Tithe!

[tourist]

I don't know how precious your time is, but I read all 954 posts up to this point to say what I say.
How many have you read?
Maybe your time is just too precious to even answer me.

It just seems to me like you have an attitude. Actually, I have read only a few of the post on this thread. I simply stated my view and for some reason that seem to set you off. Let's just forget about this OK. I leave you in peace.

 

[Test_F_i_2_Luv]

I read an article in Charisma magazine back 2001. What I'm about to tell you

may shock you. It said that 75% of Evangelical Christians don't pay tithes.
People who don't pay tithes are cheating themselves out of a blessing
and are also disobedient to God's Word. There's rewards for obeying God.
People refer to heaven as the promise land. You don't have to wait to
go to heaven to get blessed. Those who love the Lord and obey His
commands will be blessed. Malachi9:10 Bring all the tithes into the
storehouse, That there may be food in My house, And try Me now
in this, Says the Lord of hosts, If I will not open for you the windows
of heaven And pour out for you such blessing That there will not
be room enough to receive it. People need to stop playing games
and get serious about serving God. God ain't the one to be playing games
with. Study God's Word daily.
Learn it, Live it, and Obey.
To God be the Glory,
Preacha24-7 Evangelist to the Homeless (Street Ministry)

Read post #948.

Why?

I commented on Mal 3:10(it's not Mal 9:10 - which doesn't exist) 2 posts before yours.

I did look up an article from Charisma on the issue of tithing. I was disappointed, as it brings up the same lame arguments I've seen in this thread(and others on CC) that have been refuted. Incidentally, the comments right under the Charisma article also refute the article itself.

 

[Test_F_i_2_Luv]

I call it a tithe because it is based on biblical principal. A church doesn't need to make money to survive but rather needs money to operate any physical plant where the members congregate. What is most important is whether said church is an effective instrument of God to serve His purposes. Often this takes money to help those who are less fortunate. Tithing is a form of discipline.

I encounter people who say they tithe when they are not. They think "giving" and "tithing" are synonymous.

The two concepts are different(and I support the former).

Anyway, a couple examples...

They might, for example, give $2 on $10 and call it a tithe. That's actually a double tithe.
They might give .75 on $10 and call it a tithe. That's actually less than a tithe.

On $10, only $1 is a tithe.

 

[Test_F_i_2_Luv]

A tithe is 10% of your increase. If your increase is money, then you tithe money. If it is crops, then you tithe crops.

Tithing is also part of OT law. As law, it has been superseded.

Under the law, God wanted His 10%.

Under Christ, we are to give it ALL (100%) to Him.

Under the law, God wanted a Levitical tithe, Festival tithe, and Poor tithe. That is NOT 10%.

Post Calvary:

Each of you should give what you have decided in your heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver. -2 Cor 9:7

 

[samuel23]

Whether or not tithing is a good idea is not really the issue. The issue is, is it proper to lie about the word of God in order to bring in money? Anyone can read the 15 chapter of Acts...tithing was never placed on the church by God. It has been placed on the church by men not afraid to change the intentions of God...scary.

 

[fredoheaven]

I find it fascinating to see so many misused passages of Scripture in one post.
First and foremost, the Bereans studied Scripture to see if the Gospel of Jesus was correct.
They were not studying the use of tithing in the New Testament.

I see no fault in citing verses like the Bereans did concerning whether the teaching of Apostle Paul is in the scriptures. What is being overlooked here is the fact that the Bereans did scrutinize the teaching of Apostle Paul. Likewise, there is a need to search the scriptures whether things preached is in line with what the Word of God says.

 

[fredoheaven]

I don't think the principle of tithing is a problem here.
Teaching and practicing sound doctrine is the problem.
If one gives 10% from their heart, God blesses them.
If one gives more or less than 10% from their heart, God blesses them.
For us to make a determination which amount pleases God the most, then we are certainly Gods ourselves.

Tithes means 10% which is the standard biblical meaning as put in the OT and in the NT. Pre-law, the law, pre-cross and the post cross would always point to mean the tenth. The heart you say? Well the Bible says it is deceitful above all things. We cannot put our heart as the standard measuring test, let the Bible be our measuring test. The Bible says and not what your heart says. God is not requiring you to give tithe of less than when you really don’t have. Give the tenth when you have. Whether you give 10% or more, It is God who knows your heart.

Jeremiah 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

 

[fredoheaven]

I don't put myself in that category.
The tithe cannot be a practice of the New Testament.
It is only an example of giving.
It is a Levitical Law that is no longer practiced by anyone Jew who understands Scripture.
It has nothing to do with Christianity.
Abraham gave a tenth of his spoils, never to give anything to anyone ever again.
Is that what we as Christians should be doing?

Same arguments REGARDING Abram, but there is a record that Abram give tithes and that’s pre-law. Now don’t put me into the law since we no longer in the age of Law.

Thanks

 

[fredoheaven]

It is a Levitical Law that is no longer practiced by anyone Jew who understands Scripture.
It has nothing to do with Christianity.
Abraham gave a tenth of his spoils, never to give anything to anyone ever again.
Is that what we as Christians should be doing?
Giving God the spoils of war one time only and that's the end of it?
Christ taught the Pharisees about tithing because they were still under the Law.
End of story there.

What you’re seeing is the spoils of war noT the tithe or 10% principles as attested in the book of Hebrews. No I could not duplicate the spoils of Abraham. Abram is Abram, neither the Pharisees but I can do give/return what is required, the minimum of the tenth.

 

[fredoheaven]

Are you finally walking away from this thread?
Don't go!
You still have a chance to win.
Believe in yourself.
Go for it.
I think you've got what it takes to fight til the end!

Ohh! Unless the word tithe is no longer be found in the Bible that’s the end. Winning the argument is nothing, teaching is a good thing. I believe what the Bible says not in myself. To God be the Glory!

 

[fredoheaven]

Romans 12:6;
"We have different gifts, according to the grace given us."
Romans 12:8b;
"if it is contributing to the needs of others, let him give generously".

As you can see, giving is a gift.
Not everyone has it.
To tell someone they need to give when their gift is something else, is wrong.
You should look to build up the body of Christ, nothing else.

Yea I believe in the ‘gift of giving’ a supernatural act to accumulate wealth and give large amount of money for the ministry, however, there is no reason one cannot give. God the Father set the example by giving His Son. If you have no substance, wealth to give then give yourselves to the Lord. There is record in the Bible that even out of their poverty they still give.

 

[fredoheaven]

Abraham gathered slaves.
Did he give 10% of his slaves as well?

Not directed to me but

Can you show in the scripture that Abram gathered slaves? Oh no! it must be in Error, Abraham had trained servants not slaves.

Genesis 14:14 And when Abram heard that his brother was taken captive, he armed his trained servants, born in his own house, three hundred and eighteen, and pursued them unto Dan

Thanks

 

[fredoheaven]

Lol, you funny!
How can anyone discuss with you when you respond as a child?

Ho. ho, the funny thing is that you are trying to discuss with childhood mind.

God bless

 

[AllenW]

It just seems to me like you have an attitude. Actually, I have read only a few of the post on this thread. I simply stated my view and for some reason that seem to set you off. Let's just forget about this OK. I leave you in peace.

Sorry, I was all keyed up from responding to 954 posts!

 

[AllenW]

Tithes means 10% which is the standard biblical meaning as put in the OT and in the NT. Pre-law, the law, pre-cross and the post cross would always point to mean the tenth. The heart you say? Well the Bible says it is deceitful above all things. We cannot put our heart as the standard measuring test, let the Bible be our measuring test. The Bible says and not what your heart says. God is not requiring you to give tithe of less than when you really don’t have. Give the tenth when you have. Whether you give 10% or more, It is God who knows your heart.

Jeremiah 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

Each of you should give what you have decided in your heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.

 

[AllenW]

What you’re seeing is the spoils of war noT the tithe or 10% principles as attested in the book of Hebrews. No I could not duplicate the spoils of Abraham. Abram is Abram, neither the Pharisees but I can do give/return what is required, the minimum of the tenth.

Learn to understand your Bible.
If you are doing it because it is required, then you are doing it under the Law.
Each of you should give what you have decided in your heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.

 

[AllenW]

Yea I believe in the ‘gift of giving’ a supernatural act to accumulate wealth and give large amount of money for the ministry, however, there is no reason one cannot give. God the Father set the example by giving His Son. If you have no substance, wealth to give then give yourselves to the Lord. There is record in the Bible that even out of their poverty they still give.

Yes, I agree.
But it's not called a tithe.

 

[AllenW]

Not directed to me but

Can you show in the scripture that Abram gathered slaves? Oh no! it must be in Error, Abraham had trained servants not slaves.

Genesis 14:14 And when Abram heard that his brother was taken captive, he armed his trained servants, born in his own house, three hundred and eighteen, and pursued them unto Dan

Thanks

Well, thank you for teaching me something.
It was easy to mix them up.
No excuses, I was wrong.

 

[fredoheaven]

Each of you should give what you have decided in your heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.

This speaks of the cheerful giving of which I am not against.
But where do gt this idea of cheerful giving? Isn't this in the scripture?

Thanks

 

[fredoheaven]

Learn to understand your Bible.
If you are doing it because it is required, then you are doing it under the Law.
Each of you should give what you have decided in your heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.

Genesis 9:5 And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man.
1 Cor. 4:2 Moreover it is required in stewards, that a man be found faithful.

Oh no it is because I used the English word ‘requires’ is put altogether to mean it as ‘Law”?
I know you, you know the above verses that the word require is also used in the period before the Law of Moses but also in the dispensation of grace as it so requires. The point is “require” is not only word for the Law, to speak of the Law but basically used in the pre Law and also in the post Law

Yep, needed ot learn my Bible

God bless