How to prove that the Earth is flat, and not a sphere...

[pckts]

I have to say, I do not know enough about the transmission technology they
are using and its strengths and weaknesses.

Let me put this whole idea on a different footing.
The rocket ship builder SpaceX is a private venture with ambitions to be a private
firm building launch vehicals at a lower cost than Nasa etc. with a $12 billion valuation.

Now no one invests this much capital and risk based on the flat earth model.
So the whole of our society, the stock market, TV, education, researchers do not
agree with you. So unfortunately it is a joke and you are just deluding yourself
about something that is provable with no sense of hesitancy.

Ok so once again, you completely ignore what occurred at the :30 second mark of the video where the astronaut "fades away" because it's Blue Screen Hoaxary, as well as all of the other examples in the video, and attempt to explain away clear CGI and video editing with equipment malfunction.

Space X, Elon Musk and the Virigin Mobile Guy (who also had everyone believing he was going to take tourists to space) are false investors for false projects. The Space X footage is just as fake as NASA footage, perhaps even faker. You are correct, noone would invest that much money into a lie, it's just another lie.

Here is one of the worst CGI Jobs I've ever seen for their "Grasshopper":

[video=youtube;RHktxfeKEx8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHktxfeKEx8[/video]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jV0G1-eMzo - This is the CGI landing they did. The physics of their rockets when their are moving are clearly unatural to the point of appearing cartoonish. CGI!

I also agree that the society, economy, TV, education, and research system does not agree with me, because they are deluding themselves and you into believing a lie.

 

[pckts]

[video=youtube;vCPncvWoVz8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCPncvWoVz8[/video]

Does this rocket or the behavior of the platform appear real?

 

[tourist]

[video=youtube;vCPncvWoVz8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCPncvWoVz8[/video]

Does this rocket or the behavior of the platform appear real?

Looks real enough to me but unfortunately had a bit of a rough landing. I wouldn't book a passage on this thing.

 

[pckts]

I have to say, I do not know enough about the transmission technology they
are using and its strengths and weaknesses.

Let me put this whole idea on a different footing.
The rocket ship builder SpaceX is a private venture with ambitions to be a private
firm building launch vehicals at a lower cost than Nasa etc. with a $12 billion valuation.

Now no one invests this much capital and risk based on the flat earth model.
So the whole of our society, the stock market, TV, education, researchers do not
agree with you. So unfortunately it is a joke and you are just deluding yourself
about something that is provable with no sense of hesitancy.

I'm never posting on any flat earth topics ever again. This indirect and passive-aggressive answer, followed by the immediate change in subject and ridicule broke the camels back.

Transmission technology, under no circumstances, would cause the visual effect seen at the :30 second mark of the video that all the fools I engage with ignore or give pathetic responses like yours to. I will not debate NASA fanboys who have turned their eyes and brains off to defend liars and their pride. I drive you further away from the truth and flat earth theory by associating everything with my bad attitude.

Whenever NASA or any government agency deceiving you makes a mistake, error, or anything to expose their lies, all they have to do is:

1. Delete the original and "official" footage, eliminate all association

2. Claim the event never happened or give a pathetic excuse

I leave all of you with the lemming on mars. No official record of this photo exists of course.....

 

[posthuman]

There is the prototypical flat earth rebuttal to undeniable evidence and argument that their theory is wrong:
Circle a rock and claim it is a lemming, then refuse to engage in any further discussion.

Sadly, that's pretty much the answer Matt, to most if your questions in post #944. They do not have answers, they generally don't do any math, are even worse at geometry and perspective than calculations, and they simply get huffy and defensive, storming off as though they have some imagined moral high ground, when they are faced with their cognitive dissonance and the absolute contrary nature of reality with what they claim it is.

They change the subject without acknowledging that they've been clearly shown to be wrong, and then they come back a week later with the same arguments that have already been disproven, hoping our memories are as poor as their grasp of reason.

It's almost as though something parasitical is inhabiting their minds.

 

[MattTooFor]

There is the prototypical flat earth rebuttal to undeniable evidence and argument that their theory is wrong:
Circle a rock and claim it is a lemming, then refuse to engage in any further discussion.

Sadly, that's pretty much the answer Matt, to most if your questions in post #944. They do not have answers, they generally don't do any math, are even worse at geometry and perspective than calculations, and they simply get huffy and defensive, storming off as though they have some imagined moral high ground, when they are faced with their cognitive dissonance and the absolute contrary nature of reality with what they claim it is.

They change the subject without acknowledging that they've been clearly shown to be wrong, and then they come back a week later with the same arguments that have already been disproven, hoping our memories are as poor as their grasp of reason.

It's almost as though something parasitical is inhabiting their minds.

OK, thanks.

 

[PeterJens]

There is the prototypical flat earth rebuttal to undeniable evidence and argument that their theory is wrong:
Circle a rock and claim it is a lemming, then refuse to engage in any further discussion.

Sadly, that's pretty much the answer Matt, to most if your questions in post #944. They do not have answers, they generally don't do any math, are even worse at geometry and perspective than calculations, and they simply get huffy and defensive, storming off as though they have some imagined moral high ground, when they are faced with their cognitive dissonance and the absolute contrary nature of reality with what they claim it is.

They change the subject without acknowledging that they've been clearly shown to be wrong, and then they come back a week later with the same arguments that have already been disproven, hoping our memories are as poor as their grasp of reason.

It's almost as though something parasitical is inhabiting their minds.

Well brother I have literally spent time talking to someone with mental illness
who did exactly this. The argument is not founded on logic but emotional conviction.
So as the argument fades in their mind, the conviction grows and the same points
appear. In a healthy mind the argument stays and a new framework emerges and the
individual moves on in understanding.

You have to simply break off and leave it alone, because the hamster on his hamster
wheel will forever believe they are getting somewhere and they only have to convince
the unbelieving world.

There are issues where this is actually true, but in mental illness there is a break between
the driving force and the proposition, so the new proposition never effects the driving force.

 

[posthuman]

thank you Peter

 

[oldethennew]

I'm never posting on any flat earth topics ever again. This indirect and passive-aggressive answer, followed by the immediate change in subject and ridicule broke the camels back.

Transmission technology, under no circumstances, would cause the visual effect seen at the :30 second mark of the video that all the fools I engage with ignore or give pathetic responses like yours to. I will not debate NASA fanboys who have turned their eyes and brains off to defend liars and their pride. I drive you further away from the truth and flat earth theory by associating everything with my bad attitude.

Whenever NASA or any government agency deceiving you makes a mistake, error, or anything to expose their lies, all they have to do is:

1. Delete the original and "official" footage, eliminate all association

2. Claim the event never happened or give a pathetic excuse

I leave all of you with the lemming on mars. No official record of this photo exists of course.....

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boy, are you 'thin-skinned'...

 

[oldethennew]

the 'break' comes when our Saviour says so...

 

[PeterJens]

I'm never posting on any flat earth topics ever again. This indirect and passive-aggressive answer, followed by the immediate change in subject and ridicule broke the camels back.

Transmission technology, under no circumstances, would cause the visual effect seen at the :30 second mark of the video that all the fools I engage with ignore or give pathetic responses like yours to. I will not debate NASA fanboys who have turned their eyes and brains off to defend liars and their pride. I drive you further away from the truth and flat earth theory by associating everything with my bad attitude.

Whenever NASA or any government agency deceiving you makes a mistake, error, or anything to expose their lies, all they have to do is:

1. Delete the original and "official" footage, eliminate all association

2. Claim the event never happened or give a pathetic excuse

I leave all of you with the lemming on mars. No official record of this photo exists of course.....

This almost makes me feel guilty.

Truth is brutal, but let us put this into context.
You are accusing people who sincerely put their lives on the line,
dedicate themselves to space exploration, monitoring weather, seeing
how we are changing our world so we can hold it all together as evil
conspirators in a big hoax to achieve what? Make people think the earth
is round so that the flat earth is not understood?

This is just nuts, and unfortunately it is you who are falsely accusing others
of being liars and fakes, while you run off on the high ground claiming you know
something when clearly it is beyond on intellectual and emotional ability.

There are real conspiracies around oil revenue and the arms industry that is
real and does cause harm and is often evil and very dangerous, but hey, such
things are best left alone because people really do disappear as a result.

 

[posthuman]

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[loveme1]

Where does the flat earth end? I'm open minded on the matter and really just wanting some point of views. Are we thinking more of a plate rather than a sphere?

 

[loveme1]

The flight and sailing paths could hold some clues.

 

[MattTooFor]

Where does the flat earth end? I'm open minded on the matter and really just wanting some point of views. Are we thinking more of a plate rather than a sphere?

Let me relieve you of wasting hours, days and weeks with this "flat earth" nonsense:

I happen to have some friends in New Zealand. They were telling me how they noticed the features of the moon are 'upside down' compared to what they have seen when they visit North America. Indeed, look below and you will notice the moon is "upside down" in Perth, Australia compared to Seattle.

This is proof-positive we live on a globe and not on a disc.

The way this works is that on a globe, New Zealanders and Australians are standing 'upside down' in relation to North Americans and we North Americans are standing 'upside down' in relation to New Zealanders! See the graphic below:

On an alleged "flat earth" there is no way and no how that could ever be. You would NOT see the features of the moon right side up in North America...and then upside down in New Zealand.

That could ONLY happen on a globe. Again, these are commonly observable facts...apparently noticed by HUGE numbers of ordinary people.
There are about a thousand other proofs for a globe...but one's enough.

 

[Steve9]

Then how do we explain the curvature of the earth the higher up you go? For example flying? And if the earth was flat woudnt the planes that travel intercontinental just make their way into space after the end of the map?

 

[MattTooFor]

FWIW -- here is an article I have put together where I try to summarize the arguments against "flat earth". Most of it comes from the contributions of various folks in this thread.

 

[tourist]

Where does the flat earth end? I'm open minded on the matter and really just wanting some point of views. Are we thinking more of a plate rather than a sphere?

None of the flat earth people can specifically state what countries or geographic features are on the edge of the earth or provide a map that outlines the location of each continent. The reason for this is because the earth is not flat but is round, rotates on it's axis at 1040 MPH and revolves around the sun in a solar year. What is happening if the oceans are at the edge, is there a waterfall into space? How come no one has ever traveled to the edges and mapped the whole thing out? What is the dimensions of a flat earth? If the earth was flat the two farthest points would be at least 25,000 miles apart rather than 12,500 miles if the earth is round. Plane travel on a flat earth would take twice as long to reach these two points as it currently does now. The whole concept is nonsense.

 

[tourist]

Then how do we explain the curvature of the earth the higher up you go? For example flying? And if the earth was flat woudnt the planes that travel intercontinental just make their way into space after the end of the map?

If they were in a space shuttle there shouldn't be a problem if this certain contingency arose.

 

[MattTooFor]

Bump:

FWIW -- here is an article I have put together where I try to summarize the arguments against "flat earth". Most of it comes from the contributions of various folks in this thread.