Not By Works

[mj007]

Disciple Dave,

What do you think the reason is that some people seem to take love out of the equation in communicating? I think a lot of people struggle with it, but I haven't yet got a definitive answer. I think it has something to do with the pain, loss and struggles people experience through 'human' love. I've seen a lot of hollow shells in my time, which started as a child. When I was about 6 or 7, I used to observe 'adults' and ask myself why don't they seem happy? Why don't they seem alive? Jesus said love your neighbour as you love yourself. But does it mean if people don't have love in their words to each other, they struggle with love for themselves? Or maybe they regard that as pride, while walking in pride at the same time? I don't know, but you seem wise friend.

Mark

And yet no answer.

Here is a verse, that is given to us by the Apostle Paul through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit of TRUTH, for us to DO once we are SAVED.

Col_4:6 Let your speech be alway with grace, seasoned with salt, that ye may know how ye ought to answer every man.

Notice is says we should know how to answer every man. NO NOT this generation this generation just doesn't answer at all, when the question presented to them, is to open their eyes and ears to the TRUTH, NO instead of knowing how to answer questions presented to them, they use the tactic called diversion, by not answering the question presented but directing the conversation to something other than the question asked.

Let us Love One Another even in these forums. if you disagree with something that i have said, or i dissagree with something that you say, let us quote each other and talk about it, with LOVE. That would be awesome.

^i^

††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

 

[DiscipleDave]

Originally Posted by DiscipleDave

i see you did not answer either question presented to you to answer. Why is that?

Let us look at your statement for a second. Those who get Saved, are Saved. If this were True as you say it is, then why the whole Bible?

Seriously think about it if once a person is Saved, they ARE SAVED, there is no need for 80% of the Bible which tells us what we should do once we are Saved. i mean, all a person really needs are the verses which teach us who Jesus Christ is, and what He did for us. the rest would be moot, right? i mean if once you get SAVED, you are SAVED, there is no need for the rest of the Bible which teach what we MUST DO once we are SAVED, is that what you are saying and/or implying, because it seems that way.

You seem to think that once a person GETS saved they ARE SAVED and can never DENY JESUS, ever. These also CAN't EVER hate anyone at all, and EVERY single person that GETS SAVED, does forgiven everyone without fail. If what you say is TRUE, then 80% of the New Testament is MOOT. DO you know who else believes exactly as you do, the Faith ONLY believers. They believe FAITH is all that is needed, all that is required, all that has to be done. Yet 80% of the New Testament teaches us what we MUST do once we are Saved.

You did not answer those question because you can't see or hear the understanding that there is a difference. You see the Faith ONLY believers only see and understand the "Getting Saved" verses in the Bible, all the while ignoring, making void, or interpreting away 80% of the rest of the bible which teaches us Christians what we should do once we are SAVED. That is the difference which you seem to not be able to grasp, if you could, you would have answered the questions without hesitation. But you answered neither, because you refuse to see the TRUTH or hear it when it is given to you. But you now do know the TRUTH, whether you accept it or not is not my place to convince you of the TRUTH.

^i^

††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

Yep, definitely a maintenance worker.

Tell me, doubt you will though, but i will continue to ask you questions. Tell me. If someone obeys Jesus Christ and they LOVE ONE ANOTHER ( they feed the hungry, visit the sick, cloth the naked, help people everyone, give to charities, and many other things they do because they LOVE ) is that person a maintenance person too, because they obey Jesus Christ?

You seem to think that anyone who DOES what Jesus Commands them to do, to LOVE ONE ANOTHER that they are then a maintenance worker, is that what you think? i teach to obey Jesus, and you call me a maintenance worker, why is that?

Scriptures teach to make sure to maintain good works. Tell me, if i do what Scriptures instructs me to do, am i then a maintenance worker in YOUR eyes? If i obey Scriptures and DO those things which is instructs me to do, Do you then call me a maintenance worker?
i teach to be DOERS of the Word of God and not hearer only, but because i say that i DO those things, you call me a maintenance worker. If then DOING what Scriptures plainly teaches me to DO, is called a maintenance worker, than i am most certainly a maintenance worker. Woe to them who are NOT, woe to them who are hearers only of the Word of God and not DOERS of the Word, If obeying the Bible makes me a maintenance worker, than i am thankful that through Jesus Christ i am one.

^i^

††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

 

[DiscipleDave]

Originally Posted by DiscipleDave

And yet no answer.

Here is a verse, that is given to us by the Apostle Paul through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit of TRUTH, for us to DO once we are SAVED.

Col_4:6 Let your speech be alway with grace, seasoned with salt, that ye may know how ye ought to answer every man.

Notice is says we should know how to answer every man. NO NOT this generation this generation just doesn't answer at all, when the question presented to them, is to open their eyes and ears to the TRUTH, NO instead of knowing how to answer questions presented to them, they use the tactic called diversion, by not answering the question presented but directing the conversation to something other than the question asked.

Let us Love One Another even in these forums. if you disagree with something that i have said, or i dissagree with something that you say, let us quote each other and talk about it, with LOVE. That would be awesome.

^i^

††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

It seems you have somehow mistaken your pride for love. Weird.

Careful, blaspheme of the Holy Spirit of God is not forgiven to man. Please do not call that which is Good evil, which you have just done. Why do you think i get on these boards to deal with people who will not hear the TRUTH, it is because of LOVE that i do so. i say it is LOVE, you say it is pride. Do you know my heart, Do you see how i live? You don't know me at all, yet you make this judgement against me that it is pride, i say it is LOVE, but since you don't recognize LOVE, you see love as PRIDE. i feel for you, i really do. And i will pray for you. OH, and i really do forgive you for saying such a thing against me, why? Because i Love YOU.

^i^

††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

 

[FreeNChrist]

Tell me, doubt you will though, but i will continue to ask you questions. Tell me. If someone obeys Jesus Christ and they LOVE ONE ANOTHER ( they feed the hungry, visit the sick, cloth the naked, help people everyone, give to charities, and many other things they do because they LOVE ) is that person a maintenance person too, because they obey Jesus Christ?

You seem to think that anyone who DOES what Jesus Commands them to do, to LOVE ONE ANOTHER that they are then a maintenance worker, is that what you think? i teach to obey Jesus, and you call me a maintenance worker, why is that?

Scriptures teach to make sure to maintain good works. Tell me, if i do what Scriptures instructs me to do, am i then a maintenance worker in YOUR eyes? If i obey Scriptures and DO those things which is instructs me to do, Do you then call me a maintenance worker?
i teach to be DOERS of the Word of God and not hearer only, but because i say that i DO those things, you call me a maintenance worker. If then DOING what Scriptures plainly teaches me to DO, is called a maintenance worker, than i am most certainly a maintenance worker. Woe to them who are NOT, woe to them who are hearers only of the Word of God and not DOERS of the Word, If obeying the Bible makes me a maintenance worker, than i am thankful that through Jesus Christ i am one.

^i^

††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

You ask leading questions designed to get the response you want. And what you want is to be able to take some credit for your own salvation. Which is a slap in the face of Jesus, who alone has done everything to save you.

You want some shred of self-respect for which you can congratulate yourself. Something, anything, you can do. Anything but free grace. Nothing humiliates and angers the proud more than being told there is nothing they can do. It’s why so many like yourself rail against the grace of God….it takes them and their works out of the equation and makes it rightly all about Jesus.

 

[mj007]

FreeNChrist,

You do know that what you just said was a complete and utter fabrication?

fabricate - invent (something) in order to deceive

You ask leading questions designed to get the response you want. And what you want is to be able to take some credit for your own salvation. Which is a slap in the face of Jesus, who alone has done everything to save you.

You want some shred of self-respect for which you can congratulate yourself. Something, anything, you can do. Anything but free grace. Nothing humiliates and angers the proud more than being told there is nothing they can do. It’s why so many like yourself rail against the grace of God….it takes them and their works out of the equation and makes it rightly all about Jesus.

 

[wsblind]

Careful, blaspheme of the Holy Spirit of God is not forgiven to man. Please do not call that which is Good evil, which you have just done.

Carefully read your above quote again. This is why people would see you as a maintenance man in your salvation.

You even go as far as indirectly saying FreeNChrist has to "maintain" his salvation by the words he uses to you.

 

[DiscipleDave]

Disciple Dave,

What do you think the reason is that some people seem to take love out of the equation in communicating? I think a lot of people struggle with it, but I haven't yet got a definitive answer. I think it has something to do with the pain, loss and struggles people experience through 'human' love. I've seen a lot of hollow shells in my time, which started as a child. When I was about 6 or 7, I used to observe 'adults' and ask myself why don't they seem happy? Why don't they seem alive? Jesus said love your neighbour as you love yourself. But does it mean if people don't have love in their words to each other, they struggle with love for themselves? Or maybe they regard that as pride, while walking in pride at the same time? I don't know, but you seem wise friend.

Mark

The Number one thing i teach is for people who claim to be Saved to start Loving One Another.

i know that there are two types of people in the world
1) Those who Love One Another
and
2) Those who don't

God is LOVE. When people do not have God in their lives, they will not have LOVE either. People look for Love in others, that is to say they do not look for someone to love, they look for someone to LOVE THEM.

Love for Others will change your life and outlook on life itself.

When i am driving to work, and someone cuts me off, and i have to slam on my brake. i do not curse that person, i love that person, and do not judge that person. Do i know why that person is in a hurry, Do i automatically assume that person is a butthead? NO, that is not Godly, maybe that person is on the way to the hospital, maybe that person if he/she is late one more time will be Fired. i do not know why that person just cut me off, and i am NOT going to judge that person. So what i do instead is pray for that person that He does not hurt anyone and that he/she gets to where they need to be. Now before, as a typical Christian before i came to the understanding of the TRUTH, i would have cussed that driver, maybe tailed him/her for a bit, then get to work, and tell me people traffic is a nightmare, somebody cut me off, and i would be in a fowl mood because of it. But now, after learning the TRUTH about Loving One another, i have a peace that surpasses all understanding. Stuck in a traffic jam, i get to listen to the Christian radio station even longer. Lose my job, i thank God because He must have something better for me to do. Nothing brings me down, and He is on my thoughts continually. Love is the Answer to, well Everything.

God is Love. Those who have God in them, WILL have LOVE ONE for ANOTHER. But my calling is to those who claim to have LOVE IN THEM, yet their fruits are bad, they do not Love One Another as Jesus commanded them to do, and these also, which makes it even worse for me, think they are going to Heaven even though LOVE does not live in them, yet they claim that LOVE does live in them. You will know them by their fruits, what they say, how they respond and the such.

I don't know, but you seem wise friend.

If i were self righteous, i would accept this statement. But i can't accept this credit, but have to give it to whom it came from, and that is God. Tell me. If a King of a country tells a messenger go tell the Kingdom that i desire peace with them and will not rise up against them. The messenger goes to that kingdom and reveals that message to them. One of them say to the messenger "I don't know, but you seem wise friend" The messenger then say, it is not me, but the King of my country who told me to tell you that, i am but a messenger. i likewise say the same thing to you. it is not me, nor in me, to be wise, i merely repeat what God has told me. Matters of Fact i am very ignorant in many things, (Thank God for Youtube to teach me things, How to's and the such) But that i do not offend you, thank you for your kind words.

^i^

††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

 

[FreeNChrist]

FreeNChrist,

You do know that what you just said was a complete and utter fabrication?

fabricate - invent (something) in order to deceive

Who are you?

 

[DiscipleDave]

You ask leading questions designed to get the response you want. And what you want is to be able to take some credit for your own salvation. Which is a slap in the face of Jesus, who alone has done everything to save you.

You want some shred of self-respect for which you can congratulate yourself. Something, anything, you can do. Anything but free grace. Nothing humiliates and angers the proud more than being told there is nothing they can do. It’s why so many like yourself rail against the grace of God….it takes them and their works out of the equation and makes it rightly all about Jesus.

And this is evident that you don't know me at all, But you are quite the Judge aren't you?

^i^

††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

 

[FreeNChrist]

And this is evident that you don't know me at all, But you are quite the Judge aren't you?

^i^

††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

It is spot on. Your pride is your downfall.

 

[wsblind]

And this is evident that you don't know me at all, But you are quite the Judge aren't you?

^i^

††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

Yet, you just implied that FreeNChrist is on the precipice of being condemned. Go figure.

 

[mj007]

I am your brother.

Who are you?

 

[FreeNChrist]

I am your brother.

Are you? Then why are you working against me, brother?

 

[DiscipleDave]

Originally Posted by DiscipleDave

Careful, blaspheme of the Holy Spirit of God is not forgiven to man. Please do not call that which is Good evil, which you have just done.

Carefully read your above quote again. This is why people would see you as a maintenance man in your salvation.

You even go as far as indirectly saying FreeNChrist has to "maintain" his salvation by the words he uses to you.

Where have i said, if not in your own mind, that i indirectly saying FreeNChrist has to "maintain" his salvation by the words he uses to you?

i never once said anything remotely as to maintaining his salvation. What i did say is what Scriptures teach, that we as Christians are to maintain good works. i never said "maintain good works for your salvation" that is something that has popped up in your own mind as to what YOU think i am saying. What i said above is in regard to FreeNChrist saying that it was Pride on my part and not Love. Calling that which is Good, evil. Which Scriptures teach, not ME, that those who do such things are not forgiven.

Mar 3:29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation: Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit.

i said i said all that in LOVE, FreeInChrist said it seemed it was said in PRIDE. Jesus had a Holy Clean Spirit, they said he had an unclean spirit. i said it was in LOVE, which it was, FreeInChrist seems to think it was said in PRIDE. Therefore i gave the warning about calling that which is good, evil, and that it is not forgiven to man.

 

[DiscipleDave]

Originally Posted by DiscipleDave

And this is evident that you don't know me at all, But you are quite the Judge aren't you?

^i^

††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

Yet, you just implied that FreeNChrist is on the precipice of being condemned. Go figure.

Who is whispering these things to you? i have never, nor ever will condemn another person EVER, i am not a judge, nor have i done this wicked thing, as you now accuse me of doing. If then you are accusing me of doing this wicked thing, then show where i have done this, if you can't then you have altogether falsely judged a Brother in Christ. i forgive you.

Please who your basis for you thinking that i have condemned anyone at all?

^i^

††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

 

[mj007]

You do know that this was arrogance brother? It's ok to admit maybe you made a massive assumption, instead of going further down the hole of fabrication, by saying it was spot on.

arrogance - a attitude of superiority manifested in an overbearing manner or in presumptuous claims or assumptions

Just trying to help

It is spot on. Your pride is your downfall.

 

[wsblind]

Where have i said, if not in your own mind, that i indirectly saying FreeNChrist has to "maintain" his salvation by the words he uses to you?

i never once said anything remotely as to maintaining his salvation. What i did say is what Scriptures teach, that we as Christians are to maintain good works. i never said "maintain good works for your salvation" that is something that has popped up in your own mind as to what YOU think i am saying. What i said above is in regard to FreeNChrist saying that it was Pride on my part and not Love. Calling that which is Good, evil. Which Scriptures teach, not ME, that those who do such things are not forgiven.

Mar 3:29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation: Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit.

i said i said all that in LOVE, FreeInChrist said it seemed it was said in PRIDE. Jesus had a Holy Clean Spirit, they said he had an unclean spirit. i said it was in LOVE, which it was, FreeInChrist seems to think it was said in PRIDE. Therefore i gave the warning about calling that which is good, evil, and that it is not forgiven to man.

So, you did not carefully read your quote. Here it is...........again.

Careful, blaspheme of the Holy Spirit of God is not forgiven to man. Please do not call that which is Good evil, which you have just done.

 

[DiscipleDave]

Originally Posted by mj007

I am your brother.

Are you? Then why are you working against me, brother?

By your statement here, it seems you think anyone who works against YOU, is not a brother or sister. Can't you see something is not right here?

^i^

††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

 

[wsblind]

Who is whispering these things to you? i have never, nor ever will condemn another person EVER, i am not a judge, nor have i done this wicked thing, as you now accuse me of doing. If then you are accusing me of doing this wicked thing, then show where i have done this, if you can't then you have altogether falsely judged a Brother in Christ. i forgive you.

Please who your basis for you thinking that i have condemned anyone at all?

^i^

††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

You didn't carefully read your quote. Here it is again.....

Careful, blaspheme of the Holy Spirit of God is not forgiven to man. Please do not call that which is Good evil, which you have just done.

 

[FreeNChrist]

By your statement here, it seems you think anyone who works against YOU, is not a brother or sister. Can't you see something is not right here?

^i^

††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

I do see something is not right here. You're inability to understand what others write, and your pride that is the cause of it.