I thought the PE was all about conservative values? How can inviting Jenner be all about conservative values?
I have a question, you're getting married your Brother is transgender, I don't mean he just likes to wear dresses I mean he's had surgery and calls himself by a different name, do you leave him off the guest list? Do you exclude him from your life?
Absolute physical impossibility to create a woman's vagina on a man, from parts of his wanker. Ridiculous rubbish.
I think you guys need a reality check. There are young children now demanding gender reassignment.
What kind of BS is this if we just say " ah well, God will forgive them"
Nah. You murder someone, you go to jail for life, or go to the gallows.
You reassign, you are a lost cause. This is not Winnie The Pooh or a fairy tale, Jesus does not come back and stick a new one on.
You sort of compared 2 different concepts that have nothing to do with each other: God's forgiveness, and miraculous healing of a missing body part.
1. Of course God can forgive him.
2. But, even if Bruce does want forgiveness, God is not going to miraculously supply him with a new penis.
3. My own thought: although anyone CAN BE forgiven, by the time you're chopping off your own genitals, you've "probably" passed the place mentally/spiritually where you're ever WILLING to ask for forgiveness.
Finally, whatever we think about Trump's position on this, he doesn't have the job of being a pastor or theologian...
he has the job of being the President.
I didn't hire him to be my pastor.
Hopefully he'll be good at the job he was hired for.... and we all knew he wasn't a classical conservative when we hired him.
Jesus came that we might have life - did you forget that?
I don't see that your reference to John 10:10 contradicts anything I said.
If you feel that verse contradicts anything I said, please post your explanation.
You sort of compared 2 different concepts that have nothing to do with each other: God's forgiveness, and miraculous healing of a missing body part.
I don't know. Ask Creflo Dollar if he has ever performed a miraculous penis replacement.
It is possible. Jesus healed withered arms.
But it is academic to me. The Church should teach that killing someone is a mortal sin because it cannot be undone.
Forgiveness is of little consolation to the family who has lost their loved one / breadwinner / etc etc
Likewise forgiveness is not really the big issue here with transgenderism.
If an 11 year old thinking about it hears that God will forgive them they might go ahead. If they hear that God strongly condemns such madness, they might reappraise their decision and life. Just sayin'
1. You say that it's entirely possible God may give Bruce a new penis.
2. You then you say if children get the wrong message, they might go ahead and get a sex change... which is TERRIBLE!
Ummmm....
If God is in the PENIS REPLACEMENT business,
then what's the real harm if kids get a sex change...
since God can just change it back later?
The problem is this:
You know perfectly well God isn't going to give Bruce Jenner, or anyone other transexual, a brand new miracle penis.
You KNOW this isn't going to happen.
And THAT IS PRECISELY WHY a sex change is so bad.
YOU KNOW it's irreversible.
And yet you make these silly arguments anyway.
Just silly.
It's silly to argue about things you don't even believe yourself.
I don't believe we should test God.
God can do anything he wants, and of course can repair human tissue.
But you can also jump off a bridge and expect God to catch you.
So let's stick to reality.
I can't see anything strange, unorthodox, or controversial with my original statement... which you wanted to argue about.1. Of course God can forgive him.
2. But, even if Bruce does want forgiveness, God is not going to miraculously supply him with a new penis.
3. My own thought: although anyone CAN BE forgiven, by the time you're chopping off your own genitals, you've "probably" passed the place mentally/spiritually where you're ever WILLING to ask for forgiveness.
You sort of compared 2 different concepts that have nothing to do with each other: God's forgiveness, and miraculous healing of a missing body part.
1. Of course God can forgive him.
2. But, even if Bruce does want forgiveness, God is not going to miraculously supply him with a new penis.
3. My own thought: although anyone CAN BE forgiven, by the time you're chopping off your own genitals, you've "probably" passed the place mentally/spiritually where you're ever WILLING to ask for forgiveness.
Finally, whatever we think about Trump's position on this, he doesn't have the job of being a pastor or theologian...
he has the job of being the President.
I didn't hire him to be my pastor.
Hopefully he'll be good at the job he was hired for.... and we all knew he wasn't a classical conservative when we hired him.
I think this is incredibly simplistic. We have a culture that screams be perverted.
7PM on the telly now:
Witchcraft, Satanism, Homosexuality, etc etc etc. Things our parents thought outlandish and impossible.
The most violent attacks on Christianity are Evolution and anything anti-family.
Children are being saturated with messages of gay is good, men are bad, etc etc etc.
In tow to all this is a fad of transgenderism, where children, e.g 7 year olds, are now demanding gender reassignment.
Once it is done, it is done.
The Church really just has to say it is madness. That is all I am saying.
There is nothing complicated or semantic about this.
God can forgive anyone? That is to me totally academic here. We need just to discuss basic morality, no more no less.