How to prove that the Earth is flat, and not a sphere...

RickyZ · Dec 29, 2016

It doesn't take a million dollars. There is plenty of local evidence if you are open to seeing it.

The telescope is cool. My brother has a real high power one. We were looking at the planets again and I wondered if they were all flat, then they would all have to be faced directly at us. Otherwise their shape would appear oval instead of circular.

GaryA · Dec 30, 2016

HEIsRiSen said:

Thank you - yes - I am already aware of it...

HEIsRiSen · Dec 30, 2016

It really is a foolish thing for us to try and argue things none of us can prove ourselves. Do I believe the world and earth isn't everything I was raised to believe? a thousand times yes! Can I undeniably prove that to myself or anybody else? No! Do I believe God can? A thousand times yes.

I don't need to know what I can prove, I know what I know. I am nobody and this flesh of mine would only try to beat a person over the head with a flat earth to convince them of it if pride was my motivation. Same goes for anybody trying to prove the opposite point. People will come to the truth in God's perfect timing, if I try to make things happen in my timing...which requires planning and (the only perfect plan is God's plan in His timing) will ultimately have stumble blocks and I will fall.

Let the Holy Spirit lead and people will ask you the truth, the people that truly love God will want to talk to you, they will be the beacons of light in the darkness, shining for all to see, and they will gather in multitudes and worship their one true God and he will hear their voice like a new song being sung in heaven! Peace on earth and goodwill towards your man. Love God and your neighbor as yourself and the keys of the kingdom of heaven can be yours. Be very aware of pride men, it's a killer... has been ever since day one. Don't fret guys, I'm preaching to the choir. Praise God, keep seeking, keep searching, keep knocking and the One you seek will answer the Door. Just talk to Him like He's your best friend, He created you love.

There is faith of a mustard seed back in the world and mountains will be moved at the command of His people, under the reign of the Messiah they rejected, the prince of peace! The people who were not His own, but now are made His own in the sight of His own: for they are a rebellious people, Babylon is fallen.

If there be any of God's people lost out there that read this letter. Repent and ask Jesus into your heart and ask forgiveness from your sins. Praise God worship God alone and when you sin repent of that sin for your slate is wiped clean and any new sin can be blotted out of the book of life. God can help every one of you by His Holy spirit and his Son, Jesus, The Word that became flesh and dwelt among us. Read the Word. Compare spiritual thing with spiritual thing, the Bible truly is a holy book that was given to us for instruction....instructions on how to live on earth under the reign of Christ. People will say that time is passed. I will say do some diligent research by the Holy Spirit and see that you know nothing and humble yourself before God for He knows all and shares it with those who do His will on earth.

HEIsRiSen · Dec 30, 2016

Let me say too that I am not sinless, Jesus came and did that for me, for every man because He knew that there was no man that would be able to. He did that for us and for those before him. I have sinned at least once every day since I was saved, even if it be a small for all sins are equal, but the difference between the old me and the new me is the new me asks forgiveness for every single sin as it happens, and I don't have to do it publicly because God knows my heart and my intentions. That's all it takes to attain heaven on earth and stay there.

PeterJens · Dec 30, 2016

I know the answer. The earth is flat but due to quantum physics it loops round so
everyone everywhere it appears to continue. Our only way of making sense of this
is to believe it is like a ball.

It is all an illusion, made to look like everything is a ball when it is not.

Ofcourse it could actually be a ball, and everything could be as it appears.

Why would one invent a flat earth and then ignore all the evidence that it is not?
What is the point?

HEIsRiSen · Dec 30, 2016

PeterJens said:

Why? It is to take people away from God to make them turn their backs on God, it is to make an idol for all of the earth. Their idol is sun and that is why it is as the the center of their universe or solar system. It is a lie straight from the depths of hell. The earth is the center of our universe, and that is the God system! All of heaven is watching us. Right now as I type even. People will come to the truth as they start to question that the whole continent of Antarctica be revealed to us by NASA that the true earth be revealed to us and not just some illustration from a man who I will not name, but perhaps God will put it in his heart to reveal what he knows. NASA has been keeping this vain illusion alive since 1969.

Anybody who is lead in the Holy Spirit will see that all of it points back to intelligent design. If they can hide the creator from creation, they can control the population. Think about it. May God bless you and lead in you the spirit of truth and peace, the spirit of Jesus, praise God!

RickyZ · Dec 30, 2016

That's curious. I'm pretty sure that the earth is spherical, but I don't idolize the world or worship the sun. I despise this world and worship the Son. HEIsRiSen, can you actually name one CC'er here who believes in the spherical earth that worships the world and it's sun?

posthuman · Dec 30, 2016

HEIsRiSen said:

weird how you think the vast universe in its unfathomable intricacies and delicate balances are the opposite of evidence of an unimaginably powerful and wise Creator.. .

. . but you see what amounts to an aquarium tank with a crude, fake backdrop crafted to deceive gullible & myopic fish into thinking they are still in the sea would be the footprint of "intelligent" design.

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but the bit about some people idolizing the earth;
i do think there is some truth to that.

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P.S.

the way you speak, i'm sure you haven't read this thread, HeIsRisen -- so i did some legwork for you.
please have a look at

post #152

in particular,
which is semi-summarized again in

post #216

HEIsRiSen · Dec 30, 2016

I don't need to read the Words of a man to know the mysteries of God. God reveals his mysteries to his men, I don't need anybody to tell me the Truth. I know the truth and the mysteries that have been hidden from the man dwelling in the wilderness.

God speaks to his people, why is He not speaking to you? Maybe you should sit down and have a soul to soul talk with your creator and fall on your knees before the Lord, so your eyes can be opened lest you die in your sins. Let go of that pride of thinking that you have all the answers and there are men out there who have the answers you don't have. For that itself is sin unto my God, the Almighty. Has NASA been able to number the stars in the sky and call every one by name? No, have they tried? God knows they have... MAN KNOWS NOTHING, GOD KNOWS ALL and God can tell you everything but your own pride blinds you to His eternal truths! May the peace that surpasses all understanding come to you in your own revelation of Jesus the Messiah.

Don't take my words for it. I am only a servant to God, I ask that every person read the book that this country is made to swear by and see the truth! In all thy ways acknowledge Him and HE WILL direct thy paths. God did it before and he's doing it again. Satan that deceived the whole world that serpent the devil is bound and God's people will reign with Christ. For It is written.

HEIsRiSen · Dec 30, 2016

And if I am a liar trying to deceive people, I sin against God and If God was not pleased He would have taken my life days ago for the things that I have said. Oh wait, He did take my life days ago, praise God. God doesn't make up lies and as I servant of the Lord I do not make up lies for I tremble in the presence of the Lord. The sooner the whole world realizes this the sooner this world will become a better place. I do not speak unto boldness of myself, for my boldness and strength is from God a gift.

HEIsRiSen · Dec 30, 2016

Jesus is here, and you aren't going to see him, but you can hear his voice. He comes offering peace and salvation to those who have eyes to see and ears to hear, that is to say give the will of your eyes to God so that you may see the truth in this spiritual world. Give the will of your ears to the will of God so that you may hear His will being spoken within you.

God is a God of love and everybody, every man on this earth has a chance right now to find his way back home, but this chance does not last forever for the devil will be let loose one last time, a short time and he will gather his army, but right now under the reign of Christ you have a chance to be redeemed, every body in this world, and every soul that dwells within.

MadebyHim · Dec 31, 2016

It doesn't matter to me if earth is flat or like a ball. i think it best for us to keep our minds on Creator of Earth. If i had a rocket ship i may be able to know, or a plane to fly to the edge, or a ship to sail, but i don't. So all that can be done is look as far as eyes can see, and be thankful for what our Almighty Creator has for you and me. Even though we are not really sure what His plans are, they must be good plans because He is All Good.

PeterJens · Dec 31, 2016

HEIsRiSen said:

Problem. The earth goes round the sun, and the moon around the earth.
We have satallites that orbit the earth for weather, analysis of harvests, understanding
climate etc., studying the sun, and solar flares.

We have seasons because of the tilt of the axis of the earth as it rotates around the sun.

Now this is as factual, concrete as seeing the sun rise in the sky each day.
Only someone who is both stupid, deluded and mentally ill would argue against these facts.

And any faith they follow, in any way is put into total disrepute because of this connection.

So if anything they are a lie of satan, making a mockery of what is obvious and created
by the living God. But then again it is so absurd, being a joke is what everyone needs at
the end of the day.

HEIsRiSen · Dec 31, 2016

What is obvious and created by the living God has been hidden from earth for hundreds if not thousands of years by great men of knowledge, these men have God's knowledge yet in this day they are spiritually blind.

I cannot prove anything to you people, but God can and he will in his timing. I have faith in that because God's promises are true, every single, last, word. It is a spiritual book and if you believe one word you must believe every word as it is written for the bible is not a book of man. It is a book of God inspired by the holy spirit that has not and CANNOT be taken away from God's people. They have tried to change the words, they have tried to change the meaning, they have tried to change your God. What fools they their fathers are to think that men could contain the mysteries of God. God's wrath and judgement be upon them and that rod of iron Jesus is holding can reach every place in this earth and they cannot hide from him for the very mountains they try to hide in will be leveled. The earth is God's footstool and He will do with it as he pleases.

For me to call on God to show people and to pry peoples eyes open to see the truth will not work because that is my work, rags of righteousness, and I fear God above all. All I can do is try to be a light by letting the light of Jesus shine in me (yes there are going to be moments when I fail) and I am saved by the grace of God moment by moment and I will never ever give up on the work that God is perfecting in me, and neither should anybody else. Have faith, repent and be reborn every moment of every day, do not let the sun set upon our anger and wrath against our brothers. Peace on earth and goodwill toward men is what Jesus wants and is offering and that's all I want. God wills that every man will be saved, and so do His servants. Amen.

HEIsRiSen · Dec 31, 2016

This is a warning from God. The men who are trying to provoke me are not really trying to provoke me, they are truly trying to provoke God. Does one dare to provoke God to wrath? Does that same person want to die by God's hand and be thrown into the pit with satan? The pit is open and it is wide and the devil is bound in it and there is plenty of room for the sons of disobedience. God's people should not be tempting him, lest they provoke his wrath upon the earth.

All those who want to serve the devil.... and I speak this to every man. Go be with him and serve him where he is and suffer too, you can't help him and he can't help you.

PeterJens · Dec 31, 2016

HEIsRiSen said:

https://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/imagegallery/image_feature_329.html

Take a look at this picture. These are men going from the earth to the moon,
and they looked out the window and took this picture.

It does not get simpler than this.

Ever wonder how google earth gets its pictures? From satallites.
Or what about GPS? Every second of the day you can pinpoint where you are on the surface
of the earth because these satallites know where they are in 3 dimensional space, and the
signals are so accurate a phone can calculate where it is in 3 dimensional space and relate
this to a map to within a few feet.

Maybe you do not understand the mathematics involved or technology, the special theory
of relativity involved, but it is all staggeringly brilliant. And there is zero spiritual input into
the physics involved, or deception.

So you are 100% not a mouth piece of God or able to speak truth, so you are just digging
a deep hole for yourself by involving the Lord in this insanity. But it is your funeral, and your
judgement that will result, you have been warned.

PeterJens · Dec 31, 2016

Just to get a insight into the earth as it is, as photographed from apollo 17

That is so beautiful, our home, the only known unique place where biological life exists, as far as we know.

posthuman · Dec 31, 2016

HEIsRiSen said:

hmm that presents a logical conundrum as to whether i should bother reading your posts.

but the links i dug up and provided for you all center around the words of God, and it wasn't for my own sake i took the time to write to you, but for yours - so as your servant i'll try again & give you the short, short version:

When I consider Your heavens, the work of Your fingers,
The moon and the stars, which You have ordained;
What is man that You take thought of him,
And the son of man that You care for him?
(Psalm 8:3-4)

in which cosmic geometry does this passage make sense?

the one where the universe is a tiny diorama surrounded by fake backdrops, with trillions of spotlights dressed up as stars, trained on man at all times?

"what is man?"

is the answer:

"duh, he's the center of the universe, of course God better be mindful of us"

?

or is this scripture written because we are nothing but a speck of dust in a non-descript corner of all that is, so that the Almighty stooping to lift us up is showing us a profoundly unspeakable greatness in His act of incomprehensible mercy?

RickyZ · Dec 31, 2016

HEIsRiSen said:

This is a warning from God. The men who are trying to provoke me are not really trying to provoke me, they are truly trying to provoke God. Does one dare to provoke God to wrath? Does that same person want to die by God's hand and be thrown into the pit with satan? The pit is open and it is wide and the devil is bound in it and there is plenty of room for the sons of disobedience. God's people should not be tempting him, lest they provoke his wrath upon the earth.

All those who want to serve the devil.... and I speak this to every man. Go be with him and serve him where he is and suffer too, you can't help him and he can't help you.

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Those who claim to have a lock on God's word seldom do.

maxwel · Dec 31, 2016

HEIsRiSen said:

That is the coolest debate superpower ever.

If you're in a debate, and you're not doing well,
you suddenly get a message from God...
saying all who oppose you are going to hell.

Excellent rebuttal!
: )

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