coming,and the end of the world,and if Jesus already came,and it is the end of the world,there would be no people on earth,for the earth would of passed away,and the saints would be in the New Jersualem.
How can the end of the world happen in the first century,but the world is still going on.
Mat 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
Mat 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
Dan 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
Dan 12:8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?
Dan 12:9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.
How can the saints know of all these things that shall occur on different parts of the earth without technology giving them a way to be able to know what is going on in the world.
If there was no advanced travel,and technology,how much would we be able to know what is going on in the world,and that is why Daniel did not understand what was told him,for he could not know how those things could happen,and would not be able to see that it is happening,but they would understand at the end time.
Mat 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
The saints shall be hated of all nations,not a few,but all nations.
Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
The Gospel shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations,for when the world has heard the truth,then God will give the world their way to cause all people that do not love Him to follow the beast kingdom,and they have no excuse that they did not know the preaching of the Gospel that told Jesus is Lord and Savior,the only way for people to be saved,and prosper,and the only way for there to be peace on earth.
Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Mat 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
Mat 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
This tribulation is the greatest tribulation because it is on a world wide scale,and except those days be shortened to three and one half years no flesh would be saved,and there will be great spiritual deception,which is the new age movement at that time,that is based on the occult,and witchcraft,which God warns us of the new age movement with a false interpretation of the Bible,that will unify the religions,with an interpretation of the Bible,Islam,and Judaism,to fit that format,and will be the time the world will not want to endure the truth of the Bible,but want to hear it according to their own lusts,power through nature(1 Timothy 4:1-5;2 Timothy 4:2-4),and the second beast will do great wonders to convince the world that the first beast did receive power through nature,and gave this power to the second beast(Revelation 13:11-14),that will seem so real that it would deceive the very elect if it were possible,but it is not possible,and the elect will not be deceived when they say,Peace and safety(1 Thessalonians 5:1-5),and Jesus said He will deliver all the saints from the temptation that shall try all the world(Revelation 3:10).
Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
Dan 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
Dan 8:23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.
Dan 8:24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.
Dan 12:7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.
When the world persecutes the saints for three and one half years,then all the saints that remain shall be gathered unto Christ.
There is no way they can fit it in to the first century,and if they ask a historian could this happen in the first century,he will say,get up out of my face with that silly question,for I do not have time for your silliness,for how can the whole world,every nation,kindred,and tongue,go against Jerusalem in the first century,come on,give me a break,saith the historian.
First attack of Israel by the Roman Empire because they rejected Christ,Jews scattered in to the nations.
Second attack on Jerusalem by the world because they accepted Christ,God saves Israel.
Two different attacks,at two different time periods,and two different outcomes.
Zec 14:2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
Zec 14:3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
Zec 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
Zec 14:5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
It is God's purpose to gather all Gentile nations together to go against Jerusalem,that is the whole world,for it is the time for Him to put down the world,and their rebelliousness,and save Israel,in which the kingdom on earth shall be restored to Israel.
The first attack on Israel by the Roman Empire was because they rejected Christ,so God allowed the Jews to be scattered in to the nations.
The second attack on Jerusalem by the world is because they accepted Christ,for God turned them to the truth that Jesus is their Messiah,and the last kingdom will persecute all people that hold the testimony that Jesus is Lord and Savior.
Isa 13:9 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.
Isa 13:10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.
Isa 13:11 And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.
Act 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
Act 1:7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
Jer 46:27 But fear not thou, O my servant Jacob, and be not dismayed, O Israel: for, behold, I will save thee from afar off, and thy seed from the land of their captivity; and Jacob shall return, and be in rest and at ease, and none shall make him afraid.
Jer 46:28 Fear thou not, O Jacob my servant, saith the LORD: for I am with thee; for I will make a full end of all the nations whither I have driven thee: but I will not make a full end of thee, but correct thee in measure; yet will I not leave thee wholly unpunished.
Eze 39:21 And I will set my glory among the heathen, and all the heathen shall see my judgment that I have executed, and my hand that I have laid upon them.
Eze 39:22 So the house of Israel shall know that I am the LORD their God from that day and forward.
Eze 39:23 And the heathen shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity: because they trespassed against me, therefore hid I my face from them, and gave them into the hand of their enemies: so fell they all by the sword.
Eze 39:24 According to their uncleanness and according to their transgressions have I done unto them, and hid my face from them.
Eze 39:25 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my holy name;
Eze 39:26 After that they have borne their shame, and all their trespasses whereby they have trespassed against me, when they dwelt safely in their land, and none made them afraid.
Eze 39:27 When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations;
Eze 39:28 Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.
Eze 39:29 Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.
It is the time for God to end this sin business on earth,and the millennial reign of Christ to begin,which there will be no operating Gentile government,and Israel will be the only operating government.
Zec 14:9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.
Isa 11:9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.
Zec 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Zec 14:17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
Zec 14:18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Zec 14:19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Eze 39:1 Therefore, thou son of man, prophesy against Gog, and say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:
Eze 39:2 And I will turn thee back, and leave but the sixth part of thee, and will cause thee to come up from the north parts, and will bring thee upon the mountains of Israel.
Jesus and the saints will rule over the people that God spared at the battle of Armageddon.
God will give the world 7 years to have their way,and cause all people that do not love Him to follow a kingdom that acknowledges no God,and when they take the mark of the beast,repentance,and salvation,is no longer available to the world,and then they make war against the saints for three and one half years,and at the end of the three and one half years all those who remain will be gathered unto Christ,and God will go against the world.
God will bring Israel to the truth that Jesus is their Messiah,and the world attacks Israel,and God comes back with all His saints,and defeats the word,and saves Israel.
First attack on Jerusalem,because Israel rejected Christ,scattered in to the nations.Second attack on Israel,because Israel accepted Christ,God saves Israel.Two different attacks,two different outcomes.
Dan 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.
Dan 7:24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.
Dan 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
The ten horns is the world divided in to ten sections with a leader in each section,and the 4th beast shall devour the whole earth,tread it down,and break it in pieces,something the Roman Empire in the first century could never do,which he will persecute the saints for three and one half years.
Rev 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
Rev 13:6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
The beast kingdom has control over all Gentile governments.
Mat 24:1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
Mat 24:2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
This is the only thing Jesus said concerning Jerusalem being overthrown,and He said that because the disciples said,look at these lovely buildings,but Jesus said they are coming down.
Then He speaks of the end time,which is now.Why would Jesus be telling the saints of spiritual deception,when it is a physical overthrow of Jerusalem,because the Jews rejected Jesus,and how can there be so much spiritual deception at that time when Christianity is so young.
Mat 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
Mat 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
Mat 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
Jesus tells them of the sign of His coming,and the end of the world,and if Jesus already came,and it is the end of the world,there would be no people on earth,for the earth would of passed away,and the saints would be in the New Jersualem.
How can the end of the world happen in the first century,but the world is still going on.
Mat 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
Mat 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
Dan 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
Dan 12:8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?
Dan 12:9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.
How can the saints know of all these things that shall occur on different parts of the earth without technology giving them a way to be able to know what is going on in the world.
If there was no advanced travel,and technology,how much would we be able to know what is going on in the world,and that is why Daniel did not understand what was told him,for he could not know how those things could happen,and would not be able to see that it is happening,but they would understand at the end time.
Mat 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
The saints shall be hated of all nations,not a few,but all nations.
Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
The Gospel shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations,for when the world has heard the truth,then God will give the world their way to cause all people that do not love Him to follow the beast kingdom,and they have no excuse that they did not know the preaching of the Gospel that told Jesus is Lord and Savior,the only way for people to be saved,and prosper,and the only way for there to be peace on earth.
Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Mat 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
Mat 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
This tribulation is the greatest tribulation because it is on a world wide scale,and except those days be shortened to three and one half years no flesh would be saved,and there will be great spiritual deception,which is the new age movement at that time,that is based on the occult,and witchcraft,which God warns us of the new age movement with a false interpretation of the Bible,that will unify the religions,with an interpretation of the Bible,Islam,and Judaism,to fit that format,and will be the time the world will not want to endure the truth of the Bible,but want to hear it according to their own lusts,power through nature(1 Timothy 4:1-5;2 Timothy 4:2-4),and the second beast will do great wonders to convince the world that the first beast did receive power through nature,and gave this power to the second beast(Revelation 13:11-14),that will seem so real that it would deceive the very elect if it were possible,but it is not possible,and the elect will not be deceived when they say,Peace and safety(1 Thessalonians 5:1-5),and Jesus said He will deliver all the saints from the temptation that shall try all the world(Revelation 3:10).
Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
Dan 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
Dan 8:23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.
Dan 8:24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.
Dan 12:7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.
When the world persecutes the saints for three and one half years,then all the saints that remain shall be gathered unto Christ.
There is no way they can fit it in to the first century,and if they ask a historian could this happen in the first century,he will say,get up out of my face with that silly question,for I do not have time for your silliness,for how can the whole world,every nation,kindred,and tongue,go against Jerusalem in the first century,come on,give me a break,saith the historian.
First attack of Israel by the Roman Empire because they rejected Christ,Jews scattered in to the nations.
Second attack on Jerusalem by the world because they accepted Christ,God saves Israel.
Two different attacks,at two different time periods,and two different outcomes.
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The world wide mark of the beast,the beheading,and the boils on those that do receive it,as well as the flying scorpions forever kill your theory.
IOW,ironically,history destroys the historical view.
It is comical watching you guys trying to invent dynamics to fit a historical great tribulation with a world wide mark of the beast.
IOW,ironically,history destroys the historical view.
It is comical watching you guys trying to invent dynamics to fit a historical great tribulation with a world wide mark of the beast.
You REALLY do not make sense. All the Christians are gone in the pre-trib rapture, only the Antichrist and unbelievers are left, yet in a brief span of 42 months millions upon millions from all over the world get saved and then have their heads cut off? Who is preaching the word to them, all the Christians are gone? The time of the Antichrist is a time when he dominates the believers, not a time when new believers are being made.
Jesus said I DO NOT KNOW YOU. To any sensible person that means I never knew you. He knew which He knew and which He knew not.
Yes the latter were true believers, the former nominal believers.
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The oil in their lamp was not salvation.
Yes, there will be many watching for Jesus who were only nominal Christians.
Your whole theory is bizarre.
Jesus said I DO NOT KNOW YOU. That is enough for me. He would never deny someone who He had known,
It doesn't need to be modified.
Well, actually, they are not even mentioned in Matthew 24. So they could not effect the dating. But the mark of the beast and the beheading both directly occurred in the Roman Empire, which was seen as 'world wide' (Rom1.8). The flying locusts were demonic activity. You really are trying it on.
Funny, I think it backs it up.
The historical great tribulation was the tribulation on the Jews from c.70 ad to the present day. The mark of the beast was in the Roman 'world'. They go together perfectly.
Funny, I think it backs it up.
The historical great tribulation was the tribulation on the Jews from c.70 ad to the present day. The mark of the beast was in the Roman 'world'. They go together perfectly.
AND lest we forget....the pre-tribbers have the Holy Spirit being removed in order for the man of sin to be revealed "2nd Thessalonians"
NO HOLY SPIRIT = NO SALVATION for anyone..........HE leads, guides into the truth and convinces and convicts the world of sin and faith in Christ........
ONE of MANY fallacies found....
NO HOLY SPIRIT = NO SALVATION for anyone..........HE leads, guides into the truth and convinces and convicts the world of sin and faith in Christ........
ONE of MANY fallacies found....