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y es and i believe mary is a saint too and we can commune with saints in spirit through the mediater Jesus
 
communion also goes for allsaints the school of all christians born again,,, and may i add a reward...
 
When ever i see mary i See a spiritual mother a saint... like how christians should be for the fledglings a guardian
 
blue_ladybug said:
Whenever you see Mary? Does she visit you on a regular basis? lol
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iJust had an image come to me one day she had her welcoming arms out maybe it was real but another time i saw here in a some sort of head cover blue and white she just came from no where after i was asking the lord if i could commune with mary....
 
Maybe something youve never been showed befor But Jesus considered mary blessed and blessed means holy in the bible..
Luke 1:48..
For He has regarded the lowly state of His maidservant;
For behold, henceforth all generations will call me blessed.

Do we not honor our saints enough ? and fellow saints (christians)...
 
JIMBO43 said:
iJust had an image come to me one day she had her welcoming arms out maybe it was real but another time i saw here in a some sort of head cover blue and white she just came from no where after i was asking the lord if i could commune with mary....
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Were you eating magic mushrooms at the time? :p
 
Haha well its like this yeah... what good is the spirit without the Body ?
what good is it if saints dont love each other..

Now seeing as two men appeared in spirit from the old t in the new t.... Then its most a forgone conclusion that we dont sleep when we die in the flesh wup wup.....
 
mailmandan said:
You do realize that there are 3 different tenses to salvation, right? We have been saved from the PENALTY of sin (justification); we are being saved from the POWER of sin (ongoing sanctification); we will be saved from the PRESENCE of sin (glorification). Which tense do you think "end of your faith" refers to? Out of everyone who is justified, how many of them will be glorified? Romans 8:30 - Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified. *ALL of them.

Also, unlike the english word "hope," the N.T. word contains no uncertainty; it speaks of something that is certain. - Strong's #1680 elpís (from elpō, "to anticipate, welcome") – properly, expectation of what is sure (certain); hope. It's not some cross your fingers and hope I win the lottery kind of hope. If we have saving faith in Christ then we have this hope. Faith is the assurance of things hoped for.. (Hebrews 11:1). So that being justified by His grace we would be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life (Titus 3:7).
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I respect your willingness and time to write all this and i understand what your trying to say but a lot of what your calling as evidence is really just your interpretations of scripture to fit your beliefs.

As to mine is also, i see my beliefs in txt, greek interlinear, other believers, and my soul.

The crazy part is you see scripture i post one way and i understand scripture you post in another way.



But you didnt tell me how do you interpret the words i had posted

In less you are trying to say that those wasnt directed to believers.

Your looking for 2 words lost salvation. And you believe any time these verses is speaking about falling away, apostasy etc, that it may be spoken to believers but he didn't really mean it to be to them.

I do not see this and no falling away is not losing salvation. Its a warning that could lead to apostasy.

Is apostasy going to save you? No of course not. So what has to happen for apostasy to happen? One must be a believer and then turn away from the faith. Thus committing apostasy. A false believer or non believers can not commit apostasy if they never had truly believed. Its so simple.

Your looking for lost salvation, but i guess its just comes down to is scripture speaking to believers about apostasy. And is committing apostasy a deny salvation act. Because really all the warnings point to warning from apostasy or false teachers.

Of course you can deny it if they are not speaking to believers but each time scripture is addressing believers. I have not seen you prove that wrong.

The hope implying is not the cross the fingers type. Its really a word saying the promise of the cross. That is what we hold to in faith. We eagerly wait unto the day to take hold of this hope.

Like i said if your in faith you can easily say in confidence i am saved. This is the past tense meaning. Having faith means your saved.

So it just comes down to honestly speaking we interpret some scriptures differently and i think the main points of interpretation we disagree on is.

1. Is the scriptures referencing falling away, apostasy, etc. Spoken to believers?

2. What is apostasy and is it real or a myth? Can someone who believes turn from that belief.

3. Is apostasy a willful denial of grace.

Apostasy, blasphemy, and false teachers is what all the warnings is pointed to.

4. So again can apostasy, blasphemy be a act of denying grace. And can false teachers lead believers unto that point or unto a point of belief in a different gospel.
 
BillG said:
what I find interesting is that in fall away in the above passage is

parapiptō

The Meaning of the Fall in Hebrews 6:6
Although most contemporary commentators define parapiptōin Hebrews 6:6 as fall away or apostatize, linguistic evidence doesnot support this. Liddell and Scott take the basic meaning ofparapiptō in Classical Greek to be fall beside . . . fall in one’s way. . . go astray, err.27 They list the meaning of fall aside or awayfrom,28 but note that this usage precedes the genitive of the objectfrom which one had fallen. Hebrews 6:6 lacks this construction.

The text does not read kai parapesontas tēs pisteōs (“and fell aside from the faith]”).29 Moreover, W. Bauder defines parapiptō as“lit. fall beside, befall, go astray, err,”30 or as “a mistake, err,meaning an accidental and excusable oversight.”31 Michaelis alsosummarizes the Classical meaning of parapiptō as “‘to fall besideor aside,’ . . . ‘to stumble on something by chance,’ . . . ‘to be ledsomewhere or other’ . . . The sense ‘to be led past,’ ‘to go astray,’‘to be mistaken,’ also occurs in Polyb. . . . also abs. ‘to make amistake.’”32 Thus, in Classical Greek, parapiptō does not mean toapostatize.

My guess is that if this was talking about a wilful rejection of Jesus then the writer would have used

apostasia

Which is basically abandon the faith, reject Jesus.
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As i said above. Falling away does not mean apostasy. Its the warning that could lead to it. Same as deliberate sin.

So yes it does mean go astray. Thanks for helping my case.

And no so far i have not read a interpretation saying apostatize. But literally like you said going astray.
 
mailmandan said:
You do realize that there are 3 different tenses to salvation, right? We have been saved from the PENALTY of sin (justification); we are being saved from the POWER of sin (ongoing sanctification); we will be saved from the PRESENCE of sin (glorification). Which tense do you think "end of your faith" refers to? Out of everyone who is justified, how many of them will be glorified? Romans 8:30 - Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified. *ALL of them.

Also, unlike the english word "hope," the N.T. word contains no uncertainty; it speaks of something that is certain. - Strong's #1680 elpís (from elpō, "to anticipate, welcome") – properly, expectation of what is sure (certain); hope. It's not some cross your fingers and hope I win the lottery kind of hope. If we have saving faith in Christ then we have this hope. Faith is the assurance of things hoped for.. (Hebrews 11:1). So that being justified by His grace we would be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life (Titus 3:7).
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39 But we are not those who draw back and are destroyed, but those who have faith and obtain life.

You see this one way and i see it as basically having confidence in his readers that they will not be those who draw back. Not as evidence to discredit the whole conversation above it directed to his readers lol
 
JIMBO43 said:
y es and i believe mary is a saint too and we can commune with saints in spirit through the mediater Jesus
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1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.

We cannot communicate with any saints through Jesus,or any other way,and the man Christ Jesus is the Mediator between God and men,not saints and saints.
 
MattforJesus said:
1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.

We cannot communicate with any saints through Jesus,or any other way,and the man Christ Jesus is the Mediator between God and men,not saints and saints.
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AMEN to that..........funny thing...Mary is not mentioned at all in the N.T. after the Gospels if I remember right....MARY has no special power or mediator-ship.....A blessed, saved woman....who was not sinless.....
 
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