Doubt in Bible :separation of man and woman

[resurrection33]

Mark 1o : 9 Therefore what God has joined together , let not man separate."


29 So Jesus answered and said , "Assuredly , I say to you , there is no one who has left house or brothers or sisters or father or mother or wife or children or lands , for My sake and the gospel's ,


im in a doubt..though I'm a teen, these verses confuse me...
because i thought man and woman may be separated... if either of the spouse donst want to be interested in the Bible, and the other does since the latter verse says so.
But here's my dilemma : the former verse says what God has joined together no man can separate!
i do hope that I'll be cleared off my confusion by the Grace of God

The two verses you have quoted address two completely different things.

The first is about marriage. When a man and woman become married, they are never again to have intimate relations with another person. The only exception is if one of them is guilty of unchastity (Matt 19:9).

The second verse explains to us that our loyalty must be first to Jesus Christ. We must obey him whether our family members like it or not. Christ’s way is the way that works out best for all of us, and we must never hesitate to do things his way.

 

[biblelearner123]

The two verses you have quoted address two completely different things.

The first is about marriage. When a man and woman become married, they are never again to have intimate relations with another person. The only exception is if one of them is guilty of unchastity (Matt 19:9).

The second verse explains to us that our loyalty must be first to Jesus Christ. We must obey him whether our family members like it or not. Christ’s way is the way that works out best for all of us, and we must never hesitate to do things his way.

Im sorry again for being persistant in my doubt :/
The second verse is related as I explained an example in the previous post.
When Mr X puts his loyalty to Jesus this would mean Mrs Y separated from him because of the change in denomination...sadly...

But all the same thank you for explaining the relationship of these verses!

 

[Jesusisking]

The bible is a wonderful tool to use, but it is not the definitive one. The Holy Spirit is the bringer of all wisdom and everything Jesus said about what he wants from His bride.

In #20 you said a little more. If two people want to live separately then that is their own decision. If they want to remarry then that is another question altogether, which has been covered more or less already. We have a hope and we have promises from God that "the eye has not seen neither the ear heard what the lord has in store for those who love Him", Paul says we can not "imagine or think" what lies beyond this life.

I don't know about you but my imagination can run riot, so what ever the Lord has in store for us is worth everything including denying ourselves from wedding nuptials if necessary. Paul talks about staying single and having a heart for God apart from a partner, because having a partner hinders us some what from giving ourselves totally to the Lord.

It is a hard thing, and I know it is. I could not live alone, but as I get older and may be a little more wiser, praise God, I begin to understand, with the help of the Holy Spirit, the wonders our God has for us. The main thing in all this is the relationship we have with Jesus. Scripture says "without a vision the people perish", Jesus is our vision and understanding where we are within what Jesus has for us is an important thing.

Not quite connected in the topic of what we have been discussing, psalm 73 talks about what David saw and how it effected him, his whole understanding was turned around when he said; v 17

till I entered the sanctuary of God; then I understood their final destiny.

It is understanding that although we have up to 70 years plus on earth we have thousands and thousands times thousands of years with Jesus in the Kingdom of God which makes this small time here on earth a pittance in comparison, and not worth the trouble of having our own fleshly desires satisfied, unless we do not believe.

 

[resurrection33]

Im sorry again for being persistant in my doubt :/
The second verse is related as I explained an example in the previous post.
When Mr X puts his loyalty to Jesus this would mean Mrs Y separated from him because of the change in denomination...sadly...

But all the same thank you for explaining the relationship of these verses!

Just because a man's loyalty is to Jesus Christ doesn't mean he's supposed to separate from his wife. It just means he will continue to obey Jesus whether his wife likes it or not.

 

[resurrection33]

Im sorry again for being persistant in my doubt :/
The second verse is related as I explained an example in the previous post.
When Mr X puts his loyalty to Jesus this would mean Mrs Y separated from him because of the change in denomination...sadly...

But all the same thank you for explaining the relationship of these verses!

Just because a man's loyalty is to Jesus Christ doesn't mean he's supposed to separate from his wife. It just means he will continue to obey Jesus whether his wife likes it or not.

And I don't think a person should separate from their spouse simply because one or the other wants to change churches.

 

[Adstar]

Correction - not "can remarry", but "can depart". Very different thing.

The verse says that a """brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases"" meaning that the bond of marriage is broken and they can go out and find another husband or wife.. If they where still bound by the marriage they had with the unbeliever they would indeed not be able to remarry.. But as the verse reveals they are no longer under bondage...

 

[trofimus]

The verse says that a """brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases"" meaning that the bond of marriage is broken and they can go out and find another husband or wife.. If they where still bound by the marriage they had with the unbeliever they would indeed not be able to remarry.. But as the verse reveals they are no longer under bondage...

Paul said that woman is bound to her husband until he is alive. When he dies, she is free to marry another man. When she will do it when her husband is still alive, it will be adultery.
This corresponds with what Jesus said about marriage.

It would be very strange if Paul would said something different in another epistle. So, according to me, "not under bondage" means something different - the bondage of stay, not the bondage of being faithful to one man. Thats why Paul noticed "free to depart", not "free to remarry".

 

[ZEEK]

Wouldn't it be better for the the couple to pray about their predicament? A married couple is a Church in itself, (Where two or three are gathered together), so if their relationship works, why confuse the issue by joining a Church which is a bad fit.

I think Jesus' words about divorce were in the context of the Jews using the divorce laws as a cover for 24hr sexual liaisons. A woman is actually supposed to be totally obedient to her husband

[FONT=&quot]22 Wives, be subject to your husbands as you are to the Lord. [/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot]23 For the husband is the head of the wife just as Christ is the head of the church, the body of which he is the Savior. [/FONT]

I wonder how Jesus would deal with us if we argued with him day and night?

Thank you all for your support through the Blessed Word! These opinions were really helpful in helping me to think deep!



But I think my question was not properly put. I will briefly explain my doubt in an anecdote.
Say there is a husband "X" and a wife "Y" Both of them were in a denomination where evangelisation was not justified fully . as I said in my second post, The means of evangelization was only through actions.
Now X and Y join another denomination where evangelization means - Explaining the Word properly to anyone (this is mainly through talking out what the Bible says)
Y finds it difficult to be in the new denomination while X finds it okay. Both of them have their differences in their opinions based on the method of evangelization.

the problem: Y wants to separate from X (but this doesn't mean divorce but just living separately and there is no remarriage taking place)

X is in dilemma.

Mark 10:9 says that what God has joined together let no man separate. So X should agree with Y and live together and X would have to leave the new denomination so that Y is alright.

Mark 10:29 explains how a person can separate from anyone including the spouse which God has joined together So X can allow Y to be separated.

No wonder the Word of God is described as the sharpest Double edged sword!
I'm really sorry, that I explained the question very late :/

 

[Adstar]

Paul said that woman is bound to her husband until he is alive. When he dies, she is free to marry another man. When she will do it when her husband is still alive, it will be adultery.
This corresponds with what Jesus said about marriage.

It would be very strange if Paul would said something different in another epistle. So, according to me, "not under bondage" means something different - the bondage of stay, not the bondage of being faithful to one man. Thats why Paul noticed "free to depart", not "free to remarry".

Well you are free to have your opinion.. I have stated my thoughts and referenced scripture that i believe supports the thoughts i have.. Let the Holy Spirit guide whom so ever He will..

 

[Sanfam]

You will notice in your scripture that it says leaves... Mother, father, children, wife etc... But it does not say "husband"! This is important, and not an oversite. Latter in 1 Cor. 7 it also talks about leaving a wife but gives us a clearer picture... "29 But this I say, brethren, the time is short, so that from now on even those who have wives should be as though they had none, 30 those who weep as though they did not weep, those who rejoice as though they did not rejoice, those who buy as though they did not possess, 31 and those who use this world as not misusing it. For the form of this world is passing away."

This verse is not telling you to divorce your wife but go into your ministry as the Day of the Lord is fastely approaching and the end of the Age (as well as the form of this world). The ministry was so important that it took a higher inportance than what we take it today.

But, unfortunately some wives were not believers (1 Cor 7:14-16) and they gave their husband a choice, "Choose me and our kids or choose your God but you can't have both!" We must always follow God as men an go and do what the Lord has called us to do as men. You women must obey your husband but never into sin or rebellion to God's Word. Your decision processes are harder, I think.