Tongues???

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jb said:
Don't throw the baby out with the bath water, have a look Here
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2. THE SCRIPTURES SHOW THAT THE BAPTISM IN THE SPIRIT TAKES PLACE AFTER THE NEW BIRTH.
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It’s the work of the Holy Spirit that we can hear God. Putting the horse before the carriage is not a biblical doctrine. Water baptism as that seen, the temporal, shows that a person has a desire to follow the commandment to go out into the world and make disciples for Christ.

This helps us understand the new order for a Kingdom of Priest after the order of Arron which today includes the Gentiles

Its why Jesus from the tribe of Judah was baptized before he baptized his disciples preparing them for the priest hood of believers to go out in the world with the gospel.

Baptism has it roots in the Old testament as a "cerimoinal law "

The Samaritans were baptized in the Spirit a considerable time after their conversion.
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They received the baptism of John a Levite (h20 as that seen) after being born again from above (not seen).

In order to rightfully divide we must follow the precepts like below.

Believing is seeing. We walk by the faith of Christ the Holy Spirit of God. .

2Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which "are seen", but at the "things which are "not seen": for the things which are seen are temporal; but the "things which are not seen" are eternal.
 
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What is meant by tongues here?

Acts 2-- the tongues are earthly languages. People speaking the Word of God to others around them who were from different areas with different earthly languages. So God supernaturally empowered believers for others to hear the Word of God in their language.

I am not 100 percent on this part.. but it looks to me that the people who were being empowered by God were speaking the other person's language.. rather than them speaking their own language then God translating it for the hearers.

Either way... it's not 'ecstatic utterances' but real languages. Eg.. Cretians hearing in their own language.

Then with Paul speaking about tongues privately.. this doesn't look like a right practice.. as their is no translator to edify those around the person.
 
wattie said:
What is meant by tongues here?

Acts 2-- the tongues are earthly languages. People speaking the Word of God to others around them who were from different areas with different earthly languages. So God supernaturally empowered believers for others to hear the Word of God in their language.

I am not 100 percent on this part.. but it looks to me that the people who were being empowered by God were speaking the other person's language.. rather than them speaking their own language then God translating it for the hearers.

Either way... it's not 'ecstatic utterances' but real languages. Eg.. Cretians hearing in their own language.

Then with Paul speaking about tongues privately.. this doesn't look like a right practice.. as their is no translator to edify those around the person.
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You are correct, Wattie.
These were the various languages of the visitors to Jerusalem who had come from all over the known world.
Each understood clearly what was being said because he heard in his native tongue/language that he used daily.
BUT, you are wasting your time with these folks who believe that their indistinguishable sounds are some kind of holy words only God can understand, and by such foolishness they are in some way more Spiritual than we are.
 
garee said:
It’s the work of the Holy Spirit that we can hear God. Putting the horse before the carriage is not a biblical doctrine. Water baptism as that seen, the temporal, shows that a person has a desire to follow the commandment to go out into the world and make disciples for Christ.

This helps us understand the new order for a Kingdom of Priest after the order of Arron which today includes the Gentiles

Its why Jesus from the tribe of Judah was baptized before he baptized his disciples preparing them for the priest hood of believers to go out in the world with the gospel.

Baptism has it roots in the Old testament as a "cerimoinal law "



They received the baptism of John a Levite (h20 as that seen) after being born again from above (not seen).

In order to rightfully divide we must follow the precepts like below.

Believing is seeing. We walk by the faith of Christ the Holy Spirit of God. .

2Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which "are seen", but at the "things which are "not seen": for the things which are seen are temporal; but the "things which are not seen" are eternal.
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Stop whaffling and make the point that you are trying to make clearly!
 
Groanings that cannot be uttered cannot be uttered.

Tongues can be uttered since they are spoken as the Spirit gives utterance.

Tongues are not groanings that cannot be uttered.
 
You can't put a time on that, some people don't maybe have 30 min all at one time but pray throughout the day.
 
I am not 100 percent on this part.. but it looks to me that the people who were being empowered by God were speaking the other person's language.. rather than them speaking their own language then God translating it for the hearers.
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I would think a person would have to first identify where tongues come from, of the things of men or of God as prophecy ?

Especially today because God is no longer bring any new revelations in any manner which world include a tongue. God interpreted the language back and forth.it how two people with different langues can commune back and forth. It is a twofold gift not seen.

Then with Paul speaking about tongues privately.. this doesn't look like a right practice.. as their is no translator to edify those around the person.
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No such thing a speaking privately as there is no translator to edify those around the person.A person simply edifies their own self in false pride as some way of proving they have the Holy Spirit. No such thing as sign gifts. Sign are for those who rebel, prophecy for those who do have the faith of Christ, as it is written.
 
Eph_6:18　 Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;

Impossible to do without ones prayer language.
 
stonesoffire said:
Eph_6:18　 Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;

Impossible to do without ones prayer language.
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Why do you feel so distant from God that you need a prayer language?

Heb 4:16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

We come in the righteousness of Christ. We do not have anything in our hand whereby we might claim even the least of His mercies yet through Christ He bids us come that He might bless us.

Do you have a right relationship with Christ?

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
What makes you think I feel distant from the Lord because of His baptism? Its power and worship that my prayer language brings to me personally.
 
By the way, my relationship with the Lord is scriptural. Is yours? Don't answer me, just think about it.
 
stonesoffire said:
By the way, my relationship with the Lord is scriptural. Is yours? Don't answer me, just think about it.
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That's a pretty brazen comment to make to someone you OBVIOUSLY don't know.

Roger's been on here a long time, and is well known...you? Not so much..

Starting out by questioning someone's relationship with God is generally considered bad form.
 
stonesoffire said:
By the way, my relationship with the Lord is scriptural. Is yours? Don't answer me, just think about it.
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stonesoffire said:
What makes you think I feel distant from the Lord because of His baptism? Its power and worship that my prayer language brings to me personally.
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My suggestion here is that you do not feel comfortable speaking with God. You feel it necessary to have a special language to talk to God. You feel the need to hide behind all this religious jargon like His baptism.

I'm looking for some sense that you have a relationship and actually know God through His Son Jesus Christ.

God made Adam so He could love him. God sought Adam to talk with him in the garden.

Ge 3:9 And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?

Don't kid yourself. God has given to you the righteousness of His Son and placed your sin upon His Son. Don't create a false sense of piety for yourself. Give God the glory for what He has done.

2Co 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

His robes for mine. Oh how can it be? What a wonderful exchange.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
88 said:
Praying in tongues 30 minutes a day will solve some of your current problems
...Romans 8:26, 27.....Jude verse 20
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Of course it will.
From this deeper spiritual connection with God,
one will receive deeper understanding of all things spiritual,
including the solutions to one's problems.
 
ZacharyB said:
Of course it will.
From this deeper spiritual connection with God,
one will receive deeper understanding of all things spiritual,
including the solutions to one's problems.
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I don't think the Lord requires you to pray to him in tongues to solve your problems. Just ask him to solve your problems.
 
stonesoffire said:
Eph_6:18　 Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;

Impossible to do without ones prayer language.
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Every time I pray, I pray in the Spirit. And by the way, my prayer language is English with an Arky accent and God hears my every word, understands my every word, and always answers.
He understands ALL languages. A special, personal, "prayer" language is not needed. Never has been.
 
Persuaded said:
Every time I pray, I pray in the Spirit. And by the way, my prayer language is English with an Arky accent and God hears my every word, understands my every word, and always answers.
He understands ALL languages. A special, personal, "prayer" language is not needed. Never has been.
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I've news for you ... you're not "praying in the Spirit".
Don't get me wrong ... it's great that you're praying!

FYI ... basically all of the NT church members were baptized with the Holy Spirit
with the initial confirmation of speaking in tongues.
Today's western churches are a whole different animal altogether.
Except for the members inclination to sin!
 
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