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I understand that theory, but that will not work with stars that are billions of light years away. OR are they..... They are still outside of our realm of atmosphere and your so-called gravity.
Sorry but DEBUNKED
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The Sun does move and I am a Geocentric person..The Earth is the Center of our Universe.
All information to the contrary can be debunked to about 99.7% accuracy.
Now I don't believe I would as "Calvin" did classify everybody as 'stark raving mad' or 'possessed by the Devil'.
Rather it has been and will be a part of the "Great Deception" that really started back in 1947 with Admiral Bird and will not stop until the Whore that rides the Beast is taken care of'.
To move societies,, you must first start with the Children. Hitler realized this and it worked.
No, not in short supply but rather non-existent in the round earthers. The interpretation is not lacking but rather like the replacement theology,,,, there is another theology in the wings.........Man ability over God.
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You can't win a argument with a fool.",,, I agree exactly........
If you believe that mankind witchcraft is greater than God's. Look back through your records of history and you'll see that astrology is a very pagan in History and still is today.
However, most people can not visualize a flat earth and have become so accustom to seeing what NASA tells you (especially the older ones) they cannot bring themselves to even contemplate the idea.
Having said that,,,,, For those people who are ignorant of their surroundings, it will be of no consequence...However, for those of us that read and study the WORD of GOD, it is apparent a great deception is ongoing.
Oh wow,,,,, Gary A....... This picture of earth is a different color, the continents are different. Having said that,,,, it appears the clouds are the same or some of the same as the other 7-8 pictures of earth.
it's not a picture, it's a video.
as such there are 25 minutes of clouds. which ones do you think are copy-paste?
tell me the minutes/second you are referring to.
tell me exactly what minute/second it shows frames that you think you can't match to the actual earth, please.
your own ignorance of geography doesn't mean anything about the veracity of what you see.
point out what you can't identify, and we'll solve it together.
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Karraster
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I did read most of your blog and found it useful, thanks. One thing tho, that "hang" and "rest" are not as different as night and day?, well, I say they are very different. In fact, if the earth hangs on nothing, isn't it plausible to conclude that hanging is unnecessary because it indeed does rest on something? So I think it's a great argument. I agree, geocentric. stationary earth.
Not that I'm very familiar with Calvin, but to quote from your blog, "..it is a grave error to reinterpret ancient documents to force their authors to speak with modern voices." with that in mind, I will put Calvin's words in context with the age he lived, where helio model was to most people, contradicting the Bible. Many years have passed/generations to now in which the helio model is taught from birth, the majority simply do not for one minute question it. I didn't until recently.
Absolutely, the decievers like to indoctrinate the very young. The ISS have more toys on board than a daycare. There broadcasts would be quite amusing were it not for knowing their targeted audience, the innocent children.
or are you actually interested in finding the truth?
doing actual science?
mocking is easy. it's for fools.
getting understanding is harder.
on that note, you posted a number of replies. but you ignored me.
please respond to post #607
i am asking you, personally, direct questions.
If I understand the FENS argument correctly, you who promote it claim that your interpretation of the Bible is the only possible meaning and everyone who disagrees with you is deceived by NASA.
Do you realize how arrogant it is to presume that your interpretation of the Bible is infallible and everyone who disagrees with your presumed inerrant interpretation is spiritually inferior to you?
That is what this thread is really all about: not a flat vs spherical earth, but a few people who consider themselves so spiritually superior to the rest of us that they believe their interpretation of a few obscure Biblical passages are inerrant and infallible. The humility of God is not in them.
Do you realize how arrogant it is to presume that your interpretation of the Bible is infallible and everyone who disagrees with your presumed inerrant interpretation is spiritually inferior to you?
That is what this thread is really all about: not a flat vs spherical earth, but a few people who consider themselves so spiritually superior to the rest of us that they believe their interpretation of a few obscure Biblical passages are inerrant and infallible. The humility of God is not in them.
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I am not lying. I simply have never actually seen any [ supposed ] video footage of the Earth from the ISS - whereby, everything was not moving at the same speed -- such as the video you posted. Of course, that does not mean I am buying it -- 25 minutes of mostly ocean and clouds? Clouds are easy. Where are the recognizable land masses? Where are the video segments that include a full pass of the sun and / or moon overhead from the horizon?
Why is it that - on the ISS "tours" videos - when they point the camera out a window, such that the Earth can be seen - the Earth is not moving? ( Or, barely / hardly moving. ) Don't you think it should be spinning in some direction at a similar speed as - say - that video you posted? Why is there no evidence - or appearance even - that the ISS is moving at a speed around 17,000 MPH??? Why does it seem to be a lot higher up - and have a different orientation relative to the Earth - in those videos - than in the one you posted?
Why is there so much inconsistency in the various [ types of ] Earth-from-ISS videos that NASA et al puts out?
10/10 legit picture
I wonder what will happen if you get into a boat in America and navigate yourself direct West from there... will you actually fall of the earth?
If I was a flat earther I would make the split of my frisbee at the Bermuda Triangle. At least some boats and planes go missing there.
They say an ice wall that is to high to get over surrounds earth. We'll see.
When does an argument stop? When the definitive facts have been presented.
It is only fair to prove the point.
Some may listen, but nut jobs will always be with us, it is up to us to answer,
and then leave, because otherwise we will be wasting our time on a nut job
who will never change, and we are just as crazy as them if we carry on.
Remember if they all saw the truth except one would you stop, or is it
a mirror image of yourself that is too fascinating, lol
It is only fair to prove the point.
Some may listen, but nut jobs will always be with us, it is up to us to answer,
and then leave, because otherwise we will be wasting our time on a nut job
who will never change, and we are just as crazy as them if we carry on.
Remember if they all saw the truth except one would you stop, or is it
a mirror image of yourself that is too fascinating, lol
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GaryA
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I have noticed that the latest "thing" on youtube seems to be - using a 'presentation' image [SUP]1[/SUP] that is nowhere-to-be-found in the actual video. Even some of the authors of Flat Earth videos do this. I hate it. Why? Because - to me - it is deception. I believe that the presentation image should be taken from somewhere in the video. The obvious exception is - when it is a "title page introduction" type of image that is blatently understood to not actually be part of the video footage itself. But, any image that looks like it might come from the actual video footage -- should be found somewhere in the video footage. It is as simple as that.
In the video posthuman posted ( not blaming him, it is not his fault ), not a single frame in the whole thing looks ilke anything even close to the presentation image. This is "flat-out" deception as far as I am concerned...
If I were the policy-setting authority for youtube - or any similar site -- I would surely make it mandatory policy that the 'presentation' image MUST be taken from some place in the video where it displays for absolutely no less than one full complete-and-continuous second.
[SUP]1[/SUP] The image you see before clicking on it to view the video - is there an official term for this? I am not sure what else to call it. Thanks in advance to anyone who can tell me.
Advertisement image?
grab-your-attention-and-entice-you-to-watch-the-video image?
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GaryA
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Let me add some simple points...
"True enough..." -- and, it fits both Ball Earth and Flat Earth models.
Interestingly, you do not get the same "effects" at both 'poles'. If the Earth were as modern 'science' suggests -- within the 1 year cycle of the orbit of the Earth around the sun - every place on Earth would receive the same light and heat from the sun as the corresponding place on the other side of the globe, at the same distance from the equator. For example, 75 degrees north of the equator would be like 75 degrees south of the equator. However, that is not the reality. While plenty of plant and animal life flourishes in the far northern regions, such hardly exists at all in the comparable south regions - both being the same distance from the equator - at 75 degrees, both north and south, for example.
The north 'pole' is so incredibly and vastly different than the south 'pole'. Why is that, if the Earth is a spinning ball?
The far-more-frigid cold in the south does not match what is found in the north at the same distance from the equator.
These things do not fit the Ball Earth model at all - it makes no sense; however, they fit the Flat Earth model perfectly.
I find the north-vs-south comparison to be one of the most compelling evidences that the Earth is not a spinning ball.
Not necessarily infinite. But, yeah - they are not the same.
You got it. All fake. End of story.
Single unedited snapshot photographs of the whole earth? Where are they? Let's see 'em...
A 'composite' picture is not worth anything, where 'proof' is concerned. Show me a single, complete, unedited, actual 'snapshot' photogragh of the whole earth -- "and then we can talk"...
Because - this "alternative world" is the actual truth - the real world - not the fake one produced by evil men to hide the truth about the world we live in.
Most demonstrate that they are still asleep in the MATRIX...
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MattTooFor
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This post on Page 1 of this thread from "RachelBibleStudent" way back in September deserves a re-posting, since the flat-earthers here never addressed it (that I can see):amateur astronomers have taken photos of the international space station and space shuttle in orbit...for example...
also thousands of amateur astronomers regularly observe satellites passing overhead and know when and where to look due to the orbital data available on the satellites...
How in the world do you get cooperation in the "cover-up conspiracy" from thousands of amateur astronomers who go out under the night sky on a daily basis and observe satellites flying by? These satellites, as one can easily observe, have zero aerodynamics.
How do the NASA conspirators get these things to stay airborne AND travel overhead like clockwork on an 'earth orbit' schedule...all of it duly noted by thousands of amateur astronomers / "fellow NASA conspirators"?
All of the flat-earthers I have noticed are either folks who have tremendous difficulty with the reasoning process (whatever the cause may be) OR they are, indeed, trolls with very interesting backstories. I know about some of these folks. Pretty scary stuff.
Can I just ask all the flat earthers a question? If the earth is indeed flat then please explain to me how the mass works correctly? because again in order for gravity to work correctly to completely use the gravitational pull to orbit all the planets they have to have a certain amount of mass to them or else they will either fly out of the orbit or get knocked out of orbit by a another giant rock.
How do you get a flat planet to have the amount of mass required to remain in orbit correctly?
How do you get a flat planet to have the amount of mass required to remain in orbit correctly?