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NoNameMcgee

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dcontroversal said:
Bro....you will never be completely sinless until you have a glorified body.....the bible is clear...those who claim to be sinless are lying....Paul, John amd even JESUS covers this....while there were saved, immeresed Apostles whi had the ability to raise the dead, cure the sick and cast out devils he said there is NONE GOOD BUT GOD....YES...in Jesus we can suppress and manage most sins, but to be completely sinless is false....John was clear...he used WE, WE, WE, AND US to describe ALL who say they HAVE NO SIN IN THE PRESENT TENSE!
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can you point to where it says that?

before i rebuttle ill do studies

because i get the exact opposite and there are examples of people like job or john the baptist

Jesus said go and sin NO more not some more

those who sins are servants to it

no man can serve two masters


im not trying to be a heel im serious here

im under the impression what your are saying is against scripture

i can probably find 20+ verses that oppose what you say here


it sounds to me like youre saying all things ARENT possible through christ who strengthens us


now im not sinless

but based on scripture i expect to be if i can die to myself and live for Jesus
 
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PeterJens said:
Some have misunderstood the Lord. Jesus is saying I walked your road without sin
so can you. We have to change, by faith, by walk, by heart.

The first step is to believe it is possible. The next step is to know you are cleansed.
The third is to walk in this.

Arriving is about the Lord and communion with Him, and like walking on water we will
but not know it. Because it is about being not arriving, flowing and giving not resting on
achievement. So I do not know how I walk, I just strive to walk in love.

And you respond like I am bringing a curse rather than saying this love is everything.
Maybe you write off the very thing God is proud of. Moses a humble man was so humble
he was denying Gods choice. You all have histories, I am just saying Jesus is saying see
where you are and what God has done and is doing and rejoice, this is the Kingdom, you
have nothing to prove just open the door and let the love out.
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Amen bro. Be strong and wise against the attack and the snare of the enemy.
John 3:34 For the one whom God has sent speaks the words of God, for God gives the Spirit without limit.

John 8:47 He who belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.”

New International Version 1984 1 Peter 5:8-11 Be self-controlled and alert. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour. Resist him, standing firm in the faith, because you know that your brothers throughout the world are undergoing the same kind of sufferings. And the God of all grace, who called you to his eternal glory in Christ, after you have suffered a little while, will himself restore you and make you strong, firm and steadfast. To him be the power for ever and ever. Amen.
And just a verse to ponder regarding the WALK.

John 13:10-17 Jesus answered, “A person who has had a bath needs only to wash his feet; his whole body is clean. And you are clean, though not every one of you.” For he knew who was going to betray him, and that was why he said not every one was clean. When he had finished washing their feet, he put on his clothes and returned to his place. “Do you understand what I have done for you?” he asked them. “You call me ‘Teacher’ and ‘Lord,’ and rightly so, for that is what I am. Now that I, your Lord and Teacher, have washed your feet, you also should wash one another’s feet. I have set you an example that you should do as I have done for you. I tell you the truth, no servant is greater than his master, nor is a messenger greater than the one who sent him. Now that you know these things, you will be blessed if you do them.
 
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NoNameMcgee

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NoNameMcgee said:
can you point to where it says that?

before i rebuttle ill do studies

because i get the exact opposite and there are examples of people like job or john the baptist

Jesus said go and sin NO more not some more

those who sins are servants to it

no man can serve two masters


im not trying to be a heel im serious here

im under the impression what your are saying is against scripture

i can probably find 20+ verses that oppose what you say here


it sounds to me like youre saying all things ARENT possible through christ who strengthens us


now im not sinless

but based on scripture i expect to be if i can die to myself and live for Jesus
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i said id wait to rebuttle haha

instead i kinda did a poor one in defense

i imagine youre going to say
romans
and 1st john?


ill study tomorrow

you dont need to reply to me

im not going to study to "rebuttle" or prove anything


maybe point out a few chapters to add

im going to ask God to guide me through this and see what he wants me to see out of it
 
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dcontroversal said:
Bro....you will never be completely sinless until you have a glorified body.....the bible is clear...those who claim to be sinless are lying....Paul, John amd even JESUS covers this....while there were saved, immeresed Apostles whi had the ability to raise the dead, cure the sick and cast out devils he said there is NONE GOOD BUT GOD....YES...in Jesus we can suppress and manage most sins, but to be completely sinless is false....John was clear...he used WE, WE, WE, AND US to describe ALL who say they HAVE NO SIN IN THE PRESENT TENSE!
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in Jesus we can suppress and manage most sins, but to be completely sinless is false

This is a statement of unbelief. Who on earth can be so definitive?
I do not mind people saying their experience is x, they struggle with y,
but to say something is false about what Christ has done and what he
offers through the cross is flawed is pure unbelief.

Listen to Jesus, dear reader and not to these false teachers and those who
fail and pour scorn on the love of Christ

Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they will be filled.
Matt 5:6

seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well.
Matt 6:33

Now evil people will always defend their evil deeds, and claim those who talk about purity
are worse sinners, because they are just liars, while the sinners preaching are speaking
honestly while sinning their lives away.

Sin is death, it is evil, it destroys the soul, it brings death to the heart of man and destroys
families, relationships and lives.

Yet Christ and the cross could not conquer it in the lives of believers. Well satan would love
you to believe this, because he hates righteousness and love, because he knows God and His
heart, and the argument is, will people see Christ and the cross and understand this is the hope
the light in a dark place, burning brightly and cannot be exstinguished.

Rich or poor, love is what we want and what we want to share. Dreams of success and glory
are just that, it is the relationships we have around us that matter, knowing joy in need, comfort
in hurt, success in ones efforts, healing where damage has occurred.

Jesus is saying, you do not need to compromise, eternal love is here, the Lord of all is the
reference point. Though many will lie to you, struggle, get lost, hide, the realities remain the
same, will you believe Christ and His people?
 
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NoNameMcgee

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i want to add a p.s.

dcon
im not trying to speak with authority...

i was speaking as someone who isnt all knowing
and have preconcieved notions

i hate the idea of me being against scripture

i was being honest with my CURRENT understandings

and hope no one here views me as a teacher


im but a student

a freshmen at that
 
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So PeterJens have you obtained sinless perfection or is it a goal you hope to have in the future?

If you don't obtain it before dying, will you go to hell?
 
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Ariel82 said:
So PeterJens have you obtained sinless perfection or is it a goal you hope to have in the future?

If you don't obtain it before dying, will you go to hell?
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Ariel - I do not know what sinless perfection is so I cannot have achieved what I do not know.

What I have learnt in life, is we are totally subjective and are called just to bow the knee to
our King and walk in His ways. Many will come saying you cannot have this or that, when it
is up to the Lord what He gives us and how far we walk. Only a fool would talk against God
after knowing what He can do.

I have always been amazed at people from tribal situations have understood more about
love and the living God than so called civilised educated westerners who think they know the
limits of what can be achieved but merely testify to the hardness of their hearts.

Israel were always limited because they were stiff necked and had hard hearts.

So Ariel, all you manage to come to me with is just a empty question, when I bring you hope.
Why do you doubt and limit what God can do in people who believe His word?

Maybe people are fine about miracles, and moving mountains, but cleansing the human heart
is impossible? What a farce.
 
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Ariel82

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The question is only empty because you don't understand the warning behind it.
 
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No one here is even teaching sinless perfection. We CANNOT be perfect mortals in an fallen world. Only JESUS is sinless. WE ARE still just human sinful mortals..
 
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Sinless perfection will NEVER happen, not on this earth.

We will only gain sinless perfection when we get to heaven.

Sinful human mortals cannot be sinless in a fallen world.
 
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NoNameMcgee

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shoot ill grab it from google brb -_-
 
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Luke 13

13 There were present at that season some that told him of the Galilaeans, whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices.

2 And Jesus answering said unto them, Suppose ye that these Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans, because they suffered such things?

3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

4 Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem?

5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

6 He spake also this parable; A certain man had a fig tree planted in his vineyard; and he came and sought fruit thereon, and found none.

7 Then said he unto the dresser of his vineyard, Behold, these three years I come seeking fruit on this fig tree, and find none: cut it down; why cumbereth it the ground?

8 And he answering said unto him, Lord, let it alone this year also, till I shall dig about it, and dung it:

9 And if it bear fruit, well: and if not, then after that thou shalt cut it down.

10 And he was teaching in one of the synagogues on the sabbath.

11 And, behold, there was a woman which had a spirit of infirmity eighteen years, and was bowed together, and could in no wise lift up herself.

12 And when Jesus saw her, he called her to him, and said unto her, Woman, thou art loosed from thine infirmity.

13 And he laid his hands on her: and immediately she was made straight, and glorified God.
 
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NoNameMcgee

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i kinda feel this is relevant.... maybe im wrong

we will perish if we dont repent

and if we put our faith in him

he can make us right
 
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All true. BUT even if we do have faith in Him, we DO still slip up sometimes and sin..


NoNameMcgee said:
i kinda feel this is relevant.... maybe im wrong

we will perish if we dont repent

and if we put our faith in him

he can make us right
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