Women should not be allowed to preach in church
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The problem that is being discussed started countless generations ago.
A woman being in a position of influence is a bad thing NOT because of her being a woman but because of what WE made of her in this screwed up world where sex and money is God.
If you consider this practically then you can't blame them for being opportunistic,shallow and cold.
I said it before and I'll say it again because I think that it needs reiterating.
Clinton,who many mistakenly think was going to be the next "great" step in progressivism firstly blamed somebody else for her downfall..
A leader doesn't do that,and she tried to be the leader of the world.
A woman being in a position of influence is a bad thing NOT because of her being a woman but because of what WE made of her in this screwed up world where sex and money is God.
If you consider this practically then you can't blame them for being opportunistic,shallow and cold.
I said it before and I'll say it again because I think that it needs reiterating.
Clinton,who many mistakenly think was going to be the next "great" step in progressivism firstly blamed somebody else for her downfall..
A leader doesn't do that,and she tried to be the leader of the world.
Nobody can, because this word is used in this case only in Epesians 4. If you think that this word is not interchangable with the other terms. Then what use is for an Pastor (poimen)? Because neither Titus should take Pastors for the churches. Nor Timotheus did, because Pastor (poimen) is nowhere else is mentioned.
What we have today that the Pastor is the allrounder for the church is according my understanding not biblical.
And what are the dutys of an poimen?
What we have today that the Pastor is the allrounder for the church is according my understanding not biblical.
And what are the dutys of an poimen?
All of these phrases and terminology were created by man, even....dare I say it?....yep I will dare...the Bible.
Although I live by the practical points,I have to say that there are so many aspects that are questionable .
A great point for what I'm saying would be "repentance ",how can one live a life of conscious failure and still be a part of moral greatness?
Although I live by the practical points,I have to say that there are so many aspects that are questionable .
A great point for what I'm saying would be "repentance ",how can one live a life of conscious failure and still be a part of moral greatness?
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right you are
that is not an automatic gender related fulfillment
which many men do not seem to understand and seem to think that because they have external genitalia they are somehow better
quoting a verse does not make it so. God says it is so and that does not mean people fulfill it automatically
that is not an automatic gender related fulfillment
which many men do not seem to understand and seem to think that because they have external genitalia they are somehow better
quoting a verse does not make it so. God says it is so and that does not mean people fulfill it automatically
Thank you you proved my point. Elder's, Bishops/overseers/Deacons are not to be women.
Poimne is not used in terms of Elders, Deacons or Bishops/overseers, nice of you to try to sneak that in there like that, Poiman in the greek is not pastor it is a shepherd. It is not used at in 1 Tim 3 or Titus 1 Bishop is the same as overseer. Timothy himself was never a Pastor, but an Evangelist [2Tim 4.5]
So all you have really proven is my point:
That women cannot be elders/bishops/deacons.
The word Pastor/shepherd is never used in 1 Tim 3 or Titus 1
And as such there is no real evidence in scripture that a woman cannot be a pastor.
Oh but you false teacher you, a pastor leads a church, men and people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Really!?!? Show me where it says a Pastor leads a church, men or people anywhere in scripture.
Poimne is not used in terms of Elders, Deacons or Bishops/overseers, nice of you to try to sneak that in there like that, Poiman in the greek is not pastor it is a shepherd. It is not used at in 1 Tim 3 or Titus 1 Bishop is the same as overseer. Timothy himself was never a Pastor, but an Evangelist [2Tim 4.5]
So all you have really proven is my point:
That women cannot be elders/bishops/deacons.
The word Pastor/shepherd is never used in 1 Tim 3 or Titus 1
And as such there is no real evidence in scripture that a woman cannot be a pastor.
Oh but you false teacher you, a pastor leads a church, men and people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Really!?!? Show me where it says a Pastor leads a church, men or people anywhere in scripture.
Possibly an important point to consider in all of this, is that back in the days of Paul’s church, it was relatively small and manageable to his particular preferences. His church would have had a supreme authority over all others. However, in today’s age of mass population explosion, hundreds if not thousands of various doctrines, and more independently owned churches than one can count, you don’t really have a single governing body (as in the days of Paul). At least if were talking about the evangelical community.
If we no longer have a single church entity that would supersede the authority of other churches (like Paul’s church probably would have done) then how would a woman preaching in one of these non-governing churches be talking “over” a man? Does what she say in her privately owned church govern the entirety of Christendom anymore? Perhaps today’s evangelical church preachers could be more likened to smaller independent missionary roles, rather than the governing priests of old. Just something I was contemplating.
If we no longer have a single church entity that would supersede the authority of other churches (like Paul’s church probably would have done) then how would a woman preaching in one of these non-governing churches be talking “over” a man? Does what she say in her privately owned church govern the entirety of Christendom anymore? Perhaps today’s evangelical church preachers could be more likened to smaller independent missionary roles, rather than the governing priests of old. Just something I was contemplating.
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that was my point which you handily ignore which illustrates your lifestyle
do as I say and not as I do
you are not even married so you have no experience in applying what we are told to do
just another word watcher not doing
your sex does not make you a leader. God makes leaders and tries them and proves them
any parrot can repeat a verse
do as I say and not as I do
you are not even married so you have no experience in applying what we are told to do
just another word watcher not doing
your sex does not make you a leader. God makes leaders and tries them and proves them
any parrot can repeat a verse
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you quote a verse that tells you that Christ is the HEAD of the home and don't even know it
that, is not a personal attack
it's a simple fact
JESUS is YOUR head according to that verse...the head of EVERY man which makes Him the head of every woman by default
but that is not what happens in large part
instead, women are on their knees begging God to do something about their husband who quotes that verse and yet treats his wife as some inferior being that has to do what he says.
YOU, are not married yet want to explain how it works
I'm gasping for air
You make a good point, that Paul did not encourage Titus and Timothy to appoint "pastors", and also that the "allrounder for the church" is not biblical. However, it is not necessarily anti-biblical either. We need to be careful not to confuse the modern generic title or role of "pastor" with the biblical gift "pastor" as identified in Ephesians 4. If we are to be strictly biblical about this, neither Paul nor Jesus said men could be pastors either, so your assertion that there is no evidence of female pastors has no weight.
Further, Jesus said specifically in Matthew 23 not to be called leaders or teachers, yet the whole of this argument is whether women can be such. Again, to be strictly biblical, men can't be leaders or teachers either, given these verses.
Further, Jesus said specifically in Matthew 23 not to be called leaders or teachers, yet the whole of this argument is whether women can be such. Again, to be strictly biblical, men can't be leaders or teachers either, given these verses.
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