While I respect those who serve the army & those who put their lives on the line to defend the country I don't think it's something christians "should" do. What christians should do is spread the gospel to the lost & joining the army isn't required for that. Plus there are too many pointless wars started by the government who doesn't care about the lives of those who serve. For a long time now they have mistreated veterans after they put their lives on the line.
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Then take this one step further. How about into the work place. Most, not all, companies are run by non Christians. Christians who work for these companies will also have to do as they are told or be replaced. Now obviously they most likely wouldnt be told to kill someone but there would still be some questionable things told to do. Should all Christians only work for other Christians? It is up to the individual person to choose where they are to work. A Christian, no matter where they work, could have a huge impact upon others. King David stepped up in faith in God and killed another man. In faith a believer of God "joined" the military and killed.
You sound very confused here.
Talking about the workplace is not taking it one step further, it's derailing the thread completely.
Holding a gun in your hand and being ready to shoot someone or die is not the same as competing for a better position in an office with a co-worker.
And what makes you think working for a Christian in the work force is better than working for someone not saved?
I've worked for 3 nasty Christians in my day, and the best boss I ever had was a conservative Jew.
I would say Christianity is a burden for some people in the work place.
And talking about what King David did with the military in comparison with what Christians should do is an extra-biblical statement.
Study your Old Testament and understand it.
Then you can move on to the New Testament.
And finally, I don't see how anything I've said thus far could make sense to you since nothing you've said makes sense to me.
Got it?
We're from different planets!
Talking about the workplace is not taking it one step further, it's derailing the thread completely.
Holding a gun in your hand and being ready to shoot someone or die is not the same as competing for a better position in an office with a co-worker.
And what makes you think working for a Christian in the work force is better than working for someone not saved?
I've worked for 3 nasty Christians in my day, and the best boss I ever had was a conservative Jew.
I would say Christianity is a burden for some people in the work place.
And talking about what King David did with the military in comparison with what Christians should do is an extra-biblical statement.
Study your Old Testament and understand it.
Then you can move on to the New Testament.
And finally, I don't see how anything I've said thus far could make sense to you since nothing you've said makes sense to me.
Got it?
We're from different planets!
That's alright....I gave you evidences (biblically) of God raising and using earthly militaries to work his will...so choose to be wrong....the problem with people today.....no one will admit error and embrace the truth because of pride......
For, lo, I raise up the Chaldeans, that bitter and hasty nation, which shall march through the breadth of the land, to possess the dwellingplaces that are not theirs.
For our citizenship is in heaven, from which also we eagerly wait for a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ;
“Is it legal for you to flog a Roman citizen who hasn’t even been found guilty?”
For, lo, I raise up the Chaldeans, that bitter and hasty nation, which shall march through the breadth of the land, to possess the dwellingplaces that are not theirs.
For our citizenship is in heaven, from which also we eagerly wait for a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ;
“Is it legal for you to flog a Roman citizen who hasn’t even been found guilty?”
Someone may have a Christian boss but most likely work for a secular corporation. You either get with the program or find another job.
King David was a warrior and was foremost a military man. I don't believe that a soldier in the bible was ever admonished but only told to be content with their wages.
Having served in the US Army in the 101st Airborne Division I can honestly say that the military is the only government institution that I respect. If this country did not have a military German would be our primary language, or may Mandarin or Russian.
The primary purpose of the military is to break things and kill people that intend to do our country harm. The US military is comprised of 100% volunteers serving under great sacrifice and hardship and with honor and distinction and deserve our utmost respect.
I fully concur with your estimation.
King David was a warrior and was foremost a military man. I don't believe that a soldier in the bible was ever admonished but only told to be content with their wages.
Having served in the US Army in the 101st Airborne Division I can honestly say that the military is the only government institution that I respect. If this country did not have a military German would be our primary language, or may Mandarin or Russian.
The primary purpose of the military is to break things and kill people that intend to do our country harm. The US military is comprised of 100% volunteers serving under great sacrifice and hardship and with honor and distinction and deserve our utmost respect.
I fully concur with your estimation.
I am hoping that I am both but I will have to ponder that. Some of the events in the OT seem quite harsh and brutal but it is still the Word of God. As for the NT military, that will be a good topic to pursue with study.
These verses comes to mind:
Luke 22:36
He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one
Luke 22:38
The disciples said, "See, Lord, here are two swords." "That's enough!" he replied.
Just based on that my initial assessment is that Jesus is telling his disciples to be prepared to do battle and to trust in Him and not strictly rely on their weapons but on His guidance.
These two passages by themselves are by no means conclusive evidence of condoning military campaigns but quite possibly hold some meaning regarding military conflict.
These verses comes to mind:
Luke 22:36
He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one
Luke 22:38
The disciples said, "See, Lord, here are two swords." "That's enough!" he replied.
Just based on that my initial assessment is that Jesus is telling his disciples to be prepared to do battle and to trust in Him and not strictly rely on their weapons but on His guidance.
These two passages by themselves are by no means conclusive evidence of condoning military campaigns but quite possibly hold some meaning regarding military conflict.
Apparently what has been lost was the topic.
Instead of addressing the military and Christianity, we started talking about Christians in the work place.
You apparently lost the topic and I apparently got irritated by it.
The only military point you could add was something about King David and his military which never works when discussing the New Testament.
Then your ally chose to throw in a remark I made to another individual and that was an inside joke not meant to be used as fuel to increase an argument.
And you chose to go right along with him.
My jokes at that point were pointed at the idiocy of the two of you for lacking the understanding of what we were suppose to be talking about, which was the military and Christianity.
Now all this may be too much for you to understand , but I tried.
Instead of addressing the military and Christianity, we started talking about Christians in the work place.
You apparently lost the topic and I apparently got irritated by it.
The only military point you could add was something about King David and his military which never works when discussing the New Testament.
Then your ally chose to throw in a remark I made to another individual and that was an inside joke not meant to be used as fuel to increase an argument.
And you chose to go right along with him.
My jokes at that point were pointed at the idiocy of the two of you for lacking the understanding of what we were suppose to be talking about, which was the military and Christianity.
Now all this may be too much for you to understand , but I tried.
Your answer here is promoting the U.S. military.
Disregarding your first two sentences as being irrelevant, I think your opinion is pro nationalism.
I guess there's nothing wrong with that as long as it's put in it's proper place.
But Christianity should come first in a Christians life.
Jesus should be first.
People should be spending their time promoting Jesus and not nationalism of the United States.
Our nationalism should be the Kingdom of God.
I believe most Christians do not know this and do not understand this.
I myself feel a need to discuss it with others so that I can understand it better and then live it better.
I believe as Christians, we are all called to serve our God by promoting the Kingdom of God.
I don't understand how a Christian can so adamently promote anything else, especially something that interferes with our relationship with Jesus.
Disregarding your first two sentences as being irrelevant, I think your opinion is pro nationalism.
I guess there's nothing wrong with that as long as it's put in it's proper place.
But Christianity should come first in a Christians life.
Jesus should be first.
People should be spending their time promoting Jesus and not nationalism of the United States.
Our nationalism should be the Kingdom of God.
I believe most Christians do not know this and do not understand this.
I myself feel a need to discuss it with others so that I can understand it better and then live it better.
I believe as Christians, we are all called to serve our God by promoting the Kingdom of God.
I don't understand how a Christian can so adamently promote anything else, especially something that interferes with our relationship with Jesus.