Originally Posted by valiantwhat they believe, yes, But where does it say they have previously been saved?
Exactly my point
Not By Works
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Exactly my point
No it says Anyone who does not do what is right is not God’s child,
Anyone being the key word... you go and read it again..
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Who is "us"? You're begging that question continually. There are millions of sloppy, lazy, immoral pseudo-believers who need to hear a message of "hell, fire and brimstone"...NOT your message which is that everybody is saved, saved, saved.
Quite the silly taunt. I do not believe in "saving myself". That is just a straw man that you erect.
Well...you sound like you're trying to rebut something. Just can't tell what it is exactly . Again, who is "us"? You're begging that question.
What do you say to a pseudo-believer who hangs out at your church and says all the right churchy-church lingo ("praise the Lord for the blood of the Lamb" etc.) but practices sin all during the week (shacking up, fornication, etc.)???
You would say - "praise the Lord, he has called upon Christ - he is signed , sealed and delivered - praise be!".
In dramatic contrast, here is what the Bible says - "do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God." 1 Corinthians 6:9-10
It is possible for people who act Christian-ish to "be deceived" and split the gates of Hell wide open. And people like you stand in the way of people like me, falsely accusing us of "salvation by works...because we are trying to warn these pseudo-Christians to...snap out of their self-deception.
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so they are pseudo believers and not really saved BY GOD.
I would excommunicate him. saying is not believing.
LOL wrong again!
because they have PROVED that God never saved them.
Salvation by grace is SALVATION, not just forgiveness. We are all aware of pseudo Christians.
anyone means exactly waht it says and means,,, humm i wonder if the oxford dictionary based salvationist will argue this with tht Oxford dictionary as verbiage and past tense nonesence ?
why would believing anyone could mean anyone queer ? sorry i dont get your queer language... and how come im the only one here who get there words edited ? when some have said the same word as sh** and not had there words edited ?
No you using the word Queer for a genuine honest question of the meaning of anyone meaning just about anyone is bit nutjob to me..
'Anyone who does not do what is right is not God’s child.'. To a normal person that means that the person who does not do what is right is not God's child. Full stop. And if they are not God's child they never have been.
YOU may be careless with your children. God is NOT.
Is he not loving though that when his children do not do what is right to correct them?
God is not careless with his children but loving
I see the cake takers are out in force pushing a works based false gospel that has no power to save, one that is double cursed....Galatians 1, 3
Jesus was very clear when he said, "Plenteous in number" will come before my throne boasting of their good works...LORD LORD.......tragic day for ALL who blend faith and works for salvation.......!
The fornicator in the Corinthian Church and the saved who produce wood, hay and stubble ALL contradict you working for false gospel
It is like trying to drive a nail into a 100 year old Brazilian Walnut plank....so hard you can barely dent it with a hammer when distressing it to make it look old and used.....!
He only chastens SONS...not LOST MEN.....and CHILDREN do not get whipped for doing right and or not sinning.....their logic misses the mark by about 5 light years.....!
The bolded word is not in his vocabulary.....as a matter of fact the entire concept alludes him....as well as the simple, inspired words, definitions of said words, and verb tense of the bible.......just stating facts........
That he does. He does not take a belt to our backside, a smack around the head.
I lived like he did for a long long while. Waiting for the sky fall on my head.
What a twisted view of our Father.
The bolded word above is not in his vocabulary....as a matter of fact, it is a foreign concept, along with the verb tense, inspired verbiage, inspired definitions of said words to be found in the bible...just stating the facts....