I said some days, not a lot of days.my goal everyday is to not sin, but there are days I fall short of that goal. You have days where you don't fall short?!
I said some days, not a lot of days.my goal everyday is to not sin, but there are days I fall short of that goal. You have days where you don't fall short?!
I couldn't agree more with your last sentence. Contention and division is never from God. It would be so much better if the OP's of threads (most thread titles lately read like click bait ) worded their posts in such a way to present their own views on a verse or doctrine and left out negative comparisons. It's like a politician that never sticks to discussing his own platform, but has to attack his opponent and expose his flaws to validate his own position. The introductory posts of many threads leave no room for actual discussion. It's a clear message from the get go that if you disagree with the stance presented by the OP that you are either a heretic, legalistic, sinner, wolf, etcNo worries! Your admission only proves how beautifully your heart responds to situations. You shoulda saw what a jerk I was when I 1st started here. I had some things wrong, but even on the things I had right I didn't display much love.
You do.
To my knowledge, no one has been banned for proclaiming Salvation by Grace alone. THREADS on "hypergrace", a term used for derogatory purposes, by those who don't understand the freedom Christ gave us, have been forbidden. Some try backdoor threads to continuously bring up the subject.
If a post is not only devoid of love, but antagonistic to another person, that is a good sign that what they are saying is not of the Holy Spirit.
Have a Blessed night!
Isn't this something? Several people twisted Desert Rose's post to accuse her of accusing others of teaching purposely sinning in the BDF.It's clear to me you have a kind, loving heart, and am glad to read your posts.
Having said that, I feel like you have become susceptible to some of the slander that others engage in.
I am coming up on 4 yrs here, and several times a day I read quite a few threads. In ALL that time, I have not come across a single person or post from ANYONE, of ANY doctrine, that said ANYTHING that can even be slightly construed as SIN BEING OK TO ENGAGE IN.
If you have seen any post that claims that from a person I would implore you to please post it so I can ignore that person. Thank you.
But, yes, there are those who are super-sized gracers and they think they can sin all they want. And I didn't realize there are many who adhere to that false doctrine. I only read a couple of the posts and decided not to jump in.![]()
...and I'm admitting I don't have a day where I don't fall short...I said some days, not a lot of days.
Isn't this something? Several people twisted Desert Rose's post to accuse her of accusing others of teaching purposely sinning in the BDF.
Desert Rose didn't say they said it..... she said they think they can do it. And they DO think that, according to their fruit. Just go back up this page & read all the crap they said she said.
Now, either they are lying or really stupid.![]()
The term you can lose you salvation sickens me, just sickens me,
it takes the work of God and makes a mockery of it, It says God, Who said he will perfect a person until the day of Christ, and makes him powerless.
Paul said he was a sinner saved by grace in Romans 7, he did dnot have to say the words. yet he said it.. "oh what a wretched man I AM, (sinner), who will free me from this body of sin Then he thanked God, through Jesus Christ our Lord! (saved by grace)
I couldn't agree more with your last sentence. Contention and division is never from God. It would be so much better if the OP's of threads (most thread titles lately read like click bait ) worded their posts in such a way to present their own views on a verse or doctrine and left out negative comparisons. It's like a politician that never sticks to discussing his own platform, but has to attack his opponent and expose his flaws to validate his own position. The introductory posts of many threads leave no room for actual discussion. It's a clear message from the get go that if you disagree with the stance presented by the OP that you are either a heretic, legalistic, sinner, wolf, etc
I disagree with the bolded sentence. God told Abraham why he wasn't getting the Promise Land yet. "Because their sin is not complete." 430 years later, it was. And God made it clear to the Israelites what he wanted. He wanted them to kill every man, woman, child, and herd in that land. That's about as contentious and divisive as it gets.I couldn't agree more with your last sentence. Contention and division is never from God. It would be so much better if the OP's of threads (most thread titles lately read like click bait ) worded their posts in such a way to present their own views on a verse or doctrine and left out negative comparisons. It's like a politician that never sticks to discussing his own platform, but has to attack his opponent and expose his flaws to validate his own position. The introductory posts of many threads leave no room for actual discussion. It's a clear message from the get go that if you disagree with the stance presented by the OP that you are either a heretic, legalistic, sinner, wolf, etc
Agreed. I have very strong personal opinions on most views and I don't agree with many views and posts from members in the BDF. I know that Christianity divides us and often brings a sword between us and many in our lives. I've experienced this many times in my personal life. It's painful, but I consider that the cost for following Christ. I'm not advocating unity at all cost. I think debates are good. Most of these threads fail at being real and logical debates. There will be division ( we can't escape the reality that many promote heresy or false teachings ) and sometimes the division is a form of protection from heresy creeping into the church and destroying the faith of many. That being said, a contentious spirit is never from God. We can be strong in our defence of truth, but we should never be antagonistic or try to goad others or misrepresent their beliefs. I believe those actions are the fruit of a contentious spirit. I seem to be alone in this mindset though, so I'll bow out of this thread peacefullyI disagree with the bolded sentence. God told Abraham why he wasn't getting the Promise Land yet. "Because their sin is not complete." 430 years later, it was. And God made it clear to the Israelites what he wanted. He wanted them to kill every man, woman, child, and herd in that land. That's about as contentious and divisive as it gets.
With the Israelites constantly screwing up in the wilderness, God divided often enough and had the evil ones killed or killed them himself. Contentious and divisive.
Jesus told us we have to be willing to hate our families. Contentious and divisive. He told the ones who were going to righteously stone the adulteress to only pick up that stone, if they were sinless. Contentious and divisive.
There was a couple in the newly formed NT church who sold their land and kept the profit, instead of handing it into the communal fund. God killed them. Contentious and divisive.
He obviously wants a people set apart from all others. That truly cannot be one that accepts all beliefs. Unity at all cost isn't unity. It's anarchy.
Ooo, oo, oo!Agreed. I have very strong personal opinions on most views and I don't agree with many views and posts from members in the BDF. I know that Christianity divides us and often brings a sword between us and many in our lives. I've experienced this many times in my personal life. It's painful, but I consider that the cost for following Christ. I'm not advocating unity at all cost. I think debates are good. Most of these threads fail at being real and logical debates. There will be division ( we can't escape the reality that many promote heresy or false teachings ) and sometimes the division is a form of protection from heresy creeping into the church and destroying the faith of many. That being said, a contentious spirit is never from God. We can be strong in our defence of truth, but we should never be antagonistic or try to goad others or misrepresent their beliefs. I believe those actions are the fruit of a contentious spirit. I seem to be alone in this mindset though, so I'll bow out of this thread peacefully![]()
Yeah, it must have been unbelief, because mister no-name on the INTERNET said it..... & the internet doesn't lie, does it?Some times well intentioned people take Hebrews 10:26-29 out of context with the book of Hebrews. Anyone can take an isolated scripture out of it's context and say anything they want.
Here is an example. Anyone who has ever sinned is blotted out of the book. All scripture must be viewed through the lens of the finished work of Christ on the cross and resurrection.
Exodus 32:33 (NASB)
[SUP]33 [/SUP] The LORD said to Moses, "Whoever has sinned against Me, I will blot him out of My book.
Hebrews 10:26 is talking about the willful sin of unbelief in the sacrifice of Christ for our sins.
Hebrews 10 is talking about Jewish people after hearing about Christ for the only sacrifice for sins and rejecting it to go back to the temple sacrifices for their sins. Hebrews was written a few years before the temple system came crashing down in 70AD when it was trampled by the Roman army.
Here is a short 2 minute video which will illuminate this clearly.
[video=youtube;yrc5EOpokSc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrc5EOpokSc[/video]
Yeah, especially when you follow mister no-name around on the internet, instead of using your own commentaries. Which is why I think you have done exactly that.
Personally I believe all Christians should be reading the original words as technology has been made available the tools needed to do this - and you don't need to go to seminary to do this elementary study. If you don't use these tools you are "in serious error" ( just kidding - using the play on the term being in error...)
In my opinion - Without the revelation of the Holy Spirit revealing the things of God to us - we can easily create our own religion that displaces the work of Christ in our lives and thus nullify the grace of God that is available for us for life and living.
NLT Romans 7:21I find then the principle that evil is present in me, the one who wants to do good. 22For I joyfully concur with the law of God in the inner man, 23but I see a different law in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin which is in my members. 24Wretched man that I am! Who will set me free from the body of this death? 25Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, on the one hand I myself with my mind am serving the law of God, but on the other, with my flesh the law of sin.
Paul WAS NOT proclaiming he was a sinner..... He says he's a wretched man because a righteous soul lives inside a corrupt, fleshly body that always wants to sin.
Again, you take scripture & twist it for your purposes, as you usually do.
The reason you're sick of hearing you can lose your salvation is because it's true! That's nobody's fault but yours.
Hebrews 10:26Dear friends, if we deliberately continue sinning after we have received knowledge of the truth, there is no longer any sacrifice that will cover these sins. 27There is only the terrible expectation of God’s judgment and the raging fire that will consume his enemies. 28For anyone who refused to obey the law of Moses was put to death without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29Just think how much worse the punishment will be for those who have trampled on the Son of God, and have treated the blood of the covenant, which made us holy, as if it were common and unholy, and have insulted and disdained the Holy Spirit who brings God’s mercy to us. 30For we know the one who said,“I will take revenge.I will pay them back.”[SUP]h[/SUP]He also said,“The LORD will judge his own people.”[SUP]i[/SUP]31It is a terrible thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
The author is NOT talking about the judgment on unrepentant sinners, for the church already knew where they were going. This was to christians who walked away from God & rebelled, refusing to follow the commandments of the NT.
NASB 19Therefore, brethren, since we have confidence to enter the holy place by the blood of Jesus, 20by a new and living way which He inaugurated for us through the veil, that is, His flesh, 21and since we have a great priest over the house of God, 22let us draw near with a sincere heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled clean from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water.23Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering, for He who promised is faithful; 24and let us consider how to stimulate one another to love and good deeds, 25not forsaking our own assembling together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another; and all the more as you see the day drawing near.
This is context for the following verses 26-31. It is to the church, about the church, & it is plain
Christ or Judgment
26For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27but a terrifying expectation of judgment and THE FURY OF A FIRE WHICH WILL CONSUME THE ADVERSARIES. 28Anyone who has set aside the Law of Moses dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29How much severer punishment do you think he will deserve who has trampled under foot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has insulted the Spirit of grace? 30For we know Him who said, “VENGEANCE IS MINE, I WILL REPAY.” And again, “THE LORD WILL JUDGE HIS PEOPLE.” 31It is a terrifying thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
The writer is basically saying since the New Covenant is a better covenant established on better promises, then the judgement for rebelling from it will be much worse.
"after receiving the knowledge of the truth", and "by which he was sanctified" means someone already saved, not a "rejecting sinner" that some paint this. If we were guaranteed unconditional salvation, HOW would the church walk in the fear of the Lord? God wouldn't be able to do anything to us then. We'd still go to Heaven.
How I choose commentaries:Commentaries.
I personally love to read from commentaries and have about 1/2 dozen or so that I regularly view on some subject.
There is an inherent problem with going by commentaries alone to determine truth - they can be giving out what their denomination has taught them in the past and so we "could be" in another church tradition type of situation be perpetuated.
So, we could have multiple commentaries saying basically the same thing which in itself doesn't mean it's a bad thing or for that matter necessarily the right thing too.
All of the Catholic "commentaries" for over 1,100 years would have been saying the same thing and would have been used to refute Martin Luther when he said "The just shall live by faith".
Commentaries are basically what the author himself thinks about a passage or certain doctrine which is absolutely fine. I find that I get a part from one and a part from a different commentary and the Spirit of God uses them all in some aspect to reveal what He is speaking to me about.
The other one is Greek/Hebrew dictionaries. I find that they too can "sometimes add" their comments to what the actual meaning of the Greek words are which may or may not be entirely true.
They "add" their "application" of the meaning of the words - which is fine. But I believe we need to be aware of such things too.
I absolutely love to read the meanings of words in the Greek/Hebrew dictionaries and glean many things that have helped me to grow in the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Personally I believe all Christians should be reading the original words as technology has been made available the tools needed to do this - and you don't need to go to seminary to do this elementary study. If you don't use these tools you are "in serious error" ( just kidding - using the play on the term being in error...)
In my opinion - Without the revelation of the Holy Spirit revealing the things of God to us - we can easily create our own religion that displaces the work of Christ in our lives and thus nullify the grace of God that is available for us for life and living.