Idol worship on Easter
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Sure I did. And how do you know she didn't have love in her heart when she posted it? Angela and I disagree sometimes on here but I don't think I've ever seen a lack of love for her fellow chatters. Jesus tipped over tables and built a whip. Do you think he was showing a lack of love when he was scaring the chocolate turd out of people?
You see what I did there? You know Easter and Chocolate?
You see what I did there? You know Easter and Chocolate?
Easter is the celebration of Spring (when everything comes back to life), just like Christmas is the celebration of the Winter Solstice (the birth of the sun, when it starts to rise from its lowest point yearly). It is interesting how Constantine (assuming it was him), combined these millennia old traditions, to celebrate Jesus' birth, and the 'coming back to life' in Spring.
Looking up the timeline of the Roman emperor Constantine is an easy enough thing to do. Anyone who fact checks will discover that Constantine was in power during the fourth century. Simple math will further lead us to the conclusion that it could therefore not have been as much as two thousand years ago. Trusting a Roman Catholic source for truth may also have been a terrible mistake.
You're the same person that said "Blah blah blah blah blah. Get over it" You call that loving? Angela posted useful information however beforehand she stated "Anyone who can't even post basic factual information doesn't deserve the time of day" Do you think Jesus would address someone like that. You're referring to when Jesus got upset when people was buying and selling in the temple that has no comparison in which that was worst.
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Oh, I thought we were talking about Angela's comment not mine. Yeah the blah blah blah part was probably a little sarcastic. But I never claimed to be perfect and I'm a little grumpy at times which is a flaw I need to work on. I guess I should have just came out and said "I really love you but this Easter is evil crap is really getting on my nerves and it needs to stop. I really do love you though"
You are presenting facts as the complete truth. Half truths presented as the entire truth is a lie.
I am presenting facts that are reported by the Catholic Church who kept records of the Christian Councils, not as every fact about Constantine as you are, but as facts as reported by reliable reports that are to be included.
Now, would you take your own advise to me and get your facts straight. Mine are, you do the same.
I am presenting facts that are reported by the Catholic Church who kept records of the Christian Councils, not as every fact about Constantine as you are, but as facts as reported by reliable reports that are to be included.
Now, would you take your own advise to me and get your facts straight. Mine are, you do the same.
God knows what's in a heart. That's why He says it's ok to eat meat sacrificed to idols, because He knows we aren't actually worshipping the idol. But then He says that if our doing so causes an immature believer to stumble we should abstain. Sooooo, because Blik is still a milk drinker (no offense intended) I guess we all should put down the chocolate bunnies and spend this day like we do every other day.
You are showing a complete lack of history study when you are just now finding that the Nicene Council was called in 323, many years after Christ. Many conflicting ideas were written as facts about Christ at that time, the council was to establish which would be listened to.
It seems to me that you are trusting what a man wrote about what has happened in the past. I don't seee where the information was kept should be our sole judge on whether it was fabrication made up later or an actual record of what happened. If no record can be trusted it is foolish to study history.
It seems to me that you are trusting what a man wrote about what has happened in the past. I don't seee where the information was kept should be our sole judge on whether it was fabrication made up later or an actual record of what happened. If no record can be trusted it is foolish to study history.
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We had it by the end of the first century, but it got hidden along with the Christians, to avoid being destroyed. Constantine really was the dude who pulled up a council to figure out which books belonged in it, which were fake, and which were pretty good, but not divinely inspired. And it happened the hard way -- the most important writings were protected the most by all the people hiding from being slaughtered in individual small communities.
Lance, thanks for coming to my defense.
So a negative Nellie posts untrue things about Constantine and Church Councils, and I am raked over the coals, instead of the OP, who was certainly not posting because she loves everyone in this forum. She is coming from her Hebrew Roots bias. Although I will say, she is a very nice woman, although very delusional about doctrine, and certainly not coming from a factual point of view where history is concerned.
It irks me when people come on here and post false doctrine or heresy. I argue to the death, and mostly try to not get personal. Except sometimes, like when someone says I have no faith because I am not healed. I take that as a direct insult, and one coming out of ignorance of what the bible actually says!
But, when someone jumps on this anti-holiday bandwagon, and doesn't even use the facts, perhaps I do use more distain than I should. I've certainly taken church history in seminary, but I knew when Constantine lived long before I was a Christian, forget about seminary. So I apologize if what I posted seemed harsh. But I think correcting wrong facts, is pretty important. Missing the fall of Jerusalem, persecution of Christians and the terrible deaths of Christians killed in the gladiator arenas and Roman circuses are a vital part of Christianity. To say nothing of the fact that Constantine stopped the perscution of Christians. That is 300 years, or 3 centuries from the death of Christ count! Not 2000 years ago, as I already said!
To say nothing of the fact, that the entire argument that Constantine did so much evil to true Christians, is a complete lie. No, the councils didn't get everything perfect, but ending the Arian crisis and stopping Donatism certainly have to count for something good!
Then, not sure where the proof is, that Constantine ever established dates for Christmas and Easter. I've just finished reading a lot on him, and it simply doesn't say or imply anywhere that Constantine started these holidays, although he did decree something about not celebrating the death and resurrection on the day before the Passover. Perhaps that is what these Hebrew
Roots people object to?
Again, some people don't seem to understand the basic fact, that when you report easily googled history facts wrong, it does taint everything else that person says. Especially when we have beaten this dead horse too many times! (I know, someone else said it first!)
So a negative Nellie posts untrue things about Constantine and Church Councils, and I am raked over the coals, instead of the OP, who was certainly not posting because she loves everyone in this forum. She is coming from her Hebrew Roots bias. Although I will say, she is a very nice woman, although very delusional about doctrine, and certainly not coming from a factual point of view where history is concerned.
It irks me when people come on here and post false doctrine or heresy. I argue to the death, and mostly try to not get personal. Except sometimes, like when someone says I have no faith because I am not healed. I take that as a direct insult, and one coming out of ignorance of what the bible actually says!
But, when someone jumps on this anti-holiday bandwagon, and doesn't even use the facts, perhaps I do use more distain than I should. I've certainly taken church history in seminary, but I knew when Constantine lived long before I was a Christian, forget about seminary. So I apologize if what I posted seemed harsh. But I think correcting wrong facts, is pretty important. Missing the fall of Jerusalem, persecution of Christians and the terrible deaths of Christians killed in the gladiator arenas and Roman circuses are a vital part of Christianity. To say nothing of the fact that Constantine stopped the perscution of Christians. That is 300 years, or 3 centuries from the death of Christ count! Not 2000 years ago, as I already said!
To say nothing of the fact, that the entire argument that Constantine did so much evil to true Christians, is a complete lie. No, the councils didn't get everything perfect, but ending the Arian crisis and stopping Donatism certainly have to count for something good!
Then, not sure where the proof is, that Constantine ever established dates for Christmas and Easter. I've just finished reading a lot on him, and it simply doesn't say or imply anywhere that Constantine started these holidays, although he did decree something about not celebrating the death and resurrection on the day before the Passover. Perhaps that is what these Hebrew
Roots people object to?
Again, some people don't seem to understand the basic fact, that when you report easily googled history facts wrong, it does taint everything else that person says. Especially when we have beaten this dead horse too many times! (I know, someone else said it first!)