The President elect

[Sirk]

True.

I think a version of something Reagan said sums it up...

hope but verify.

Trump said today that he was going to give the middle class their voice back. I believe him until he proves to me otherwise.

 

[Magenta]

2 Timothy 1:7 - For God hath not given us the spirit
of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

Isaiah 41:10 - Fear thou not; for I [am] with thee: be not dismayed;
for I [am] thy God: I will strengthen thee; yea, I will help thee; yea,
I will uphold thee with the right hand of my righteousness.

Psalms 23:1-6 - The LORD [is] my shepherd; I shall not want.

1 John 4:18 - There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear:
because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.

Psalms 34:4 - I sought the LORD, and he heard me,
and delivered me from all my fears.

Proverbs 29:25 - The fear of man bringeth a snare:
but whoso putteth his trust in the LORD shall be safe.

Philippians 4:6 - Be careful for nothing; but in everything by prayer and
supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God.

Romans 8:15 - For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

Psalms 56:3-4 - What time I am afraid, I will trust in thee.

Romans 8:38-39 - For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come

Deuteronomy 7:21 - Thou shalt not be affrighted at them: for
the LORD thy God [is] among you, a mighty God and terrible.

Joshua 1:9 - Have not I commanded thee? Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the LORD thy God [is] with thee whithersoever thou goest.
[TABLE="width: 100%"]
[TR]
[TD]
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
[TABLE="width: 100%"]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD="align: center"][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

 

[peacenik]

Real sad, looks like ol' McCarthy is back. You know, somehow Trumps reminds me a little of what I've read about Eisenhover; too laidback on certain areas making way for all kind of political weeds to grow. The fact that Trump has unleashed so much hatred is downright scary. Like you're saying, it is now almost PC to make threats if somebody dares saying anything agains the new regime. George Orwell and Animal Farm comes to mind...I'm still figuring out the Animal Farm CC cast, though.

The behavior displayed on here is getting worse, gotta say that, what was said to you above here, was real hateful. No wonder people are fleeing from this forum. I don't agree with all you are writing, far from it, but the way you are acting towards others in here makes me respect you. It should be possible to have a civilized conversation even though there's little common ground.

Thank you, for indeed, we are commanded to forgive rather than to condemn as the angry and hate filled forum right wing do. I hope they eventually see the errors of their ways and that God will forgive them.




As for Trump, it is the right wing that continues to criticize him more than the left as shown here:


[h=1]House GOP bucks Donald Trump, scraps legislation to “buy American” iron and steel[/h][h=2]Republicans in Congress ignored Trump's calls to "buy American" steel and iron for water infrastructure projects[/h]



[FONT=&quot]While campaigning on his brand of populism this year, President-elect Donald Trump repeatedly promised to “Make America Great Again” with protectionist trade policies that would bring back U.S. manufacturing jobs to America.
[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Now weeks into his transition, Trump is keeping up that fiery message — even as his Republican allies on the Hill prepare to vote against specific “Buy America” legislation meant to help American workers.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]At one of his victory rallies last week in Cincinnati, Trump told the crowd, “We will have two simple rules when it comes to this massive rebuilding effort: Buy American and hire American. Whether it is producing steel, building cars or curing disease, we want the next generation of innovation and production to happen right here in America and right here in Ohio, right?”[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]But Republicans in Congress, apparently ready to buck their party’s leader, days later announced that they were removing the “buy America” amendment from a water infrastructure bill that would require the government to only fund projects that use American-made steel. The provision would have allowed for exceptions if American steel had quality or supply problems or drove up costs substantially.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Ignoring Trump’s demand that the government find ways to support U.S. manufacturers, particularly the steel industry, House Republicans stripped a “buy America” provision from their version of the Water Resources Development Act that had already passed the Senate. The bill is for infrastructure spending on the country’s waterways.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Language in the Senate-passed version of the Water Resources Development Act required the use of American iron and steel products in projects using billions of dollars in federal funding from the Clean Water State Revolving Fund — a provision that would have been a major boon for steelmakers who have hemorrhaged production to China and Turkey.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Republicans in the House, led by Speaker Paul Ryan, let the bill’s final language to include a “buy America” provision only for 2017. Such a one-year requirement would have been assured anyway (as it was already approved last year) and Democrats had wanted a permanent “Buy America” provision.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Ohio’s Democratic Sen. Sherrod Brown was quick to slam House Republicans opposition to the ostensibly Trump-backed provision.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“By stripping meaningful Buy America rules from the water infrastructure bill, Washington leadership is choosing China and Russia over Ohio, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin,” said Brown. “This was the first major test of whether Washington establishment Republicans would live up to President-elect Trump’s promises to put American products and American workers first — they failed, and American iron and steel workers will pay the price.”[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Wisconsin’s Democratic Sen. Tammy Baldwin made the divide between Trump and House Republicans on the issue clearer, as she vowed to reintroduce “Buy America” legislation.
“He really needs to stick to that promise and take a stand right now,” Baldwin said in a press release about Trump, who hasn’t spoken out on this specific bill.
“By removing my Buy America standard, Speaker Ryan and House Republicans embraced the status-quo in Washington,” she declared in another press release. “Our American manufacturers and workers deserve a solid commitment from us and I’m not giving up this fight to build a made in America infrastructure. The choice for the Republican establishment in Washington is clear: Do you stand with American workers or do you support spending taxpayer dollars on Chinese and Russian steel for American water infrastructure projects?”


Democrats are calling on Republicans to reinstate the provision before the House and Senate versions of the legislation are reconciled.




House GOP bucks Donald Trump, scraps legislation to “buy American” iron and steel - Salon.com
[/FONT]

 

[peacenik]

Unbelievable the lengths people go to to hamstring someone before they've even started.

It will be remembered that Rush Limbaugh, George Will, and Mitch McConnell all said they hoped Obama would fail and that they would attempt to make him a one term president. All the predictions about death panels, job killings from ACA, and being half a step from Armageddon never quite panned out as the far right had hoped.

 

[Magenta]

Thank you, for indeed, we are commanded to forgive rather than to condemn as the angry and hate filled forum right wing do. I hope they eventually see the errors of their ways and that God will forgive them.

You seem to be in dire need of this:

Have you repented of all your lies yet?

 

[Sirk]

It will be remembered that Rush Limbaugh, George Will, and Mitch McConnell all said they hoped Obama would fail and that they would attempt to make him a one term president. All the predictions about death panels, job killings from ACA, and being half a step from Armageddon never quite panned out as the far right had hoped.

Well, when someone says their goal is to "fundamentally transform" the American system I hope they fail as well.

 

[Utah]

Thank you, for indeed, we are commanded to forgive rather than to condemn as the angry and hate filled forum right wing do. I hope they eventually see the errors of their ways and that God will forgive them.




As for Trump, it is the right wing that continues to criticize him more than the left as shown here:


House GOP bucks Donald Trump, scraps legislation to “buy American” iron and steel

Republicans in Congress ignored Trump's calls to "buy American" steel and iron for water infrastructure projects





While campaigning on his brand of populism this year, President-elect Donald Trump repeatedly promised to “Make America Great Again” with protectionist trade policies that would bring back U.S. manufacturing jobs to America.


Now weeks into his transition, Trump is keeping up that fiery message — even as his Republican allies on the Hill prepare to vote against specific “Buy America” legislation meant to help American workers.
At one of his victory rallies last week in Cincinnati, Trump told the crowd, “We will have two simple rules when it comes to this massive rebuilding effort: Buy American and hire American. Whether it is producing steel, building cars or curing disease, we want the next generation of innovation and production to happen right here in America and right here in Ohio, right?”
But Republicans in Congress, apparently ready to buck their party’s leader, days later announced that they were removing the “buy America” amendment from a water infrastructure bill that would require the government to only fund projects that use American-made steel. The provision would have allowed for exceptions if American steel had quality or supply problems or drove up costs substantially.
Ignoring Trump’s demand that the government find ways to support U.S. manufacturers, particularly the steel industry, House Republicans stripped a “buy America” provision from their version of the Water Resources Development Act that had already passed the Senate. The bill is for infrastructure spending on the country’s waterways.
Language in the Senate-passed version of the Water Resources Development Act required the use of American iron and steel products in projects using billions of dollars in federal funding from the Clean Water State Revolving Fund — a provision that would have been a major boon for steelmakers who have hemorrhaged production to China and Turkey.
Republicans in the House, led by Speaker Paul Ryan, let the bill’s final language to include a “buy America” provision only for 2017. Such a one-year requirement would have been assured anyway (as it was already approved last year) and Democrats had wanted a permanent “Buy America” provision.
Ohio’s Democratic Sen. Sherrod Brown was quick to slam House Republicans opposition to the ostensibly Trump-backed provision.
“By stripping meaningful Buy America rules from the water infrastructure bill, Washington leadership is choosing China and Russia over Ohio, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin,” said Brown. “This was the first major test of whether Washington establishment Republicans would live up to President-elect Trump’s promises to put American products and American workers first — they failed, and American iron and steel workers will pay the price.”


Wisconsin’s Democratic Sen. Tammy Baldwin made the divide between Trump and House Republicans on the issue clearer, as she vowed to reintroduce “Buy America” legislation.
“He really needs to stick to that promise and take a stand right now,” Baldwin said in a press release about Trump, who hasn’t spoken out on this specific bill.
“By removing my Buy America standard, Speaker Ryan and House Republicans embraced the status-quo in Washington,” she declared in another press release. “Our American manufacturers and workers deserve a solid commitment from us and I’m not giving up this fight to build a made in America infrastructure. The choice for the Republican establishment in Washington is clear: Do you stand with American workers or do you support spending taxpayer dollars on Chinese and Russian steel for American water infrastructure projects?”


Democrats are calling on Republicans to reinstate the provision before the House and Senate versions of the legislation are reconciled.




House GOP bucks Donald Trump, scraps legislation to “buy American” iron and steel - Salon.com

You sure do attack conservatives for someone who states they were banned from a different chat site for being TOO CONSERVATIVE.

 

[peacenik]

Have you repented of all your lies yet?

Examples,please.

 

[peacenik]

You sure do attack conservatives for someone who states they were banned from a different chat site for being TOO CONSERVATIVE.

Truths are not ''attacks'' unlike your hate filled comments. But I forgive you so you need not feel any remorse.

 

[peacenik]

Back on topic:


many on the far right are far wrong re certain facts:

New feature on weekly hate:


http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/29/opinion/threats-of-an-anti-muslim-holocaust.html?_r=2







With the election of Donald Trump last month, hate has become a commodity the New York TImes has decided to track. The feature, called “This Week in Hate,”draws its inspiration from the Southern Poverty Law Center, which also keeps track of hate-inspired activity.

This Week in Hate tracks hate crimes and harassment around the country since the election of Donald Trump. The Southern Poverty Law Center and other groups are keeping detailed counts of harassment and abuse. We will regularly present a selection of incidents to show the scope of the problem.
​

more at link - note that it may contain some objectionable content - it is time for Trump to take a strong stance against this onslaught of hate and bigotry

 

[Utah]

Truths are not ''attacks'' unlike your hate filled comments. But I forgive you so you need not feel any remorse.

Forgive what, hypocrite? Exposing your sociopathic illness? Nothing to forgive there. I do however love how you try to show yourself as the epitome of style and grace yet you display your envy of me by quoting me for your signature. Sorry froggy, you'll never be as cool as me, but the effort is commendable. Carry on.

 

[Utah]

Back on topic:


many on the far right are far wrong re certain facts:

New feature on weekly hate:


http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/29/opinion/threats-of-an-anti-muslim-holocaust.html?_r=2







With the election of Donald Trump last month, hate has become a commodity the New York TImes has decided to track. The feature, called “This Week in Hate,”draws its inspiration from the Southern Poverty Law Center, which also keeps track of hate-inspired activity.

This Week in Hate tracks hate crimes and harassment around the country since the election of Donald Trump. The Southern Poverty Law Center and other groups are keeping detailed counts of harassment and abuse. We will regularly present a selection of incidents to show the scope of the problem.
​

more at link - note that it may contain some objectionable content - it is time for Trump to take a strong stance against this onslaught of hate and bigotry

More propaganda drivel. Yawn. Hey froggy, Trump won! Suck it up, cupcake, like you do your welfare checks.

 

[Sirk]

Forgive what, hypocrite? Exposing your sociopathic illness? Nothing to forgive there. I do however love how you try to show yourself as the epitome of style and grace yet you display your envy of me by quoting me for your signature. Sorry froggy, you'll never be as cool as me, but the effort is commendable. Carry on.

Ya..he tried that with me....then I asked admin to make him remove it and he did...or they did. At any rate..people like the frog are part of the problem and not the solution.

 

[peacenik]

Forgive what, hypocrite? Exposing your sociopathic illness? Nothing to forgive there. I do however love how you try to show yourself as the epitome of style and grace yet you display your envy of me by quoting me for your signature. Sorry froggy, you'll never be as cool as me, but the effort is commendable. Carry on.

LOL. I'm having a good laugh at that one.

By the way, still waiting for "proof" that I am pro abortion as you claimed. As we all know from the links I have provided, it is the Republicans who legalized abortion as Republicans Rockefeller, Bush, and Gamble were Margaret Sanger's chief financiers. Further, it was their party who legalized abortion in Roe and in Casey.

More propaganda drivel. Yawn. Hey froggy, Trump won! Suck it up, cupcake, like you do your welfare checks.

Funny thing is Trump has not paid one cent in taxes over 20 years and has still to present his tax returns so that we can see proofs of his alleged support over the years for Planned Parenthood. Those returns will also show how much corporate welfare he has gotten so that the right wingers will surely be highly displeased when disclosed.

 

[peacenik]

Still on topic:




GOP Obamacare repeal will be an annual death sentence for thousands

GOP Obamacare repeal will be an annual death sentence for thousands




The ink from President Obama's signature on the Affordable Care Act wasn't even dry when then-Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell unveiled the Republican mantra for the upcoming midterm elections. As he put it on March 23, 2010, "I think the slogan will be 'repeal and replace', 'repeal and replace.'"
Now, almost seven years later, McConnell and his Republican allies are finding out just how difficult their simplistic Obamacare proposition will really be. With Donald Trump weeks away from defiling the Oval Office, congressional Republicans are no closer to a replacement plan for the roughly 25 million people they will soon add to the ranks of the uninsured. "Repeal and replace" has become "repeal and delay."
Meanwhile, worried House and Senate Republicans are getting an earful from almost every corner of the American health care industry. Having already asked a federal judge to postpone action on the House GOP lawsuit challenging cost-sharing payments for 7 million Americans, Republicans have received dire warnings from health insurersabout the death spiral their individual market will experience if no Obamacare replacement is immediately forthcoming. Hospitals have also alerted President-elect Trump and Congress that many of them will face financial ruin as millions of newly uninsured Americans once again require uncompensated care. While American Medical Association (AMA) President Andrew Gorman declared "a core principle is that any new reform proposal should not cause individuals currently covered to become uninsured," new assessments this week from ACASignups.net and the Urban Instituteforecast that will be the fate for up to 29 million people who obtained coverage thanks to Obamacare. It's no wonder even Republican voters are losing their appetite for repeal.
Oh, and one other thing: Recent research suggests that the Republican repeal of President Obama's landmark health care law will result in tens of thousands of Americans needlessly dying every year.



This discussion of the American health care system's body count isn't a new one. In a 2002 study, the Institute of Medicine estimated that 18,000 Americans died in 2000 because they lacked health insurance. In January 2008, a study by the Urban Institute ("Uninsured and Dying Because of It") didn't just conclude that "the absence of health insurance creates a range of consequences, including lower quality of life, increased morbidity and mortality, and higher financial burdens." The national death toll, it found, was rising: "137,000 people died from 2000 through 2006 because they lacked health insurance, including 22,000 people in 2006." By 2012, Families USA ("Dying for Coverage: The Deadly Consequences of Being Uninsured") concluded that "uninsured adults are at least 25 percent more likely to die prematurely than adults who have private insurance" and found that "26,100 people between the ages of 25 and 64 who died prematurely due to a lack of health insurance in 2010." A 2009 analysis by Harvard Medical School and Cambridge Medical Alliance was gloomier still, warning "uninsured, working-age Americans have 40 percent higher death risk than privately insured counterparts." All told, the Harvard study lamented, each year "nearly 45,000 annual deaths are associated with lack of health insurance." That kind of horrifying data, along with a dramatic shift of health costs to individuals and families as employers curtailed or dropped coverage, helped propel the passage of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act in 2010. (Nevertheless, that didn't stop Republicans from George W. Bush, Tom Delay, and Mitch McConnell to Mitt Romney and Phil Bryant to complain before and after Obamacare became law that "no one goes without health care" because "you just go to an emergency room.")
But with the Supreme Court ruling in the 2012 case of NFIB v. Sebelius, the issue of death by lack of insurance resurfaced. States, the Roberts Court declared, could refuse to expand Medicaid coverage as Obamacare originally required. Without the mandate to extend the joint federal/state insurance program to those earning up to 138 percent of the federal poverty level (FPL), 19 states decided to opt out. The predictable result, beginning in 2014, was a "coverage gap" which left millions of people uninsured. As the New York Times reminded readers again this week, those stuck in the gap in the non-expanding states earned too much to qualify for free Medicaid and too little to qualify for subsidies to purchase private insurance on the Obamacare exchanges. As Janet Foy, a Missouri resident caught in the GOP coverage gap put it this week:

"I'll take my chances with dying, if that's what it comes down to. We have no money."​

In 2014, another team of researchers from Harvard Medical School warned in Health Affairs that a lot of Americans—almost 7.8 million—would find themselves in Ms. Foy's situation. The authors of "Opting Out Of Medicaid Expansion: The Health And Financial Impacts" tallied up the coming body count in the Republican states that rejected the ACA's extension of Medicaid to millions of their residents:

Nationwide, 47,950,687 people were uninsured in 2012; the number of uninsured is expected to decrease by about 16 million after implementation of the ACA, leaving 32,202,633 uninsured. Nearly 8 million of these remaining uninsured would have gotten coverage had their state opted in. States opting in to Medicaid expansion will experience a decrease of 48.9 percent in their uninsured population versus an 18.1 percent decrease in opt-out states...We estimate the number of deaths attributable to the lack of Medicaid expansion in opt-out states at between 7,115 and 17,104. Medicaid expansion in opt-out states would have resulted in 712,037 fewer persons screening positive for depression and 240,700 fewer individuals suffering catastrophic medical expenditures. Medicaid expansion in these states would have resulted in 422,553 more diabetics receiving medication for their illness, 195,492 more mammograms among women age 50-64 years and 443,677 more pap smears among women age 21-64. Expansion would have resulted in an additional 658,888 women in need of mammograms gaining insurance, as well as 3.1 million women who should receive regular pap smears.
​

The Republicans' killer math netted out this way: of the 7,781,829 left uninsured, the authors estimated between 7,115 (0.091 percent) and 17,104 (0.220 percent)) would die for no reason other than political spite.




more .....





There have been some online reports that Republicans are expressing misgivings about ending ACA. Hopefully, they will see the errors of their ways and bring about further health care reform.

 

[Smoke]

Trump said today that he was going to give the middle class their voice back. I believe him until he proves to me otherwise.

You wouldn't be the first, the only, or the last to believe a politician/businessman at their word. Used car salesmen will love you.

Perhaps I'm cynical... I require evidence/proof before finally believing him. I'm not saying I fully don't trust Trump, but many of his nominations (Goldman Sachs/Wall Street swamp men) aren't doing anything to make me trust him more

 

[peacenik]

Compassion for the poor and adherence to the Truth are two hallmarks of biblical teaching. Some question whether Trump stands for either of these principles.


Bernstein says Trump's lies worse than Nixon's

Carl Bernstein, whose reporting broke open the Watergate scandal that led to former President Nixon's resignation, said Sunday that Nixon's lies were nothing compared to Donald Trump's.


"Trump lives and thrives in a fact-free environment. No president, including Richard Nixon, has been so ignorant of fact and disdains fact in the way this president-elect does," Bernstein said on CNN's "Reliable Sources."
Bernstein also slammed what he called a "growing sense of authoritarianism" from Trump and his campaign.

"Richard Nixon was nothing, in terms of lying, compared to what we have seen from Donald Trump," he said.


Bernstein says Trump's lies worse than Nixon's | TheHill




Interestingly, Politifact reached the same conclusion.





Another issue:




With Obamacare repealed, 1 in 4 adults could be uninsurable due to a pre-existing condition



At least one in four U.S. adults could be uninsurable due to a pre-existing condition in the wake of a repeal of the Affordable Care Act, according to an estimate by the nonprofit Kaiser Family Foundation released Monday. Those adults, or about 52 million people, have a current or past diagnosis that could allow health insurers to refuse them health coverage, the Kaiser analysis found.

Most adults get health insurance through their employer or public programs and are thus shielded from this aspect of the health insurance industry. But others, including self-employed people, lower-wage workers, early retirees and those in need of coverage in-between life changes, seek coverage on the individual insurance market.

The “vast majority” of that 52 million population is covered through their employer or public programs, according to the Kaiser report. But if any of those people lost insurance because of unemployment, divorce, turning 26 or another reason, their pre-existing condition would become an even bigger problem.

The scope of what has been considered a pre-existing condition can be shocking. Before the ACA, excludable pre-existing conditions included people who had diabetes, obesity or mental disorders (including being bipolar or having an eating disorder) or had been treated for alcohol or drug abuse, the Kaiser report shows.

Read more: With Obamacare repealed, 1 in 4 adults could be uninsurable due to a pre-existing condition

 

[Utah]

Hey Sirk and Max, did you see that President Trump attended the Army/Navy game?

 

[Sirk]

Hey Sirk and Max, did you see that President Trump attended the Army/Navy game?

Ya! And he got a standing O. Finally we got a man in the presidency. I think obama kinda personified the wussified emasculated American metrosexual male. The guy couldn't even ride a bike without looking feminine.

 

[renewed_hope]

Ya! And he got a standing O. Finally we got a man in the presidency. I think obama kinda personified the wussified emasculated American metrosexual male. The guy couldn't even ride a bike without looking feminine.

Idk about you, but I absolutely don't want to see him on a bike haha!