O'Reilly is GONE!
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I was being a little facetious about the "you look lovely today" comment needing an adjective before the word lovely. I don't think telling a woman she looks beautiful is bad at all, it's quite nice. Social situations are different from work, of course.
Also, I think I expressed that if a low man on the totem pole or an equal made a remark, most women who didn't like it could just "shrug it off".
My problem with why it is wrong is because it is coming from the big money man. If she didn't like it and felt that something might be implied, she might have felt she could not complain as the company would take big money man's side over hers. After all, she doesn't rake in the millions for the network. He probably had immunity. It sounds like Ailes was all about harassing women, too.
I doubt O'Reilly could have been reprimanded. I don't know that he wanted anything from her, maybe he didn't. Then again, maybe he did. Or he might have considered the women there as "his girls" and he could say what he liked and get away with it. After all, he was the big money man.
I rather think it might be the third scenario. He is the big boss and immune- what is Fox going to do, fire their most valuable player? So he just says what he likes and the women have to endure it.
Also, I think I expressed that if a low man on the totem pole or an equal made a remark, most women who didn't like it could just "shrug it off".
My problem with why it is wrong is because it is coming from the big money man. If she didn't like it and felt that something might be implied, she might have felt she could not complain as the company would take big money man's side over hers. After all, she doesn't rake in the millions for the network. He probably had immunity. It sounds like Ailes was all about harassing women, too.
I doubt O'Reilly could have been reprimanded. I don't know that he wanted anything from her, maybe he didn't. Then again, maybe he did. Or he might have considered the women there as "his girls" and he could say what he liked and get away with it. After all, he was the big money man.
I rather think it might be the third scenario. He is the big boss and immune- what is Fox going to do, fire their most valuable player? So he just says what he likes and the women have to endure it.
You could be correct about the 3rd scenario.... but... they DID fire him, so, there's that.... perhaps a reprimand would have been effective.. perhaps not. We likely will never know, now.
Obviously we are seeing this from two differing perspectives... I hate to say the man's side and the woman's side, but, in this case, that's the way it is....
You see it from the perspective of a woman being "hit on"... and I can see that as well. What I don't see, from what little I know about it, is that it was said in the "harassment" sense.
I see it from the perspective of a man that has been unjustly accused of something by a couple of women.... not sexual harassment, but racial bias. I worked with a couple of Hispanic women (about 30 yrs ago), and had a really good relationship with both of them. We got along great, when we were "equals"... operators in a manufacturing facility. I got a slight promotion to lead operator, and was tasked with sort of keeping tabs on what was being run, and how we were progressing on it each day. After about a week or two of that, I started getting attitude from both of them, and when I tried to discuss it with them, they pulled the old race card.... "you're just doing that because we're Hispanic" kind of thing. It was totally unjustified, and it really, well, it hurt my feelings, to put it bluntly. I had always been color/gender blind in my dealing with people (still am) and I was pretty upset that all of my fair, unbiased behavior up until that point went out the window, simply because I was a "white guy in charge". I suppose I tend to lean toward the "accused" person's side now, unless there's genuine proof, because I've been through that type of thing. It's no fun being accused of something that you are innocent of.
I'd like to think that O'Reilly is just guilty of bad judgment in his compliments, and the victim of someone that is trying to "get over on him", whether for fame, or financial gain.
As I've said before, though, I'm certainly willing to listen to any and all actual proof that he was truly harassing his employees... if he was, then his dismissal was justified. If not, then he was simply railroaded out of political correctness.
Obviously we are seeing this from two differing perspectives... I hate to say the man's side and the woman's side, but, in this case, that's the way it is....
You see it from the perspective of a woman being "hit on"... and I can see that as well. What I don't see, from what little I know about it, is that it was said in the "harassment" sense.
I see it from the perspective of a man that has been unjustly accused of something by a couple of women.... not sexual harassment, but racial bias. I worked with a couple of Hispanic women (about 30 yrs ago), and had a really good relationship with both of them. We got along great, when we were "equals"... operators in a manufacturing facility. I got a slight promotion to lead operator, and was tasked with sort of keeping tabs on what was being run, and how we were progressing on it each day. After about a week or two of that, I started getting attitude from both of them, and when I tried to discuss it with them, they pulled the old race card.... "you're just doing that because we're Hispanic" kind of thing. It was totally unjustified, and it really, well, it hurt my feelings, to put it bluntly. I had always been color/gender blind in my dealing with people (still am) and I was pretty upset that all of my fair, unbiased behavior up until that point went out the window, simply because I was a "white guy in charge". I suppose I tend to lean toward the "accused" person's side now, unless there's genuine proof, because I've been through that type of thing. It's no fun being accused of something that you are innocent of.
I'd like to think that O'Reilly is just guilty of bad judgment in his compliments, and the victim of someone that is trying to "get over on him", whether for fame, or financial gain.
As I've said before, though, I'm certainly willing to listen to any and all actual proof that he was truly harassing his employees... if he was, then his dismissal was justified. If not, then he was simply railroaded out of political correctness.
Oh, Susanna (
I've always wanted to say that...)
I imagine you will be a very attractive grandma... you need to post pics with the new grand child, of course...
and, CONGRATULATIONS! Grand kids are aptly named... they are WAY better than kids....
Prepare for a pretty good taste of heaven on earth...
I've always wanted to say that...)I imagine you will be a very attractive grandma... you need to post pics with the new grand child, of course...
and, CONGRATULATIONS! Grand kids are aptly named... they are WAY better than kids....
Prepare for a pretty good taste of heaven on earth...
My experience in the work place (I was project manager) speaks for itself. I always recognized nicely (professionally) dressed workers. During my first week on the job, one woman was exceptionally well dressed. I told her that she really looked great. The next day most of the office workers were better dressed. I thought I had walked into the wrong office. On the other side of the coin, I would have fired any manager, supervisor or worker who called a man or woman "Hot" anything. The workplace is not the local tavern.