SIN DOESN'T MATTER: CAN YOU BELIEVE THIS CLAIM?

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sparkman

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I've heard some professed teachers say sin doesn't matter.

Can you believe these teachers?

No.

Since sin doesn't matter, they have no concern with lying. Therefore, they are not valid sources of information. Their claim is a contradiction.

Reading the apostolic writings should tell you otherwise anyways.

I am surprised when such individuals are respected by some as teachers, though. No, not really...some Christians are gullible.

I am not a legalist, either, and I do believe in grace. I do not believe real Christians should live in condemnation, either. To claim that sin doesn't matter, though, is a statement that cannot be believed, though, because the person demonstrates by their presupposition that they do not value the truth.

Satan is such a bad liar :)
 
Grace777x70

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Personally I am vehemently against all forms of sinning as they all bring destruction of some sort to us while on this earth - especially the one of unbelief in Christ's finished work on the cross.

I don't see any difference in sinning by living a homosexual lifestyle to having malice, bitterness and the slandering of others in the body of Christ. Both, as well as all the works of the flesh bring about death to us in this life.

Here is my view on sin and it's affects on us and on how the Holy Spirit transforms us as we behold the glory ( goodness ) of our Lord as in a mirror. 2 Cor. 3:17-18

Sin changes our perspective on things and causes us to not look at our Father in the right light of who He truly is. ( The same as Adam and Eve did when they hid from Him even though He was still coming to visit with them and He still took care of them )

Sin also affects our ability to have harmonious relationships with others and it also distorts our view of others as well as ourselves. Sin is deceitful.


We chose to live holy lives because we are just being who we truly are in Christ - not to maintain right standing with God. This living good holy lives creates right relationships with people, it will not give our enemy an influence in our lives and it is a good witness to the world.


Your true identity is not defined by your struggles, mistakes, or sinful actions. These are all confined to the flesh and are the works of the flesh as Paul said. Who you are is defined by your new birth in Christ. You are who you are by His grace and life in you!

Behavioral issues are usually the result of trying to live under the law in some form - such as the false doctrine of "sinless perfection in the flesh".

It is all self-righteousness and denies the righteousness of God in Christ. The law is the strength of sin. The law was brought in so that sin would increase and show that we need a Savior!

Once you understand you are completely accepted and sin free forever in Jesus in your inner man created in righteousness and holiness - and that this is your permanent state for all eternity in Christ - the behavioral issues will fall off of our lives like dead leaves.

The "sap" of His life in and through us transforms us outwardly by the Holy Spirit as we behold the glory ( goodness ) of the Lord Jesus as in a mirror. We see all the goodness that He has already done for us and we also see ourselves in Him as one spirit with the Lord. 2 Cor. 3:17-18

I maintain that the preaching and teaching of the love and grace of God in the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ brings true righteousness which is His alone and there will be deeds of His life manifested in us if we are fed Christ Himself and His righteousness to us.

He has cleansed our hearts by faith and now we are to walk from this new heart in Christ.

As we have received Him - so we walk in Him. Col. 2:6. It is all by grace through faith in what Christ has already done.
 
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Sin matters. Oh yes it does. How much does it matter? Enough that God came to earth to die on the cross to save us from sin.
 
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TraySir said:
Sin matters. Oh yes it does. How much does it matter? Enough that God came to earth to die on the cross to save us from sin.
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To save us from the consequence of sin, which is death :) Satan is such a good liar that people believe the soul is immortal against the express words of Scripture :(
 
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sparkman said:
I've heard some professed teachers say sin doesn't matter.

Can you believe these teachers?

No.

Since sin doesn't matter, they have no concern with lying. Therefore, they are not valid sources of information. Their claim is a contradiction.

Reading the apostolic writings should tell you otherwise anyways.

I am surprised when such individuals are respected by some as teachers, though. No, not really...some Christians are gullible.

I am not a legalist, either, and I do believe in grace. I do not believe real Christians should live in condemnation, either. To claim that sin doesn't matter, though, is a statement that cannot be believed, though, because the person demonstrates by their presupposition that they do not value the truth.

Satan is such a bad liar :)
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You state that as though you have heard a person flatly teaching that as a truth. I would challenge you to quote that being said by someone... wherein there are not qualifiers also given that delineate what they were actually saying in full context.

Can you do that? Giving us a link to the source from which you would be quoting, of course.
 
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Grace777x70

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Here is a great 36 minute video about "behavior matters"

[video=youtube;yPFZv08ZCoY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPFZv08ZCoY[/video]
 
BillG

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Until we know the scource then we cannot give an informed response
 
Grace777x70

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Willie-T said:
You state that as though you have heard a person flatly stating that as a truth. I would challenge you to quote that being said by someone... wherein there are not qualifiers also given that delineate what they were actually saying in full context.

Can you do that? Giving us a link to the source from which you would be quoting, of course.
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I agree...sometimes we can take a part of what someone says and it is out of context and then it's twisted to say something that without the context - makes it into something else entirely then what it would if the context was given.

That is a common tactic of the self-proclaimed heretic hunters that don't agree with some one on a doctrinal issue so they twist it to make "appear" to be something else then what it actually is.

And sometimes - there is a disagreement on some things. It happens but at the very least we should not be deceitful and say what is really being said.

Sometimes we don't always hear what people are actually really saying. We sometimes only hear what we "assume" they are saying or others have said that they saying - which of course could be twisted.
 
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Dino246

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sparkman said:
I've heard some professed teachers say sin doesn't matter.

Can you believe these teachers?

No.

Since sin doesn't matter, they have no concern with lying. Therefore, they are not valid sources of information. Their claim is a contradiction.
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While I certainly wouldn't think much of someone's teaching if they didn't think sin was an issue, that does not mean that they have no concern with lying. That's a logical fallacy. Many people who don't acknowledge God at all still don't think lying is acceptable. It's a matter of sin, yes, but because it is, it's also a matter of conscience. The obvious corollary is that even if someone does think sin is an issue, that doesn't mean they are entirely truthful. :)
 
sparkman

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Willie-T said:
You state that as though you have heard a person flatly teaching that as a truth. I would challenge you to quote that being said by someone... wherein there are not qualifiers also given that delineate what they were actually saying in full context.

Can you do that? Giving us a link to the source from which you would be quoting, of course.
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The same charismatic in the chatroom who claims her neighbor's cat talked to her, that she raised the dead from a morgue, that she's a prophet, and that those who say things against her end up being punished by God (one with death). However, the same would hold true with any antinomian teacher. If they teach that sin doesn't matter, then they cannot be trusted. If they behave according to their beliefs, then they are ok with lying.
 
Grace777x70

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sparkman said:
The same charismatic in the chatroom who claims her neighbor's cat talked to her, that she raised the dead from a morgue, that she's a prophet, and that those who say things against her end up being punished by God (one with death). However, the same would hold true with any antinomian teacher. If they teach that sin doesn't matter, then they cannot be trusted. If they behave according to their beliefs, then they are ok with lying.
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Wow....a lot of strange stuff going on there. Did the cat not keep the Sabbath as in the law of Moses and when it talked - did it swear and take the Lord's name in vain?
 
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sparkman said:
The same charismatic in the chatroom who claims her neighbor's cat talked to her, that she raised the dead from a morgue, that she's a prophet, and that those who say things against her end up being punished by God (one with death). However, the same would hold true with any antinomian teacher. If they teach that sin doesn't matter, then they cannot be trusted. If they behave according to their beliefs, then they are ok with lying.
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So, IOW, all you have is one nutjob in a chat room, and some unnamed, unknown, "antinomian" teachers?
 
miknik5

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sparkman said:
I've heard some professed teachers say sin doesn't matter.

Can you believe these teachers?

No.

Since sin doesn't matter, they have no concern with lying. Therefore, they are not valid sources of information. Their claim is a contradiction.

Reading the apostolic writings should tell you otherwise anyways.

I am surprised when such individuals are respected by some as teachers, though. No, not really...some Christians are gullible.

I am not a legalist, either, and I do believe in grace. I do not believe real Christians should live in condemnation, either. To claim that sin doesn't matter, though, is a statement that cannot be believed, though, because the person demonstrates by their presupposition that they do not value the truth.

Satan is such a bad liar :)
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Can you supply the source document which testifies to what you are saying?
 
miknik5

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I can't believe this claim unless you provide the proof that this indeed is true
 
sparkman

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miknik5 said:
Can you supply the source document which testifies to what you are saying?
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What do antinomians teach? It simply requires knowing the meaning of the word.

Regarding the individual in the chat room, obviously I don't have a source document.

Hyper-gracers are not going to like what I've said in this regard and I expect attacks from it. But, the argument is logical. If sin does not matter, that means that God's moral law does not matter, and if someone holds that presupposition their assertion cannot be trusted because they don't think lying matters. Therefore they cannot be trusted if they are consistent with their worldview.

Let me ask another question. Suppose a professed believer, who claims that sin doesn't matter, has sex with her son's friend (half her age) and brags about it. The son turns away from Christianity and won't speak to his mother. Can this woman maintain that sin doesn't matter, when her sin has been a factor in her son's rejection of Christianity and the disgrace of the family by others knowing she is sexually immoral? Is this a light thing before God? I don't think so.
 
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sparkman said:
What do antinomians teach? It simply requires knowing the meaning of the word.

Regarding the individual in the chat room, obviously I don't have a source document.

Hyper-gracers are not going to like what I've said in this regard and I expect attacks from it. But, the argument is logical. If sin does not matter, that means that God's moral law does not matter, and if someone holds that presupposition their assertion cannot be trusted because they don't think lying matters. Therefore they cannot be trusted if they are consistent with their worldview.

Let me ask another question. Suppose a professed believer, who claims that sin doesn't matter, has sex with her son's friend (half her age) and brags about it. The son turns away from Christianity and won't speak to his mother. Can this woman maintain that sin doesn't matter, when her sin has been a factor in her son's rejection of Christianity and the disgrace of the family by others knowing she is sexually immoral? Is this a light thing before God? I don't think so.
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You're preaching to the choir.:rolleyes:
 
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FreeNChrist said:
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Exactly...and I was thinking context of said statement as well....Jesus is the payment for the sins of the entire world......and sin is not really the issue as the debt has been settled.....the issue is faith and acknowledging the sacrifice of Jesus on one's behalf.......

Now....watch how many will embellish what I just said and say that I said we can live like the "debil" Bobby Boucher!
 
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sparkman said:
The same charismatic in the chatroom who claims her neighbor's cat talked to her, that she raised the dead from a morgue, that she's a prophet, and that those who say things against her end up being punished by God (one with death). However, the same would hold true with any antinomian teacher. If they teach that sin doesn't matter, then they cannot be trusted. If they behave according to their beliefs, then they are ok with lying.
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I presume you are talking about me Sparkman? Alot of what you have said is mis-quoted with no context. As for "sin doesn't matter" Jesus died for my sin. He loved me so much he wanted me free from it and I accept Him as my Lord and saviour so that in Him I am DAILY forgiven for being imperfect. Does this mean I go out dilberately sinning so that grace may abound? Not at all!! Why would I do that to my Saviour? Why would I want to lie or gossip, both are not loving other people. Why would I want to have sex outside of marraige? That is not loving myself or another, its based in selfish lust and love is not self seeking. Why would I steal and covert? These are also stemed in selfishness.The only difference is I eat from "the tree of life" daily seeking God the way it should be. I dont eat from the tree of GOOD and EVIL ... or should I say the knowledge of good and evil where daily people go round in circles of what they can or cant do...whats right and whats wrong...what they are allowed to do and what they are not allowed to do. The seek scripture and spend hours upon hours arguing about what God word says or means. There was not a tree of good and a tree of evil in the garden and they picked one. There was a tree of LIFE that is found in Christ where there is no condemnation and its a life of trusting 100% in Christ, His leading, His teaching and from that abundant life is found and lived. I will not part take of the round-a-bout of KNOWING GOOD from Evil ...that tree is not for me. I want life in Christ
 
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