Hebrews 6:4-6 - not at it seems...
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What do you mean it is all law? It is established that I BELIEVE in Messiah Yeshua and because you say I don't because of your in belief you condemn me! ROM 8 there is therefore now on condemnation to those who are in Messiah, Yeshua,
And vs. 6 6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
Don't be fooled there is one law and two ways to keep it and we are called by the spirit to keep it. It becomes no longer law with condemnation it has been filled with life giving spirit to those who walk in the way and is loving instruction. So yes there is no condemnation in Messiah, you however once come to the knowledge of Messiah have not loved him because you don't do as Messiah does for example. Sanctification comes through obedience. To what you say because you are already condemned and having no peace you attack attempting to move the unmovable faith of Elohim and Messiah. You having not tasted the Instruction of Elohim Messiah think you understand? No it is not Only law I preach it is the cross and resurrection of Messiah as well as all He teaches us in His Instruction for our benefit.
HAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAH this would be so laughable if not so tragically hypocritical....
Never said that or implied that...and this even further proves how deceptive you are.......
Originally Posted by Chris1975Unscriptural. Please post scriptures proving that our unbelief can lead to salvation.
MY POST....show where I said what you implied....man.....you are very, very deceptive.....
NOTHING = NOT ONE THING
IF we believe NOT, he ABIDES FAITHFUL because HE CANNOT DENY HIMSELF <---THIS is SPOKEN and directed at BELIEVERS and falls under the banner of
NOTHING (NOT ONE THING) can separate us from the LOVE of CHRIST and HE WILL FINISH what HE STARTED!
SEE...the problem is simple....you cannot honestly address the word NOTHING as applied above....why....because it destroys and negates your ideology......end of story!
I asked the question: Unbelief can separate you from Christ. Would you agree or disagree?
You answered as follows in the first line: IF we believe NOT, he ABIDES FAITHFUL because HE CANNOT DENY HIMSELF <---THIS is SPOKEN and directed at BELIEVERS
To which I responded: That's not scriptural. Please show me in the bible where it says that.
To which you rehash the message again.
I am asking where you got the statement: If we believe Not, he abides faithful. ?
So let me simplify this for you. A simple AGREE or DISAGREE answer this this question ok?
Unbelief can separate you from Christ. Would you agree or disagree?
You have this correct! They cannot see it. Because its not opened to them that they may see it. It's a work of Grace that you understand it.
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FreeNChrist
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You do not sanctify yourself any more than you justify yourself. Justification is objective – Christ’s work for us. Sanctification is subjective – Christ’s work within us. It's ALL of Him.
I have stopped following up these empty accusations that dc, eg, gb9 invent.
Most times it is just for show, and some posing.
On the idea of unbelief, they hold because all sin is forgiven, future as well as past
the only unforgivable sin is unbelief which separates them from Christ and sends them
to hell. Trouble is a believer can never fall into unbelief, or it is mysteriously cancelled
out because of prior belief.
So you may not ever get an answer because it is a problem they have not thought
through.
Most times it is just for show, and some posing.
On the idea of unbelief, they hold because all sin is forgiven, future as well as past
the only unforgivable sin is unbelief which separates them from Christ and sends them
to hell. Trouble is a believer can never fall into unbelief, or it is mysteriously cancelled
out because of prior belief.
So you may not ever get an answer because it is a problem they have not thought
through.
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FreeNChrist
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Believers, by definition, believe. Unbelievers are separated from God, not believers.
Not going to engage in ongoing argument with you. I will continue to hold you in prayer that God will open the eyes of your understanding concerning this issue.Chris1975 said:
You are wrong. Obedience is a choice. If you love me you will obey me, says the Lord. He doesn't obey FOR US. By His blood we are now FREE TO OBEY HIM BY THE POWER OF THE SPIRIT. Our cooperation is needed. He provides the power. We co-operate by our free will choice. If YOU by the SPIRIT put to death the misdeeds of the body you will live.
Look it up...
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Good. Pray for me. Don't forget to pray for yourself as well. I put up a prayer thread last night. We should all be praying.
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FreeNChrist
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Well, that you think you sanctify yourself is obviously the root of your confusion.
By not understanding YOUR role in this, you are stuck in confusion.
We are to be DOERS of the Word, not merely Hearers.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves. [SUP]23 [/SUP]For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man observing his natural face in a mirror; [SUP]24 [/SUP]for he observes himself, goes away, and immediately forgets what kind of man he was. [SUP]25 [/SUP]But he who looks into the perfect law of liberty and continues in it, and is not a forgetful hearer but a doer of the work, this one will be blessed in what he does.
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FreeNChrist
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The true “doers” are easily evident because they are the ones who are always pointing others to Jesus. He is what they speak about. He is where their emphasis is. He is their focus. They are the ones who are working the works of Christ. They are the obedient ones. They are the righteous ones. They are the doers of The Word.
You are missing the point of the thread to this point. We are talking about Believers who have fallen away. Hebrews 6v4-6 remember. So my question is an OSAS one. The question was directed to DCONT. Read the thread buildup. Then comment.
Let's let the bible interpret this:
[SUP]21 [/SUP]“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. [SUP]22 [/SUP]Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ [SUP]23 [/SUP]And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’
Someone who practices lawlessness (sin) is not a doer of the word.
Sanctification (Holiness) is a result of living in obedience to the Word of God.
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FreeNChrist
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You're all over the map. Being a doer of the Word is not usurping Him by taking His place and trying to do for yourself what only He can do in you and through you.
There is a logical leap of meaning here.
If someone asks you to lay the table for food, you are not usurping the asker by doing
what they have requested, you are submitting to their instruction.
The boundary between justification and obedience has been blurred in these peoples minds.
If Christ commands us to do something, we do it because we love Him. By walking in
disobedience is sin, but obedience is somehow earning ones salvation, rather than just
following and walking in the relationship. There is a fascination about sub dividing
everything, and every action must be done for the right reasons and motives or it is sinful.
It invents a whole form of legalism and morality that was never there before and the Lord
never instituted, but get this wrong and you are doing evil. But not evil to send you to hell
but evil that will be burnt up at judgement. This is where they spend their energy, learning
the right rules for everything, except it is extra biblical, but definately not self justification, lol.