The Law of Moses Has Not Been Abolished

valiant · Apr 25, 2017

The Law was not abolished, it was established. It was fulfilled in Jesus Christ.

By His fulfilling of it He has made possible for us to be declared righteous with His righteousness.

We are therefore no longer 'under the Law' or 'judged by the Law. We are righteous with His righteousness.

That is the basis for our justification before God.

Magenta · Apr 25, 2017

Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.

Yahshua · Apr 25, 2017

I agree, everything in the law is not accomplished. Not yet anyway. When Christ and God are living with us on earth that's when everything will be accomplished. The specific work Christ had to do during his first visitation (i.e. the cross) was "finished". But there's still a bit left to be done, outlined in the fall feasts (Leviticus) and detailed in the book of Revelation, so I'll say it's "still being fulfilled".

Even for us to say that Christ is working in us to perfect us is saying that Christ's work hasn't finished to fulfill Ezekiel 36:27...

Christ's working in us so that we love God with all of our being, and to love our neighbor as ourselves, both laws originating from the "OT".

^ The two greatest commandments Christ gave weren't new commandments at all but were from God's Law all along. Christ was quoting the law of Moses. And if Christ hasn't yet accomplished this in us fully just yet, then all the law hasn't yet been accomplished. But the fact that we know Christ is moving us to follow these two laws begs a few questions to consider...

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- If we as Christians say we follow Christ and his two greatest commandments, then aren't we following the law of Moses, since Moses wrote them?

- If we do follow Christ's two greatest commandments, which are written in the Law of Moses, then doesn't that bring to question the requirement to follow the rest of God's commandments (since we can't be partial with God's law)?

- And if we say we're not supposed to follow any command in the law of Moses anymore, then doesn't that mean we can't possibly follow the two greatest commandments Christ gave either (since they were also written by Moses in the law)?

So it's not as simple to say "the 1st covenant is the law of Moses", and that "the new covenant is not the law of Moses". What was abolished wasn't the law but the enmity we had for God.

And what was taken away of the law were the elements of the ministration of death (sacrifices, etc) and the weakness of the letter/tablet that prefigured Christ's work in heaven and in us by the Holy Spirit, to write the law in it's true form (on our hearts).

Thus we are still expected to keep the commandments of God (with Christ's strength, of course) as well as faith in Christ's work like Revelation says.

Grace777x70 · Apr 25, 2017

Here is a short 5 minute video for those interested in that subject talking about what did Jesus mean when He said the law will not pass away "until" all is fulfilled?

[video=youtube;L6NrApnV8dI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6NrApnV8dI[/video]

valiant · Apr 25, 2017

Yahshua said:

It was our pedagogue to lead us to Christ,. After it has done so we are no longer 'under the Law.'

God and Christ will never live with us on earth. In 'the new earth' we will be spirit beings and no longer need the Law.

Once and for all time. Totally completed.

There is nothing left to be done. Our righteousness is His righteousness.

totally untrue.

With Christ working in us to perfect us, we do not need the Law. We are under His law.

But Christ working in us produces that WITHOUT the help of the Law.

He does not want us to 'obey that Law'. He is producing greater than the Law. We will not do this because we are required to do so, but because we want to do so.

He is not moving us to follow these laws, rather He is producing spontaneous love within us. The Laws are not required.
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But we do not follow the two great commandments, we follow HIM

We are above the commandments contained in the Law of Moses. We do not strive to keep them. Rather His love dwells within us and the result is that we love God and our neighbour because He leads us to do so.

We are no longer bound by those laws. Rather we are under the law to Christ. God help me if I try to achieve them myself, which is what obedience to the Law requires. No. I follow Christ and He leads me in the way of love..

The Law was not abolished, it was fulfilled. Christ fulfilled it on our behalf. It is not for us to take it up again, but for us to live in the love of Christ precisely because the enmity is gone.

What was taken away was any idea of observing the Law. The law being written in our hearts confirms that fact. We obey HIM because God wrote in our hearts His love which was greater than the Law. We do not love him out of obedience to any law, but out of the love that He has wrought in us,

God save us from trying to keep those laws. God does not expect us to 'obey them', but to love Him spontaneously.

Grandpa · Apr 25, 2017

jaybird88 said:

How does a sheep follow a shepherd?

Do they need to walk on 2 legs and carry that curved staff thingy? Emulating their shepherd?

No. It is impossible for them. It is enough for them to be in the presence of the shepherd and look to him for their provision and protection.

christig · Apr 25, 2017

Locutus said:

So you're saying the new heavens and new earth has been fulfilled?

Grace777x70 · Apr 25, 2017

Here is a great article that speaks about what is written on our hearts now that we are in Christ. I like to use this website as it has at the bottom a place where you can ask questions and sometimes I learn from that area a lot.

The Law Written on Our Hearts is not the Ten Commandments

This is the covenant I will make with them after that time,” says the Lord. “I will put my laws in their hearts, and I will write them on their minds.” (Heb 10:16)

“This is obviously a reference to the law of Moses,” says the law-preacher. “The Ten Commandments were written in stone, now they’re written in the hearts and minds of God’s people.”

Not true. Here are seventeen reasons why God has not written the Ten Commandments on your heart:

1. The law inflames sin (Rom 5:20) and the strength of sin is the law (1 Cor 15:56). Why would God want to stir up sin in your life?

2. The law condemns (2 Cor 3:9), yet there is no condemnation to those in Christ.

3. The law ministers death (2 Cor 3:7), but God wants you to enjoy abundant life.

4. Law and grace don’t mix. You are under grace, not law (Rom 6:14).

5. Living by the law will alienate you from Christ (Gal 5:4).

6. Living by the law is cheating on Jesus (Rom 7:1-6). Why would God do anything to encourage spiritual adultery?

7. We’re to live by faith but the law is not of faith (Gal 3:12). The law encourages us to depend on ourselves instead of Jesus.

8. Those who live under the law are under a curse (Gal 3:10). Why would God curse those he has blessed?

9. The law binds and enslaves (Rom 7:6), but Jesus wants you free.

10. The law keeps you immature for it makes nothing perfect or complete (Heb 7:19).

11. We have died to the law so that we may serve in the new way of the Spirit and “not in the old way of the written code” (Rom 7:6).

12. When there has been a change of priesthood, the law must be changed also (Heb 7:12). For God to write the old law on our hearts would be like saying Aaron is greater than Jesus.

13. God found fault with the law-keeping covenant and made it obsolete (Heb 8:7,13). Why would God insult his Son’s sacrifice by giving you the very thing his sacrifice rendered obsolete?

14. The law is a shadow of the good things to come and not the reality (Heb 10:1). Why would God give you the shadow instead of “the good thing”?

15. The Jews considered the law to be ordained by angels (Heb 2:2). If so, says the author of Hebrews, then it is inferior to the gospel of Jesus (Heb 1:4). Why would God give you an inferior gift?

16. Some Christians think that God gives them the law as a guide to live by, but why would God want you to repeat the mistake of the Galatians (Gal 3:2)? Why would God do anything to make you fall from grace?

17. The old law-keeping covenant required an accounting or remembering of sin, but the new covenant is characterized by God forgiving and forgetting on account of Jesus (Heb 10:17). If the law that God writes in our hearts is the law of Moses, then Jesus died for nothing.

If God has written the Ten Commandments on your heart and mind, you should be able to list all ten with no trouble. Can you? What’s the seventh commandment? You can’t do it because it’s not there, and a very good thing that is too! If the law that God writes in our hearts is the law of Moses, you’re in big trouble.

The good news is that God has written in us a far better law. What is this new and better law?

https://escapetoreality.org/2015/04/...-commandments/

Grandpa · Apr 25, 2017

Grace777x70 said:

It can be tricky when someone points to a scripture, such as the one that says I will put my laws in their hearts and write them in their minds. It sure seems like it is the Law of Moses that is written.

But its not a written code that is 'written'. It is the intent of that written code. It is Love that is 'written'. Gods Love.

1 John 4:10-19
[FONT=&quot]10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]11 Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]12 No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]13 Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]16 And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]17 Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]19 We love him, because he first loved us.[/FONT]

MadebyHim · Apr 25, 2017

Grandpa said:

[SUP]9 [/SUP]That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

[SUP]12 [/SUP]For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

[SUP]13 [/SUP]For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? Romans 10:9-14

But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God. Genesis 19:34

Yahshua · Apr 25, 2017

valiant said:

Revelation 21:2-3
I saw the holy city, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

valiant said:

MadebyHim · Apr 25, 2017

Embankment said:

Go back and do more reading God gave the strangers the law as well as the israelite.

Grandpa · Apr 25, 2017

MadebyHim said:

I'm not 100% sure what point you are trying to make here.

Some people have funny interpretations of what they think scripture means. I'm not saying your interpretation will be funny. Just saying that maybe that scripture is saying something in your mind that its not in mine.

jaybird88 · Apr 25, 2017

Grandpa said:

so if Jesus is not our example of how to live our life then who is?

MadebyHim · Apr 25, 2017

[SUP]3 [/SUP]If ye walk in my statutes, and keep my commandments, and do them;
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Then I will give you rain in due season, and the land shall yield her increase, and the trees of the field shall yield their fruit.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And your threshing shall reach unto the vintage, and the vintage shall reach unto the sowing time: and ye shall eat your bread to the full, and dwell in your land safely.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And I will give peace in the land, and ye shall lie down, and none shall make you afraid: and I will rid evil beasts out of the land, neither shall the sword go through your land.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And ye shall chase your enemies, and they shall fall before you by the sword.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]And five of you shall chase an hundred, and an hundred of you shall put ten thousand to flight: and your enemies shall fall before you by the sword.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]For I will have respect unto you, and make you fruitful, and multiply you, and establish my covenant with you.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And ye shall eat old store, and bring forth the old because of the new. Leviticus 26:3-10

MadebyHim · Apr 25, 2017

Grandpa said:

Was trying to show that God see's people the same, and He will not give one set of rules to one and not the other.

Grace777x70 · Apr 25, 2017

We can't be left hanging here about what or rather Who is written on our hearts now that we are in Christ.

What is this new law that is written on our hearts seeing as we know it's not the ten commandments in the form given in the Law.

What is this New Covenant that Ezekiel is prophesying about that was to come and now is here manifested in Christ's finished work on the cross and resurrection?

What is the Law Written on Our Hearts?

Six-hundred years before Jesus came, the prophet Jeremiah spoke of a new covenant that God would make with his people:

“This is the covenant I will make with the people of Israel after that time,” declares the Lord. “I will put my law in their minds and write it on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people. No longer will they teach their neighbor, or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’ because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest.” (Jer 31:33-34)

What is the law that God writes on our hearts and minds? Here are three things it is not:

It is not the law of Moses. As we saw in the last post, if God wrote the Ten Commandments on our hearts then Jesus died for nothing.

It is not a new and improved version of the law. It is not the new commands of Jesus or the New Testament. We cannot please God by keeping a new law any more than we could please him by keeping an old one.

It is not the knowledge of right and wrong that was bestowed upon us – against the Lord’s wishes – by Adam.

So what is this law that the Lord writes on our hearts and minds and embeds in our very being?

It is Christ Himself.

Let’s look at three things the New Testament says about the new law in our hearts.

1. The law of love

A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. (John 13:34)

Under the old law covenant, love was demanded from you. “Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind and strength.”

But under the new covenant of grace, love is given to you – “As I have loved you” – and out of the overflow of Christ’s measureless love we are able to love others.

How does it happen?

God’s love has been poured out into our hearts through the Holy Spirit, who has been given to us. (Rom 5:5)

God abundantly pours his love into our hearts by giving us the Holy Spirit, a.k.a. the Spirit of Christ. Do you see the difference between the old and new?

Under the old, the law was a rule for weak men to obey. Under the new, the Law is the Spirit of Christ given to us, loving us, and loving others through us.

Under the old, you loved others because you feared punishment. But under the new, you love because a Lover lives in you and it is his nature to love.

Under the old, you had to make an effort to obey. But under the new you have to make an effort to disobey. It’s a whole new way of life.

2. The law of the Spirit of life

It’s important that you understand the difference between the old law (a written code you can’t keep) and the new Law (Christ himself, living in you). Try and live by the old laws, as Paul did, and it make you miserable:

What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body that is subject to death? (Rom 7:24)

Paul couldn’t keep the old law no matter how hard he tried. He needed a new law and that new law is a Who:

Who will rescue me…? Thanks be to God, who delivers me through Jesus Christ our Lord. (Rom 7:24-25a)

Do you see? The old law is a what; the new law is a Who. The old law ministers condemnation and death (2 Cor 3:7-9), but the new “law of the Spirit gives life” (Rom 8:2).

For the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. (2 Cor 3:6)

Who gives life? Not a set of rules, but the Spirit of Christ within you. The new law is a Who.

3. The perfect law of liberty

James wrote of “the perfect law that gives freedom” (Jas 1:25), which can be contrasted with the law of Moses that binds (Rom 7:6).

What is the perfect law that gives freedom? Well, what is the implanted word that can save you (Jas 1:21)? It’s not the Ten Commandments or the Bible. It’s Jesus, the living Word who sets us free.

The perfect law of liberty describes what Jesus has done (perfectly fulfilled or completed the law) and the fruit he will bear in our lives (liberty) if we trust him.

But whoever looks intently into the perfect law that gives freedom, and continues in it – not forgetting what they have heard, but doing it – they will be blessed in what they do. (Jas 1:25)

Look into the mirror of Moses’ law and you will be miserable, for it exposes all your faults. But look into the perfect law which is Jesus and you will be blessed, for it reveals His righteousness.

“Don’t just listen but do what it (the perfect law of liberty) says” (Jas 1:22). In other words, allow the Spirit of Christ to convince you that in him you are righteous and holy.

Don’t walk away from the perfect law and forget who you are in Christ. Fix your eyes on Jesus. Look intently with an unveiled face and be transformed into his likeness.

The Law written in our hearts is Jesus

Jeremiah said those who had the new law written on their hearts would know the Lord and would no longer need others to teach them. This is describing your union with Christ. One with the Lord you have the mind of Christ (1 Cor 2:16). His Spirit dwells in you and teaches you all things (John 14:26).

The law of the Lord written into your members is your Father’s spiritual DNA. It is the seed of God birthed in you by the Holy Spirit. It’s Jesus Himself.

How do you know He’s there? Because you are a new creation with new hopes and desires. You no longer want to sin. Your desire is to love God and others and that desire has nothing to do with old rules written in stone.

Christian, you are who you are because Christ lives in you. He is the new law written, by God, in your heart and mind.

https://escapetoreality.org/2015/04/...on-our-hearts/

MadebyHim · Apr 25, 2017

[SUP]10 [/SUP]And ye shall eat old store, and bring forth the old because of the new.

Grandpa · Apr 25, 2017

jaybird88 said:

I don't think you were called to take away the sin of the world.

Maybe just be grateful and let God work in you instead of thinking you can do a better job by emulation.

Grandpa · Apr 25, 2017

MadebyHim said:

Roger.

I thought maybe you were trying to show that Christians should be attempting to keep the law of Moses by those scriptures.

I think that would be ignorance of what the New Testament is about.

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