Not By Works

[dcontroversal]

dc - I am sorry I am not trying to convince you, because for some strange reason
you have closed your heart.

It is why though I have no reason to superficially say a rcc priest does not know the Lord,
some do, and they sometimes are more alive than their protestant pastors.

Life is a lot stranger than your simplistic judgements, and thankfully we are not the judge.

I was told once I was a cessationist, yet I believe in the gifts and pray in tongues.
Some said I was wrong saying Jesus is about love, that was old style faith.
Another said I had a evil spirit and they could create things exnihilo.

Well I am still here and they have realised their error. So I await either you change
your tune or disappear. You seem impervious to everything except the love of your son.

You need to love me in the same way. I am not your enemy, and Jesus is very much trying
to reach out to you despite whatever hurts you project on to me. And they must be enormous because
it drives you to distort and miss read everything I write. Jesus is my King and I live a life of love
and praise. But how can this be in the theology you have made? And love is the key not your
condemning approach and apparent war against others. We are examples of light not warriors
or had you not noticed my friend? God bless you, through the cross and resurrection of Jesus Christ
our Lord, amen

You should open your eyes and apply the first line to yourself.....because you are the one with a closed mind to the truth pal!

 

[PeterJens]

Which is why those that have this belief system reject the righteousness of God in Christ.

They need to create and maintain their own righteousness which is why they can't see a baby Christian that fails in their walk with the Lord and are deceived by the deceitfulness of sin.

These types condemn these young ones in Christ and thus drive them from God with their "you are going to hell" nonsense and constant condemnation of others in the body of Christ.

It is an anti-Christ belief system that denies the very grace of God that is needed for our transformation to walk out what is already in us in our new creation in Christ.

You and those who agree with you are the ones being condemning and discouraging.
If people can walk in holiness and love, they are a true light of life, but it appears you
do not believe this is true. That is just a denial of the mission of Christ and His gospel
to show the love of God transforms the heart of a sinner, Amen

 

[Grace777x70]

The sky is blue....

 

[Ariel82]

dc - I am sorry I am not trying to convince you, because for some strange reason
you have closed your heart.

It is why though I have no reason to superficially say a rcc priest does not know the Lord,
some do, and they sometimes are more alive than their protestant pastors.

Life is a lot stranger than your simplistic judgements, and thankfully we are not the judge.

I was told once I was a cessationist, yet I believe in the gifts and pray in tongues.
Some said I was wrong saying Jesus is about love, that was old style faith.
Another said I had a evil spirit and they could create things exnihilo.

Well I am still here and they have realised their error. So I await either you change
your tune or disappear. You seem impervious to everything except the love of your son.

You need to love me in the same way. I am not your enemy, and Jesus is very much trying
to reach out to you despite whatever hurts you project on to me. And they must be enormous because
it drives you to distort and miss read everything I write. Jesus is my King and I live a life of love
and praise. But how can this be in the theology you have made? And love is the key not your
condemning approach and apparent war against others. We are examples of light not warriors
or had you not noticed my friend? God bless you, through the cross and resurrection of Jesus Christ
our Lord, amen

Is Dcon acceptance of you really that important to you PeterJens?

 

[dcontroversal]

Is Dcon acceptance of you really that important to you PeterJens?

As they say in Australia....something about losing the plot!!

 

[Ariel82]

A quick observation. If someone over a whole year cannot find an obvious sin to confess
is it unreasonable for them to surmise they have not sinned over that year.

Now does it matter, unless you believe it is impossible, which means it is so annoying you
are convinced they are evil liars just pretending. But what if it is true and they live a secluded
peaceful life of prayer and praise. What you need to do, if you really think they are sinning, is
write out the sins you know you are committing and ask yourself could your stop doing this,
easily. And if the answer is yes, you know you are just allowing yourself to be compromised.

Now I truly have no reason to believe some can walk like this, to I just praise the Lord for their
testimony, Amen

It's okay, we don't have to ask you to confess your sins PeterJens.....they are kind of self evident in your strawmen creations, but the question is ...have you repented?

Personally I was taught to hate the sin and love the sinner. Maybe it's just a southern thing? Lived in North Carolina for three decades, so it's a culture shock when folks actually expect you to come into the front door and their ice tea ain't sweet.

 

[Ariel82]

As they say in Australia....something about losing the plot!!

There was a plot?!?

Lol.

Hey dcon, I think he just wants some of your love.you should offer him some cake....why you gotta be so mean and make them steal it?

 

[Ariel82]

Had to look it up..

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/lose_the_plot

lose the plot


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Home British & World English lose the plot
Definition of lose the plot in English:

lose the plot
PHRASE

British
informal
Lose one's ability to understand or cope with what is happening.
‘many people believe that he is feeling the strain or has lost the plot’
More example sentences
‘At this point I lost the plot and started screaming at Abby who awoke in a panic.’
‘He never had any ambition to make tons of money, he just wanted to produce great ads, and when people couldn't understand his vision he'd totally lose the plot.’
‘Always eccentric, he was rumoured to have lost the plot completely.’
‘The world around him was an illusion; he had lost the plot.’
‘I looked at him a bit strangely, and wondered if he'd lost the plot.’

 

[dcontroversal]

There was a plot?!?

Lol.

Hey dcon, I think he just wants some of your love.you should offer him some cake....why you gotta be so mean and make them steal it?

Hahaha no doubt....look I hate no one, just cannot stand the lying dogma they spread......the day he quits taking the cake I will offer him some......

 

[dcontroversal]

Love and truth go hand in hand....no matter how hard a truth is to bear, when one tells you the truth they are loving you...think about the things Jesus said to the Pharisees or the things John the Immerser said to those around him...Jesus is the manifestation of the love of God yet raked all over the coals at certain times....including his disciples....the problem is simple...humanity has turned love into this wishy, washy oooey gooey feel good emotion.....and love has nothing to do with that at all....just ponder that for a moment.......!

 

[dcontroversal]

Well my friends....I am back in Penrith, Australia after a particularly long day at the airport in Cairns, Queensland yesterday....have about 6 days or 7 to go and then a 15 hour flight from Sydney to Dallas....I hope you are all well and still swinging the sword for Jesus......for all who read this...Jesus saves by faith and any work we may produce is the result of the faith and salvation we already possess in Christ by faith.

 

[dcontroversal]

Are you really that delusional?

I don't ignore what the Bible says about believers doing what Jesus says. There is a difference between doing what the Lord says in order to become saved and doing what the Lord says after we have been saved through faith.

Actually, I simply harmonize Scripture with Scripture in order to reach the proper conclusion about what it takes to be saved. You distort and pervert passages of Scripture in an effort to "patch together" your "works based" false gospel.

We are saved through believing in Him (John 3:15,16,18; 6:40,47; 11:25,26; Acts 10:43; 13:39; 16:31; Romans 1:16; 3:22-28; 4:5 etc..). Obviously, you don't believe these verses because you have already stated that believing in Him is NOT ENOUGH.

Believing is enough, as I already showed you in multiple verses. Now in regards to Hebrews 5:9, who obeys Him? The saved or the lost? I've heard many works salvationists (including Roman Catholics and Mormons) use this verse to try and support salvation by works. Only believers have obeyed Him by choosing to believe the gospel (Romans 1:16) in order to become saved, and only believers obey Him after they have been saved through faith by keeping His commandments and practicing righteousness (1 John 2:3; 3:9,10). In either sense, only believers obey Him. Unbelievers have not obeyed Him by refusing to believe the gospel (Romans 10:16) and without faith its impossible to please God (Hebrews 11:6), so unbelievers do not obey Him no matter how much "so-called" obedience that they attempt to conjure up through the flesh in a vain effort to receive salvation based on their works. So in either sense, unbelievers do not obey Him

Sinless perfection and salvation by works is not from God and is not the truth. You've been duped.

Scriptures does plainly teach the truth, for those who have ears to hear. 1 Corinthians 2:11 - For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God. 12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God. 13 These things we also speak, not in words which man's wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Believing is clearly enough or else multiple verses in the Bible would be a lie. God forbid! (Luke 8:12; John 1:12; 3:15,16,18,36; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26; Acts 10:43; 13:39; 16:31; Romans 1:16; 3:22-28; 4:5; 1 Corinthians 1:21; 1 John 5:13; etc..).

What James means by "faith only" is an empty profession of faith, not genuine faith. Works salvationists fail to grasp this. In James 2:14, we read of one who says-claims he has faith but has no works (to back up his claim). This is not genuine faith, but a bare profession of faith.So when James asks, "Can that faith save him?" He is saying nothing against genuine faith, but only against an empty profession of faith/dead faith. *Please listen closely - James does not teach that we are saved "by" works. His concern is to show the reality of the faith professed by the individual (James 2:18) and demonstrate that the faith claimed (James 2:14) by the individual is genuine. Simple! James is discussing the proof of faith (says-claims to have faith but has no works/I will show you my faith by my works - James 2:14-18), not the initial act of being accounted as righteous with God (Romans 4:2-3).

I see that you dodged my question, so I'll ask it again. Please describe what YOU believe it means to "believe in Him" in order to become saved.

The answer to your question is a resounding yes...he is that delusional......!

 

[dcontroversal]

You Jesus said that those who teach the word, but do not the things they teach will be called the least in the Kingdom of Heaven.....what is overlooked is the fact that they ARE STILL IN THE KINGDOM EVEN THOUGH THEY FAILED TO DO WHAT THEY WERE TEACHING.....this also goes along with those believers who have works of wood, hay and stubble.....not faithful at all, very worldly, yet saved and in the kingdom....a man may fail a million times, but if he has exercised faith into Jesus he is born again, saved, justified and sanctified in Christ (positionally) for all eternity!

It is faith and faith alone that saves a lost soul....end of story!

 

[PeterJens]

It's okay, we don't have to ask you to confess your sins PeterJens.....they are kind of self evident in your strawmen creations, but the question is ...have you repented?

Personally I was taught to hate the sin and love the sinner. Maybe it's just a southern thing? Lived in North Carolina for three decades, so it's a culture shock when folks actually expect you to come into the front door and their ice tea ain't sweet.

Sorry sin is not self evident. My point was to believe what someone is testifying to unless you have
good reason to believe they are wrong. Now to suggest it is sinful to do this, is a sin in itself, because
it falsely creates a judgement against walking in the light. I have met many who share the truth but fail
in other areas, but are called liars for the wrong reasons. Loving people is about listening and waiting.

I am reading 1 john again. His theme is sin, cleansing, love, commandments. Abiding cleanses us so
maybe sin in a sense is inherent in us, but by abiding is cleansed. So the idea of being sinless apart from
Christ is wrong, but walking in righteousness is 100% our expectation. But it is not innate, it is the fruit of
abiding. So John is saying in abiding we overcome the world, so the very goal to walk like Jesus is not
a burden.

And when I list what sin is, it makes sense. But our focus is good works, acts of love for others.
It is through these we show the love that is within.

 

[PeterJens]

Love and truth go hand in hand....no matter how hard a truth is to bear, when one tells you the truth they are loving you...think about the things Jesus said to the Pharisees or the things John the Immerser said to those around him...Jesus is the manifestation of the love of God yet raked all over the coals at certain times....including his disciples....the problem is simple...humanity has turned love into this wishy, washy oooey gooey feel good emotion.....and love has nothing to do with that at all....just ponder that for a moment.......!

dc - we agree. Amen. But I ask you brother, do you love me? Now I mean if I came to meet you and
embrace you as a brother, could you love me back.

Often hurts, resentments build up, we do not notice, until suddenly it is there. Some have got hurt by my
style, for which I am sorry. Unfortunately, I am a work in progress, and to love me is to forgive me these
failures.

I wish there was a way of sharing that always said made in heaven, but maybe part of loving like Christ
is bearing with each others weaknesses.

Now love in Christ is as brutal as the cross and judgement day, so we both know this conversation is
not about wishy washy love. It is about hard hearts, hidden pain, and true despair. I know this because
I have been there myself. God bless you

 

[PeterJens]

Is Dcon acceptance of you really that important to you PeterJens?

Funnily the answer to this question is yes.
Not because it is me, but because I am Mr follower of Christ who shares a few words
blessing. If I am evil going to hell as a result something is wrong. I am patient and loving
so will share as the Lord empowers me and just reach out.

My brothers and sisters believe there is hope here, so will I. God bless you.

 

[PeterJens]

Written unto saved children of GOD...this one is for the sinless perfectionists....

Where sin abounds, GRACE did much more about.....

If we say that we have NO SIN, WE ARE DECEIVED and the truth is NOT IN US....

Those who say they never sin or have ceased from sin much be way more righteous than JOHN who wrote almost 20% of the N.T.

John is emphasizing without abiding in Christ we are sinners.
Sin is innate in us apart from Christ, but cleansed in fellowship with Him.

So we can walk righteously abiding in him without sin, but of ourselves we are sinners.
The argument is we are moral beings separate from God, but John is saying no, it is in
communion that cleansing happens and continues.

So the fruit of this is a righteous walk, but not of ourselves, but because we are one with Him.
Paul describes this as being Holy, blameless, pure because of Christs blood shed for us.

There is always a seeing of truths by many. Grace abounds so that we might as immature taste
of the full walk, but not so that we continue to abide in sin, but rather throw it off, and know the way of
love. Sanctification is hard because in the darkness there are many constraints. But in the light it
all becomes clear. And to this I say Amen, Hallelujah. What a King we follow.

 

[Ariel82]

Sorry sin is not self evident. My point was to believe what someone is testifying to unless you have
good reason to believe they are wrong. Now to suggest it is sinful to do this, is a sin in itself, because
it falsely creates a judgement against walking in the light. I have met many who share the truth but fail
in other areas, but are called liars for the wrong reasons. Loving people is about listening and waiting.

I am reading 1 john again. His theme is sin, cleansing, love, commandments. Abiding cleanses us so
maybe sin in a sense is inherent in us, but by abiding is cleansed. So the idea of being sinless apart from
Christ is wrong, but walking in righteousness is 100% our expectation. But it is not innate, it is the fruit of
abiding. So John is saying in abiding we overcome the world, so the very goal to walk like Jesus is not
a burden.

And when I list what sin is, it makes sense. But our focus is good works, acts of love for others.
It is through these we show the love that is within.

Our focus is on Jesus and His love..,good works flow from what God has placed with in us.

If I focus on good works, I tend to freak out or get prideful.

When I focus on Jesu, I realise there is nothing to worry about because I don't work alone, so no fear. God works through me and its by His power any good or blessing is done, so no pride.

Someone told me they didn't like thss phrase "God working through us" because they think of robots. I tried to explain about God empowering us to do good works but they didn't get it.

Do you get it or do you think of robots too when you hear the phrase?

 

[Ariel82]

Hahaha no doubt....look I hate no one, just cannot stand the lying dogma they spread......the day he quits taking the cake I will offer him some......

One can pray he will figure out how to express his beliefs without mixing sanctification into justification or that God will change them if he actually believes folks need another foundation than Jesus or that good works actually save folks.

 

[NoNameMcgee]

ohhh sounds like some of you guys need a hug


wheres that cat when you need her

appearently giving hugs is her life