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seed_time_harvest

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Billyd said:
We could make a serious dent in the false filing with a law requiring the plaintiff to pay the legal fees of the defendant when the plaintiff loses the suit.
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Gotta be fair though,If the defendant Is rich,they should be penelized If they lose,hopefully money goes to a charity of the plaintiffs choosing.
 
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seed_time_harvest said:
Gotta be fair though,If the defendant Is rich,they should be penelized If they lose,hopefully money goes to a charity of the plaintiffs choosing.
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If the defendant loses, he should pay court costs, and plaintiff's legal fees, along with what ever the plaintiff is awarded in damages. It's up to the plaintiff where he puts what he is awarded.
 
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seed_time_harvest said:
Gotta be fair though,If the defendant Is rich,they should be penelized If they lose,hopefully money goes to a charity of the plaintiffs choosing.
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Whats fair about penalizing someone because of their wealth?
 
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seed_time_harvest

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Billyd said:
If the defendant loses, he should pay court costs, and plaintiff's legal fees, along with what ever the plaintiff is awarded in damages. It's up to the plaintiff where he puts what he is awarded.
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:pDon't be so law minded,be righteous minded.
 
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seed_time_harvest said:
Gotta be fair though,If the defendant Is rich,they should be penelized If they lose,hopefully money goes to a charity of the plaintiffs choosing.
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What am I missing here? If a defendant is guilty are they not already penalized under the law? If you bring false claims against a person you should be punished. If the defendant is guilty they are punished under the law already.
 
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seed_time_harvest

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Tommy379 said:
Whats fair about penalizing someone because of their wealth?
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Because If they have wealth and they do something wrong to someone,penalizing them the same way you would to someone that doesn't have much would not hurt them much because they are rich.:)
 
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seed_time_harvest said:
Because If they have wealth and they do something wrong to someone,penalizing them the same way you would to someone that doesn't have much would not hurt them much because they are rich.:)
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Laws are equal, remember,justice is blind....
 
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seed_time_harvest

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kaylagrl said:

He is,we dont punish people because they have money. Thats a secular idea from socialism/communism which go hand in hand.
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:)I feel slow minded right now because Im not sure what you are saying,read my post again.:)
 
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seed_time_harvest said:
:)I feel slow minded right now because Im not sure what you are saying,read my post again.:)
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Maybe Id better ask...Are you saying people with money should be punished differently or harsher?
 
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seed_time_harvest said:
Because If they have wealth and they do something wrong to someone,penalizing them the same way you would to someone that doesn't have much would not hurt them much because they are rich.:)
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I would have to agree with Seed here. If I was rich, and knew I could get away with sexual harassment by only being fined a few hundred bucks each time (as the court might normally fine an average person), I would never worry too much about being found guilty... even a hundred times.

We have no problem with rich corporations being fined huge sums, (multiple millions) far more than the average person would be fined for the same offence (such as a slippery floor or loose carpeting in my small Mom & Pop store), so why should an individual with millions to burn be only find a few thousand?

But, I also feel that big fine should go to a charity (no write off) rather than an individual getting rich because their feelings got hurt a little.
 
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seed_time_harvest said:
Because If they have wealth and they do something wrong to someone,penalizing them the same way you would to someone that doesn't have much would not hurt them much because they are rich.:)
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I don't think you understand what a tort is. Maybe you should google it. No one is found guilty or innocent in a tort case. The kind of legal case involving Bill O'Reilly or anyone else concerning sexual harassment is a tort. No where in the United States is it a crime to coment on womans appearance or ask another person for sex.

In a tort, the plaintiff must show the defendant had a duty, breached the duty, that caused an injury to the plaintiff. That injury to the plaintiff is going to be quantified into a monetary value. The monetary value of the injury to the plaintiff is the same regardless of the wealth of the defendant.

Now on to punitive damages. Some jurisdictions allow for it, many don't. In all cases, compensation for the injury must be determined first. In a tort, the fact finder only needs to find a preponderance of the evidence to make a judgement. Many jurisdictions that allow for punitive awards, require a higher standard of proof from the evidence. Even if the case involves suche behavior that warrants punitive damages, the wealth of the defendant should not matter.

I just think seed time harvest may be an old school communist that has a hatred for the successful.
 
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Tommy379 said:
I don't think you understand what a tort is. Maybe you should google it.
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Here is what I found when I googled it :)

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Would you like some tea with that torte?

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I think the Military has the right way about fines. They usually fine with a forfeiture of "x" number of month's income.

For me, that might be $5,000.

For a richer man, it might be $900,000.
 
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The way to fix it is to shut off the tv. Seems that very few have the integrity to get that done.
 
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Willie-T said:
I think the Military has the right way about fines. They usually fine with a forfeiture of "x" number of month's income.

For me, that might be $5,000.

For a richer man, it might be $900,000.
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Seedtime agrees with you because seedtime harbors the sin of envy. That way, seedtime can decide who or what equates to being "rich".
 
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