Not By Works

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The 11th chapter of Hebrews testifies about the faith of many men and women of the bible.....

Noah was called righteous BEFORE he built the ark.....
Rahab believed the Hebrews were of GOD before she hid the spies...

the bible is replete men and women identified with GOD by FAITH long before their works and deeds were done...

JOSHUA and CALEB believed they could take the land 40 years before they were allowed to enter and take the land........

WORKS do not save....salvation is based upon faith before GOD....the works and fruit that follows....maybe soon after maybe not....are the results of faith and salvation that one already possesses...........

Trust JESUS....not yourself!

MANY WILL SAY........and then be cast!
 
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Works can't saves us, only Jesus can. It's not about us. It's about God's
Grace and Mercy. Jesus died so we could have a better life.
Romans5:8 But God demonstrated his own love towards, that while
we were yet sinners Christ died for us.
No condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus Romans 8:1-2
More than a conqueror through Christ Jesus Romans8:37
Victory in Jesus 1John5:4-5
Jesus is the Way John14:6
Salvation in Jesus Acts4:12
To God be the Glory,
Preacha24-7 Evangelist to the Homeless (Street Ministry)
 
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Good post i was thinking about my new faith today and i wreckon that works are a fruit of faith.
 
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Good post i was thinking about my new faith today and i wreckon that works are a fruit of faith.
Exactly....the fruit/works are the result of the faith and salvation that one already possesses in Christ by faith!.....
 
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The fruit of the spirit is

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control.
Gal 5:22-23

But the wisdom that comes from heaven is first of all pure; then peace-loving, considerate, submissive, full of mercy and good fruit, impartial and sincere.
James 3:17

Good works are the expression of this fruit.
 
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The fruit of the spirit is

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control.
Gal 5:22-23

But the wisdom that comes from heaven is first of all pure; then peace-loving, considerate, submissive, full of mercy and good fruit, impartial and sincere.
James 3:17

Good works are the expression of this fruit.
And the fruit/works are the result of the salvation one already possesses by faith...they do not save, keep saved and or add to salvation......!
 
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And the fruit/works are the result of the salvation one already possesses by faith...they do not save, keep saved and or add to salvation......!
The odd thing from your perspective is this is what I believe.
 

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FAITH ALONE SAVES IS A LIE, A FALSE DOCTRINE, UNBIBLICAL A DECEPTION SCHEME OF THE DEVIL TO PROMOTE DISOBEDIENCE, DISUNITY, WICKEDNESS & TO DESTROY THE TRUTH.

USING THE PHRASE “NOT BY WORKS”(eph 2:8-9), WHEREIN THE WORD “WORKS” REFER TO THE “WORKS OF THE LAW”(gal 2:16),THEY INTRODUCED “ FAITH ALONE SAVES” WHICH CONTRADICTS “FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD” (james 2:17-26) THUS INSULTING THE APOSTLE OF OUR LORD JESUS & THE HOLY SPIRIT GUIDING HIM AND MAKING IT APPEAR THAT THEY KNOW BETTER THAN THEM.

THIS IS ABOMINABLE IN THE SIGHT OF GOD AND A CHRISTIAN IN HIS RIGHT FRAME OF MIND WOULD BE ABLE TO DISCERN THE TRUTH AND GET AWAY FROM THESE SERVANTS OF DARKNESS WHOM IN THEIR HYPOCRISY BOASTS OF AN ETERNAL SALVATION WHICH THEY CLAIM TO ALREADY POSSESS AND THAT CANNOT BE LOST, SO THEY CAN DO WHATEVER THEY DESIRE TO DO.

THERE ARE ONLY TWO KINDS OF WORK, ONE THAT IS GOOD(THAT IS OBEDIENCE TO THE WILL OF GOD),AND ONE THAT IS BAD(OBEDIENCE TO THE WILL OF THE DEVIL).

2 Corinthians 11:3-4,13-15 But I am afraid that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent’s cunning, your minds may somehow be led astray from your sincere and pure devotion to Christ. For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough. For such men are FALSE apostles, DECEITFUL WORKMEN, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.

1 Corinthians 15:33-34 Do not be misled: “Bad company corrupts good character.” Come back to your senses as you ought, and stop sinning; for there are some who are ignorant of God—I say this to your shame.

2 Corinthians 13:7-8 Now we pray to God that you will not DO anything WRONG. Not that people will see that we have stood the test but that you will DO what is RIGHT even though we may seem to have failed. For we cannot do anything against the truth, but only for the truth.


Galatians 2:8,16,20-21 For GOD, who was AT WORK in the MINISTRY of Peter as an apostle to the Jews, was also at work in my ministry as an apostle to the Gentiles. know that a man is not justified by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ.(refer to ephesians 2:8-9) So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by observing the law, because by observing the law no one will be justified. I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. I do not set aside the GRACE OF GOD, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!”

Hebrews 5:8-9 though He were a Son, yet learned He obedience by the things which He suffered. And being made perfect, He became the author of eternal SALVATION unto all those who OBEY Him.
 
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Talisman christians

A Talisman christian claims by just believing Jesus is Christ is what makes you a child of God.
Zero law, forgiveness for everything all the time, most of scripture not relevant.

They do not believe in the fruit of repentance, walking righteously unto the law of Christ.
They believe if you put any conditions on behaviour you are living in unbelief, because you
are trying to earn your salvation.

The problem is their hearts are stone cold, and they do not know the ways of love.

They will be hot on Jesus and His position, but not on the believer and their heartfelt
response and transformation.

The language of love is far from their lips, but miracles, power and living to your dreams
is constantly spoken of, and condemnation of those who seek God righteously.
 
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FAITH ALONE SAVES IS A LIE, A FALSE DOCTRINE, UNBIBLICAL A DECEPTION SCHEME OF THE DEVIL TO PROMOTE DISOBEDIENCE, DISUNITY, WICKEDNESS & TO DESTROY THE TRUTH.

USING THE PHRASE “NOT BY WORKS”(eph 2:8-9), WHEREIN THE WORD “WORKS” REFER TO THE “WORKS OF THE LAW”(gal 2:16),THEY INTRODUCED “ FAITH ALONE SAVES” WHICH CONTRADICTS “FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD” (james 2:17-26) THUS INSULTING THE APOSTLE OF OUR LORD JESUS & THE HOLY SPIRIT GUIDING HIM AND MAKING IT APPEAR THAT THEY KNOW BETTER THAN THEM.

THIS IS ABOMINABLE IN THE SIGHT OF GOD AND A CHRISTIAN IN HIS RIGHT FRAME OF MIND WOULD BE ABLE TO DISCERN THE TRUTH AND GET AWAY FROM THESE SERVANTS OF DARKNESS WHOM IN THEIR HYPOCRISY BOASTS OF AN ETERNAL SALVATION WHICH THEY CLAIM TO ALREADY POSSESS AND THAT CANNOT BE LOST, SO THEY CAN DO WHATEVER THEY DESIRE TO DO.

THERE ARE ONLY TWO KINDS OF WORK, ONE THAT IS GOOD(THAT IS OBEDIENCE TO THE WILL OF GOD),AND ONE THAT IS BAD(OBEDIENCE TO THE WILL OF THE DEVIL).

2 Corinthians 11:3-4,13-15 But I am afraid that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent’s cunning, your minds may somehow be led astray from your sincere and pure devotion to Christ. For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough. For such men are FALSE apostles, DECEITFUL WORKMEN, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.

1 Corinthians 15:33-34 Do not be misled: “Bad company corrupts good character.” Come back to your senses as you ought, and stop sinning; for there are some who are ignorant of God—I say this to your shame.

2 Corinthians 13:7-8 Now we pray to God that you will not DO anything WRONG. Not that people will see that we have stood the test but that you will DO what is RIGHT even though we may seem to have failed. For we cannot do anything against the truth, but only for the truth.


Galatians 2:8,16,20-21 For GOD, who was AT WORK in the MINISTRY of Peter as an apostle to the Jews, was also at work in my ministry as an apostle to the Gentiles. know that a man is not justified by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ.(refer to ephesians 2:8-9) So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by observing the law, because by observing the law no one will be justified. I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. I do not set aside the GRACE OF GOD, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!”

Hebrews 5:8-9 though He were a Son, yet learned He obedience by the things which He suffered. And being made perfect, He became the author of eternal SALVATION unto all those who OBEY Him.
hey bud, a few notes.

1. Legalism promotes sin Not grace, It waters down the law. and as long as you d not do certain pet sins, your in.

2. Grace promotes a life of people wanting to serve their father. out of thanksgiving, gratitude and love

3. There is no law in Ephesians, You adding to the word by saying "works" in eph 2 is referring to the law. Nothing in context of the passage has any reference to law.

4. James did not contradict paul. He stated a fact. If you CLAIM you have faith, but have ZERO WORKS. your faith is dead (non existent) and can not save you why? We are saved by faith, Faith produces works..

5. your right, there are two kinds of works.. But your wrong as to what they are. There are good works (works of righteousness) which are those done in the spirit. Their are unrighteous works. Those done in the flesh.. Two people cna do the same act. Yet one it is an act of sin, the other and act of righteousness..

6. 2 cor. 11.. You and those who preach the cross is not enough are those who preach a different jesus.. You state his work was not enough, When he said it is finshed (complete)

7. You seem to be preaching sinlessness. Are you, if you are, you are an extreme legalist. who needs to study the law more. so you can realize just how sinful you really are.. because the law has not led you to christ

8. Gods people do obey him, they do not live in sin (1 John 3) one who sins has never seen God or known him (again John 3)
 
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eternally-gratefull

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You do not make that very clear if that is what you believe........
don't know about you. but I am confused.

He said YOU think he teaches works have nothing to do with salvation, at least that is how I read it.

did you change your view?? lol
 
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Hi talisman believer.

When will you open your heart to love?
We are called to follow the law of Christ.

We are under grace as expressed by the love through the Cross of Christ.

And this love and forgiveness washes us clean and makes us into temples of the Holy Spirit.
And as temples when we see need we respond, because that is what loving people do.

When we compare our behaviour in love to the law of Christ we find we fulfill it without
even trying.

I suggest you try it yourself.
 
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don't know about you. but I am confused.

He said YOU think he teaches works have nothing to do with salvation, at least that is how I read it.

did you change your view?? lol
It is strange how you claim to know so much about everyone, including me
yet you do not comprehend the gospel itself.

Love drives everything. God is love.
Love brought the cross to mankind, the ultimate statement of commitment from
God to redeem mankind if we will accept it, listen and follow.

And the enemy will always stop everything, halfway if possible.
Believe but do not do. Believe but keep a hard heart.
Believe but perform ceremonies, never sort out your hearts and apply this
love and forgiveness to actually become clean.

And spend all your time condemning others, that they have denied Christ,
when it is these people who are listening and following the word of the Lord.
 
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EG - don't fall for the baiting and calling of names towards you. Just ignore these attacks and treat them like you would a porn ad that pops up on your screen to try to defile you.

Hebrews 12:15 (NASB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] See to it that no one comes short of the grace of God; that no root of bitterness springing up causes trouble, and by it many be defiled;
 
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eternally-gratefull

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EG - don't fall for the baiting and calling of names towards you.
I can't see what he says unless someone quotes him anyway, so no worries.. Just report it if it is bad.. I was not even speaking to him, I asked DC if he misunderstood what Peter was saying is all.
 
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treat them like you would a porn ad that pops up on your screen to try to defile you.
Calling people to respond to love from the heart, to cleanse themselves through the
cross, to have an open heart to God and Christ, is now "porn"!!!!!

Only a false teacher would say such a thing, a wolf in sheeps clothing.

How is it love speaking to us, teaching us through the words of Jesus defiles a person?

Only the enemy would say such a thing, literally.
And if you follow this advice, you know who you will have to stand before to justify how
you walked, if you even have walked with Jesus at all.
 
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I will give thanks to the Lord because of his righteousness; I will sing the praises of the name of the Lord Most High.
............................................................................................ Psalm 7:17

Sing the praises of the Lord, enthroned in Zion; proclaim among the nations what he has done.
............................................................................................ Psalm 9:11

I will sing the Lord’s praise, for he has been good to me.
............................................................................................ Psalm 13:6

I will praise the Lord, who counsels me; even at night my heart instructs me.
............................................................................................ Psalm 16:7

I called to the Lord, who is worthy of praise, and I have been saved from my enemies.
............................................................................................ Psalm 18:3

At that time Jesus, full of joy through the Holy Spirit, said, “I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. Yes, Father, for this is what you were pleased to do.
............................................................................................ Luke 10:21
 
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I can't see what he says unless someone quotes him anyway, so no worries.. Just report it if it is bad.. I was not even speaking to him, I asked DC if he misunderstood what Peter was saying is all.

That's good.. It's best just to walk in what Paul says. It's a blessing - believe me.

Romans 16:17 (KJV)
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Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.



You say - The sky is blue....but some will say you are saying it is green. These types we just have to ignore as they just distort what is being said and personal name-calling is their specialty.