Not By Works
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I am an evangelical charismatic christian.
I believe in repenting of our sins, confessing our sins to Christ and asking for forgiveness through the cross.
I trust in Christ and His death on the cross for the forgiveness of my sins
I believe in the baptism of the Holy Spirit and His ministry in my life
I believe we can walk in righteousness, holiness and purity
I believe in the authority of scripture as our highest authority
I believe the Holy Spirit guides us, convicts us of sin and helps us in our
daily lives.
I believe we are predistined before time to be in the Kingdom of heaven
I believe in faith we bring heaven to earth in walking by the Spirit
I believe are hearts are born in love and get closed down by hurt
I believe Christ opens us up through His words and gives us communion which
empowers our walk with Him to abide daily, hourly through hard and good times
I believe the sermon on the mount applies to us now, and we need to obey and follow Jesus in everything.
I believe we have the assurance of salvation through the presence of the Holy Spirit ministering to our spirits.
I believe when we are born again, we are total new creations with the potential to walk in the Kingdom of heaven which we then need to exercise.
I believe we are remade through obedience and sanctification in our walk with the Lord, the old being remade into the new.
Above all love should rule our hearts in righteousness and justice.
Hope this helps, God bless
A lot of good stuff mixed with dashes of incomprehensible toppings.
One thing I didn't hear, and maybe just an oversight on your part, is that you believe Jesus is God Himself in the flesh.
Do you believe that?
A common idea, is when someone makes a statement, it is assumed to mean
what the reader assumes it to mean. After much experience here and people who
read in miles to much in, it is important to clarify what people actually mean.
I have noticed some claim to speak on behalf of everyone else rather than
just themselves. Odd behaviour when we are just individuals here.
If one assumes something that is wrong, if one asks that is wrong. I suspect
for some being present is wrong lol
what the reader assumes it to mean. After much experience here and people who
read in miles to much in, it is important to clarify what people actually mean.
I have noticed some claim to speak on behalf of everyone else rather than
just themselves. Odd behaviour when we are just individuals here.
If one assumes something that is wrong, if one asks that is wrong. I suspect
for some being present is wrong lol
The reason I said earlier that I'm not sure if these works people are lost is because of the prodigal son parable.
The younger son THOUGHT that he had lost his sonship (salvation). In his case because of his actions (sins). Maybe the reverse is true as well.
The older son was angry that the younger was welcomed home. HE had done all the work required to keep his sonship.
So maybe these works to maintain salvation people, that have confessed Jesus as Lord, and believe in their heart that God the Father raised Him from the grave, are like the older son,
I don't know. I could be wrong. But I DO know that we need to love them regardless.
The younger son THOUGHT that he had lost his sonship (salvation). In his case because of his actions (sins). Maybe the reverse is true as well.
The older son was angry that the younger was welcomed home. HE had done all the work required to keep his sonship.
So maybe these works to maintain salvation people, that have confessed Jesus as Lord, and believe in their heart that God the Father raised Him from the grave, are like the older son,
I don't know. I could be wrong. But I DO know that we need to love them regardless.
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Ariel82
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Yeah... I think it can work that way to. But the point is if they believe the Gospel, and have accepted Jesus, then they aren't lost. Just walking in the flesh and not the Spirit.
Not really sure what you are saying here.
I can't see how one can have a faith that is rejected based on a walk that has no reference to God.
If that's the case then to me it's two fold.
They have faith in a god but do not have faith in Jesus as the son of God.
The idea of loving someone causes confusion? Most damaged people fall into this category and that includes genuine beleivers in Jesus.
This is where we as beleivers should be willing to get our hands dirty. Loving both camps as much as God loves Jesus, as much as Jesus loves us. We must remember also that Jesus tells us that God loves us as much as him.
A person who genuinely believes in Jesus and has confessed faith but is very badly hurt and emotionally damaged is more likely to guard their hearts and not chance love, with others and with God.
Then what happens they do works to earn approval and not as a result of approval, both from man and from God.
I am a prime example of this, but God kept chipping away, through his word and precious genuine Godly spirit filled people.
Just become someone's heart doesn't come to life with a view to love doesn't mean they have rejected faith.
In fact i would reckon that they have faith for getting into heaven with God saying as he clips them round the ears
"Oh well I suppose I had better let you in, you good for nothing. I'm only letting you in because of Jesus"
They have no idea that God loves them as much as he loves Jesus.
Love conquers all but if one does not have a concept of love then life and the Christian walk will be very hard indeed.
We truly need walk in the love that God has for us to see broke, damaged and hurting people set free to come to the place of faith in God and unconditional acceptance of them.
Then they we set free through the power of Jesus to enjoy an loving fruitful walk with Jesus.
God does that... replaces our heart of stone with one of flesh... gives us the desires of our hearts... changes us by putting a new Spirit in us... changes what we desire... this has been pointed out to you before... why do you keep rejecting it?
naa didnt do for me sorry...but nice enough aaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrreeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
A common idea, is when someone makes a statement, it is assumed to mean
what the reader assumes it to mean. After much experience here and people who
read in miles to much in, it is important to clarify what people actually mean.
I have noticed some claim to speak on behalf of everyone else rather than
just themselves. Odd behaviour when we are just individuals here.
If one assumes something that is wrong, if one asks that is wrong. I suspect
for some being present is wrong lol
Which is why we need to be very careful before we respond to an individual post.
Lets be honest given this post is 431 pages long that is a lot of posts.
Given that there are posters who have made many many posts (of which I am one) I would have thought that we woukd have an inkling of how they may interpret what we are saying. Paradigms get in the way.
We need to say what we mean to say in a way that firstly firstly does not but heckles up and in a way that doesn't need clarifying because we clarify it before posting.
To me it's engaging rather than accusing and name calling and going at each other.
There have been a few posts where people have felt that because someone disagrees then the person who is disagreeing is saying to the other person you are not a genuine believer and is going to hell.
Yet this is not what the other person is saying but they haven't clarified that.
So if a person has stated that they feel your saying this and this is what they are hearing when responding to a post we need to ensure that is not what we are saying.
Its been mentioned on here a few times about the foundation of Christ and what is then built on that. Works tested and useless works burnt but salvation safe.
What i I find intersting is that those who believe this have asked for those who don't believer this as to reasons why. Yet no answer is forthcoming. If there has been I have obviously missed it.
Have you got his Rememberance (Communion Song)?
[video]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1F2WAGVOEOo[/video]
Magenta if you wouldn't mind
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Ariel82
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Mainly because they have ignored that scripture or won't admit it says that if your foundation is in Christ and even if your works are hay and stubble that God will save the person from the fire.
Or they just want to fight about works and it's not really about the salvation at all. Its about their beliefs and being right.