The Rapture

[valiant]

It is in several of his videos and rightly so.... As a preterist, you tell us that the events of Revelation are going on in today's time frame.

I am not a full preterist, only a partial preterist. But certainly some of Revelation has occurred and some is taking place NOW.

Well according to the scripture about the binding, God does not let him(satan) affect man in any way during the 1000 years.

Rev 20:3 ..."3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season."

Strange then that they all rebelled at the end? LOL

If this event (rev 20:2) is present day, would you not agree that Satan's Chain is TOO LONG>>.... He is still influencing mankind.

God is restraining Satan or the whole world would be taken by him. But not on a physical chain. God allows the right amount of restraint.

This is why your eschatology (theology) is fatality flawed.

So you don't think the devil is restrained?

....Care to put up another controversial verse..that the preterist insist that it shows we are living the future words of Revelation, today.....??

Revelation 6? Although most of it was yesterday.

 

[tanakh]

Who is "By Bob Enyart " ?????

Details of Bob Enyart can be found on Wilipedia. I leave it to others to decide whether he is greater than Einstein.

 

[popeye]

I am not a full preterist, only a partial preterist. But certainly some of Revelation has occurred and some is taking place NOW.




Strange then that they all rebelled at the end? LOL



God is restraining Satan or the whole world would be taken by him. But not on a physical chain. God allows the right amount of restraint.



So you don't think the devil is restrained?



Revelation 6? Although most of it was yesterday.

Though we disagree greatly,I hope my mind is as sharp as yours when I catch up to your years.

God bless you friend

 

[valiant]

Though we disagree greatly,I hope my mind is as sharp as yours when I catch up to your years.

God bless you friend

Thank you my friend

 

[serpentdove]

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I agree we'll get more dimensions in our glorified body. What does that have to do with time?

 

[serpentdove]

I really do not understand,,,,,one minute you are saying one thing and then next another.

If God is omni-present... which means he is everywhere at the same time...

Why would you understand? You haven't read the books. The meaning you pour into the omnis and the ims is important. Don't be a Greek pagan.

 

[VCO]

PW is right on this one...God is outside of time. Meaning time has no constraints on Him. Time is considered a dimension, a dimension that we do not comprehend and are not a part of. We are only 3 dimensional.

IF you read the Bible, the meaning of the Phrase"God is outside of time" is in the Bible.

Psalm 90:4, “For a thousand years in Your sight are like a day that has just gone by, or like a watch in the night.”

Here Moses is talking about TIME.. of God vs that of Man. Time has no constraint on God.

I guess the Greeks got the phrase from God's Word since it predated, the Septuagint LXX.

God is not a traveler in time, but rather the CREATOR of TIME as we know it.

He declares the end from the beginning because He is Omnipresent in all time at the same time.

He wrote our names in the Book of Life before the Foundation of Earth, because HE is Omnipresent at every conversion all at the same time.

GOD DOES NOT FIT INTO A BOX WE CALL TIME.

Ominpresent means to be present in every cubic inch of space and every second of TIME all at the same time.


WOW! GOD IS MUCH BIGGER THAN MOST PEOPLE EVERY IMMAGINED.

 

[serpentdove]

God is not a traveler in time, but rather the CREATOR of TIME...

Time is not a created thing.

 

[valiant]

Originally Posted by valiant

He could not be bound with a physical chain. Thus the restraint is spiritual. He is restrained, but he can still deceive the nations and especially through his minions.

Bladerunner - NO,,, you are wrong Valant........ in rev 20:3..God Says " And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season."

Yes and his release is mentioned in Revelation 9.1-12. Furthermore his restraint is by God as He wills.

To shepherd with a rod of iron mean that He brings judgement on the nations. This He has done through the centuries. Jesus is reigning.

Wrong again...... To rule with a "rod of Iron" refers to: During the 1000 years, Jesus will rule over the people of earth. Any evilness, wickedness will be dealt with promptly and severely.

'He will shepherd them with a rod of iron and break them in pieces like a potters vessel.' Sounds like judgment to me. The shepherds iron rod was for killing wild beasts. Nothing to do with a non-existent millennium.

 

[serpentdove]

...[H]is restraint is by God as He wills.

He's not on his earthly throne where he's supposed to be. Read Revelation.

 

[VCO]

Time is not a created thing.

You had better rethink how TIME IS MEASURED, and what constitutes time, EVERYTHING ABOUT IT IS CREATED.

 

[samuel23]

Before God created, there was no matter, no space, and no time.

 

[Bladerunner]

None of the early fathers was pre-trib.

oh, I don't know,,,pre-trib goes back from the first days of the church, was lost while the RCC did its thing and now has been found..... It was a wonderous event. NO?

 

[tanakh]

oh, I don't know,,,pre-trib goes back from the first days of the church, was lost while the RCC did its thing and now has been found..... It was a wonderous event. NO?

I agree with you. You dont know. The truth is that the Pre Trib and all the Dispensationalist system was invented by John Nelson Darby and expanded and promoted by Cyrus Scofield. Darby started the Exclusive Brethren cult and his teachings were spread via Scofields notes. The Pre Trib teaching is derived from a cult.

 

[valiant]

oh, I don't know,,,pre-trib goes back from the first days of the church, was lost while the RCC did its thing and now has been found..... It was a wonderous event. NO?

pre-trib was unknown in the early church. It was invented by Darby & co,

 

[serpentdove]

Before God created, there was no matter, no space, and no time.

And then he created a big clock.

Re 8:1

 

[Muzungu256]

And then he created a big clock.

Re 8:1

you realize this is very new idea that bob enyart is proposing?????????????? jews dont believe this and they are our forefathers in a sense............. christianity sprang from jews.............

 

[serpentdove]

you realize this is very new idea that bob enyart is proposing?????????????? jews dont believe this and they are our forefathers in a sense............. christianity sprang from jews.............

Ad Antiquitatem , Bandwagon

 

[serpentdove]

pre-trib was unknown in the early church. It was invented by Darby & co,

False (Eph 4:14).

See:

Revelation Session 01 Introduction Chuck Missler

 

[garee]

Time is not a created thing.

I would think it is. He created the Sun on the first day.On the fourth he turned on the switch to be used as time keepes.In the new creation there will be no time keepers. They will be under the feet or no longer have any authority over the bride of Christ the church.

Rev 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: