Why im not a calvinist (but want to be)
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I knew the but's would appear...
Okay, let's go with your interpretation on the verse.
If God desires every person should come to repentance, is he incapable of bringing what he desires to happen? Because we read, "Our God is in the heavens; he does all that he pleases" (Ps. 115:3). You now have a condradiction. We both must agree that "whatever the Lord pleases, He does, In heaven and in earth, in the seas and in all deeps" (Ps. 135:6). Even Job said, "I know that you can do all things, and that no purpose of yours can be thwarted" (Job 42:2).
So what's going on?
No contradiction no problem. He desires all to be saved, but all are not saved because He has given us FREE WILL. (you can add Sovereignly chosen to give us free will, yall like the word sovereign so)
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How do you have free will when the Lord Jesus said, "Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who practices sin is a slave to sin" (John 8:34)? Slaves aren't free, Christ came to set us free from sin's dominion and power, but before that we are held captive and condemned in it.
no one has yet given me a verse from Scripture which says we have freewill.
We choose on the basis of our prejudices, upbringing, etc.
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Someone who opposes election explain to me this passage...
"So the Jews gathered around him and said to him, 'How long will you keep us in suspense? If you are the Christ, tell us plainly.' Jesus answered them, 'I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in my Father’s name bear witness about me, but you do not believe because you are not among my sheep. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand. I and the Father are one.'"
- John 10:24-30
Jesus could have said, "You are not among my sheep, because you do not believe." But instead he said, "You do not believe because you are not among my sheep."
"So the Jews gathered around him and said to him, 'How long will you keep us in suspense? If you are the Christ, tell us plainly.' Jesus answered them, 'I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in my Father’s name bear witness about me, but you do not believe because you are not among my sheep. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand. I and the Father are one.'"
- John 10:24-30
Jesus could have said, "You are not among my sheep, because you do not believe." But instead he said, "You do not believe because you are not among my sheep."
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In this context he knows them personally, not merely their existence.
But you avoided my highlights, where Jesus said they did not believe for the reason being not his sheep.
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Another easy one. You are a slave to WHOM YOU OBEY.
Romans 6:16
[FONT="]Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?[/FONT]
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Affirmation to Total Depravity, you obey your inward corruption
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I you do not know the difference between to know about and to know personally you ae not well versed in Scripture.
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Wait! Isscar you have not quoted the rest!
"But thanks be to God, that you who were once slaves of sin have become obedient from the heart to the standard of teaching to which you were committed, and, having been set free from sin, have become slaves of righteousness."
vv. 17, 18
Wow, haha!
"But thanks be to God, that you who were once slaves of sin have become obedient from the heart to the standard of teaching to which you were committed, and, having been set free from sin, have become slaves of righteousness."
vv. 17, 18
Wow, haha!
