Scriptures against the false pre-tribulation rapture doctrine

[Quasar92]

What am I going to do with you??? Seriously. Zechariah was an OT prophet and wrote in OT terms so that those in his day could relate. I am going to highlight and underline a phrase below. Any REAL scholar would immediate see this phrase and allegorize the passage.

The pots in the Lord’s house shall be like the bowls before the altar. [SUP]21 [/SUP]Yes, every pot in Jerusalem and Judah shall be holiness to the Lord of hosts. Everyone who sacrifices shall come and take them and cook in them.

The "POTS" are LIKE the bowls before the alter, they are NOT the bowls before the altar because this tradition of sacrifice is no longer valid. But a 5-6th century BC Jew would not understand the new way to worship, not even possibly comprehending that the Law would be replaced by Grace, just as you aren't understanding the metaphors here.

Sacrifice = Worship

Which was your reply to my quote: >>>Which was your blind reply to my quote: >>>Then you can explain to me why God has proclaimed the builder of His fourth temple during the !,000 year reign of Chr9st, will be Jesus Himself, as recorded in Zech.6:12-13, described in Ez.40-47.. The dimensions of that temple do not correspond in any way to those of the first or second of Israel's temples! And yes, the Bible makes it clear, there will be a renewal of the animal sacrificing system, as you find there, as well as in Zech.14.<<<

Your reply is no response to my quote, PW. There are countless prophecies in the OT pertaining to events that happened during the NT times as well as those that are yet future, such as Zech.6:12-13; 12:10 and 14, as well as Ez.40-47, as well as more than 300 Jesus fulfilled in His first advent! Nothing you contributed in the above has anything at all to do with it!


Quasar92

 

[PlainWord]

It's time to get out of eschatology, PW, because it was not a gift given to you! All you are doing is making a charade of the Scriptures.

Pot calling the kettle black?

A common objection to the consistent literal interpretation of Bible prophecy is found in Ezekiel's Temple vision (Ezek. 40-48). Opponents argue that if this is a literal, future Temple, then it will require a return to the sacrificial system that Christ made obsolete since the prophet speaks of "atonement" (kiper) in Ezekiel 43:13, 27; 45:15, 17, 20. This is true! Critics believe this to be a blasphemous contradiction to the finished work of Christ as presented in Hebrews 10.

EXACTLY!!!

"Is it heretical to believe that a Temple and sacrifices will once again exist," ask John Schmitt and Carl Laney? "Ezekiel himself believed it was a reality and the future home of Messiah. Then, it becomes not heresy to believe that a Temple and sacrifices will exist; rather, it is almost a heresy to not believe this, especially because it is a part of God's infallible word. The burden on us is to determine how it fits-not its reality."[1] At least four other prophets join Ezekiel in affirming a sacrificial system in a millennial Temple (Isa. 56:7; 66:20-23; Jer. 33:18; Zech. 14:16-21; Mal. 3:3-4), which supports a literal and thus futurist understanding of Ezekiel.

There is another option. Understanding when to apply allegorical interpretations which would satisfy the true meaning of the passage and allow Christ's blood to be sufficient once and for all. This method is far more preferable than to literalize the return of animal sacrifices, post return of Christ. I cannot imagine a world where Christ is reigning on earth over the nations under a system of redemption whereby He invalidates His own blood sacrifice in favor of the inferior blood of animals.

The key to understanding Eze 40-48 is found here in Eze 43:

[SUP]10 [/SUP]“Son of man, describe the temple to the house of Israel, that they may be ashamed of their iniquities; and let them measure the pattern. [SUP]11 [/SUP]And if they are ashamed of all that they have done, make known to them the design of the temple and its arrangement, its exits and its entrances, its entire design and all its ordinances, all its forms and all its laws. Write it down in their sight, so that they may keep its whole design and all its ordinances, and perform them. [SUP]12 [/SUP]This is the law of the temple: The whole area surrounding the mountaintop is most holy. Behold, this is the law of the temple.

For those incapable of putting themselves in the context of scripture, you will miss out on the true interpretation. Ezekiel was writing in the 13th year of Babylonian captivity to the captives of Israel. Solomon's temple was destroyed along with the city. Everyone knew this. Therefore, would it make more sense for Ezekiel to jump ahead ignoring the 2nd temple to come to some of them and instead discuss a 3rd temple thousands of years into the future or would it make more sense to discuss the next temple to be built which his audience would either help build or their children would?

The above passage makes clear that only IF THEY WERE ASHAMED were they to see the pattern of the temple that could be theirs. Since they were not ashamed, they didn't get this design. Instead they got a much smaller temple.

Therefore Ezekiel's temple was only a vision of things which might have been and not of things to actual come. This understanding protects Christ's blood and the manner of salvation which Christ brought to the world.

The rest of your study fails because your entire premise fails. I'm sticking with the blood of Christ. You go ahead and start offering up animals if you want to. We'll see which sacrifice is more pleasing to God.

 

[PlainWord]

Which was your reply to my quote: >>>Which was your blind reply to my quote: >>>Then you can explain to me why God has proclaimed the builder of His fourth temple during the !,000 year reign of Chr9st, will be Jesus Himself, as recorded in Zech.6:12-13, described in Ez.40-47.. The dimensions of that temple do not correspond in any way to those of the first or second of Israel's temples! And yes, the Bible makes it clear, there will be a renewal of the animal sacrificing system, as you find there, as well as in Zech.14.<<<

Your reply is no response to my quote, PW. There are countless prophecies in the OT pertaining to events that happened during the NT times as well as those that are yet future, such as Zech.6:12-13; 12:10 and 14, as well as Ez.40-47, as well as more than 300 Jesus fulfilled in His first advent! Nothing you contributed in the above has anything at all to do with it!


Quasar92

You know so little about the deeper spiritual things in the Bible. I say this with love dear brother and not to hurt your feelings. Christ built the third temple and He did so in 3 days as acknowledged (but not understood) by the scribes of His day. The third temple is already built and we are in it. Because you can't physically see it, you don't understand it. Apparently you need to behold to believe, like Thomas.

Zech.6:12-13 is a prophesy of the Kingdom to be established by Christ through the Cross. It is (was to Zechariah) a kingdom that comes without observation. This kingdom comes to each believer when they accept Jesus. This is an invisible kingdom to which true believers belong. In this kingdom is a spiritual temple of which Christ is the Chief Cornerstone and each of us individual stones. You really need to understand this because not understanding it is skewing everything for you.

Eze 40-48 again was a design of what the 2nd temple would have been for those in Babylonian captivity if they repented and were ashamed. As I showed in my last post, the captives were only to be shown this design, IF THEY WERE ASHAMED. If they were not ashamed, they would not be given the temple shown in Ezekiel's vision. Guess what? The people were not ashamed and not shown the design. Ezekiel's temple was never built and never will be built.

Instead, Christ has built for us a much better temple, one that will never be destroyed. It so sad that you have missed it. I will pray for you Brother Quasar that the Lord will open your eyes to the spiritual side. Please get out of the world. We are not of this world. Start living in the spiritual.

Let's pray.

"Father in Heaven, I pray for Brother Quasar that you would open his eyes and allow him to see and experience the spiritual side of his faith. Show him dear Lord that the blood of your Son is sufficient for all eternity and for all who accept and repent. Allow Quasar to understand that we are one family and one Bride in Christ and that we worship in the spiritual temple not built by human hands. Soften his heart and open his eyes. I ask in Jesus precious name. Amen."

 

[popeye]

So when do we get to see all these anti pretrib rapture verses?

If it's not too much trouble could we also see just one pointing to a post trib rapture?

 

[Quasar92]

You know so little about the deeper spiritual things in the Bible. I say this with love dear brother and not to hurt your feelings. Christ built the third temple and He did so in 3 days as acknowledged (but not understood) by the scribes of His day. The third temple is already built and we are in it. Because you can't physically see it, you don't understand it. Apparently you need to behold to believe, like Thomas.

Zech.6:12-13 is a prophesy of the Kingdom to be established by Christ through the Cross. It is (was to Zechariah) a kingdom that comes without observation. This kingdom comes to each believer when they accept Jesus. This is an invisible kingdom to which true believers belong. In this kingdom is a spiritual temple of which Christ is the Chief Cornerstone and each of us individual stones. You really need to understand this because not understanding it is skewing everything for you.

Eze 40-48 again was a design of what the 2nd temple would have been for those in Babylonian captivity if they repented and were ashamed. As I showed in my last post, the captives were only to be shown this design, IF THEY WERE ASHAMED. If they were not ashamed, they would not be given the temple shown in Ezekiel's vision. Guess what? The people were not ashamed and not shown the design. Ezekiel's temple was never built and never will be built.

Instead, Christ has built for us a much better temple, one that will never be destroyed. It so sad that you have missed it. I will pray for you Brother Quasar that the Lord will open your eyes to the spiritual side. Please get out of the world. We are not of this world. Start living in the spiritual.

Let's pray.

"Father in Heaven, I pray for Brother PlainWord that you would open his eyes and allow him to see and experience the spiritual side of his faith. Show him dear Lord that the blood of your Son is sufficient for all eternity and for all who accept and repent. Allow Quasar to understand that we are one family and one Bride in Christ and that we worship in the spiritual temple not built by human hands. Soften his heart and open his eyes. I ask in Jesus precious name. Amen."

The Scriptural facts I posted in 396 and 400 refute your dogmatic, arrogant, self righteousness, and are fully endorsed by the following men of God from every walk of Christian teaching:

1. Frank L. Gaebelein, A.M., Litt.D., Headmaster Emiritus, The Stoney Brook School; 2. William Culbertson, D.D., L.L.D., President, Moody Bible Institute; 3. Charles L. Feinberg, ThD., PhD., Dean, Talbot Theological Seminary; 4. Allan A. Mac Rae, A.M., PhD., President, Biblical School of Theology; 5. Clarence E. Mason, Jr., Th.M., D.D., Dean, Philadelphia College of Bible; 6. Alva J. Mc Clain, Th.M., D.D., President Emeritus, Grace Theological Seminary; 7. Wilbur M. Smith, D.D., Editor, Peloubet's Select Notes; 8. John F. Walvoord, A.M., Th.D., President, Dallas Theological Seminary; 9. C.I. Scofield, D.D., Editor, Scofield Bible; 10. Editorial Committee Chairman, J. E. Schuyler English, Litt.D.

Chuck Missler, Koinonia House, Charles Stanley, Baptist minister, Zola Levitt, Levitt's Ministries, Miles Weiss, Zola Levitt's Ministries, Moishe Rosen, Jew's For Jesus Org., David Bickner, Jew's For Jesus Org., Mitch Glaser, His Chosen People Ministries Dwight Pentecost, Dean at Dallas Theological Seminary, Harold Wilmington, Dean at Liberty Seminary, Arno Froese, Editor and CEO of Midnight Call Ministries, Thomas Ice, PhD., Author, Jack Van Impe, TV Ministry, Tim Le Haye, Author, Jerry Falwell, Baptist minister, Billie Graham, TV ministry, Franklin Graham, TV ministry, Dr. Ron Carlson, Dr. Wilfred Hahn, Dave Hunt, Ed Decker and Dr. Norbert Lieth.


Quasar92

 

[PlainWord]

So when do we get to see all these anti pretrib rapture verses?

If it's not too much trouble could we also see just one pointing to a post trib rapture?

Ask and you shall receive:

[SUP]29 [/SUP]“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. [SUP]30 [/SUP]Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. [SUP]31 [/SUP]And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

 

[PlainWord]

The Scriptural facts I posted in 396 and 400 refute your dogmatic, arrogant, self righteousness, and are fully endorsed by the following men of God from every walk of Christian teaching:

1. Frank L. Gaebelein, A.M., Litt.D., Headmaster Emiritus, The Stoney Brook School; 2. William Culbertson, D.D., L.L.D., President, Moody Bible Institute; 3. Charles L. Feinberg, ThD., PhD., Dean, Talbot Theological Seminary; 4. Allan A. Mac Rae, A.M., PhD., President, Biblical School of Theology; 5. Clarence E. Mason, Jr., Th.M., D.D., Dean, Philadelphia College of Bible; 6. Alva J. Mc Clain, Th.M., D.D., President Emeritus, Grace Theological Seminary; 7. Wilbur M. Smith, D.D., Editor, Peloubet's Select Notes; 8. John F. Walvoord, A.M., Th.D., President, Dallas Theological Seminary; 9. C.I. Scofield, D.D., Editor, Scofield Bible; 10. Editorial Committee Chairman, J. E. Schuyler English, Litt.D.

Chuck Missler, Koinonia House, Charles Stanley, Baptist minister, Zola Levitt, Levitt's Ministries, Miles Weiss, Zola Levitt's Ministries, Moishe Rosen, Jew's For Jesus Org., David Bickner, Jew's For Jesus Org., Mitch Glaser, His Chosen People Ministries Dwight Pentecost, Dean at Dallas Theological Seminary, Harold Wilmington, Dean at Liberty Seminary, Arno Froese, Editor and CEO of Midnight Call Ministries, Thomas Ice, PhD., Author, Jack Van Impe, TV Ministry, Tim Le Haye, Author, Jerry Falwell, Baptist minister, Billie Graham, TV ministry, Franklin Graham, TV ministry, Dr. Ron Carlson, Dr. Wilfred Hahn, Dave Hunt, Ed Decker and Dr. Norbert Lieth.


Quasar92

Then all of you need help because you study with your head but do not learn with your heart.

 

[Quasar92]

Then all of you need help because you study with your head but do not learn with your heart.

I received Jesus as my Lord and savior around a campfire one evening with others. at a Bible Conference in August of 1937, at Lake Sammamish, WN, while I was in High School. Long before you were ever thought of, sonny! And when did you receive Jesus as your Lord and Savior? When I ask for trash, you'll come sliding in first! If you have nothing to contribute to the subject of the thread, then stay out of it!


Quasar2

 

[Quasar92]

Ask and you shall receive:

[SUP]29 [/SUP]“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. [SUP]30 [/SUP]Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. [SUP]31 [/SUP]And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Your above response is neither pre-trib or post trib Scripture popeye asked for! But rather the end of Jesus Olivet discourse when He was referring to the end of the age and of His second coming. During Jesus first advent ministry, it waws EXCLUSIVELY to Israel, as He made crystal clear in Mt.14:24 and 10:5-6. The Church DID NOT exist then, because the Holy Spirit had not arrived yet, according to Jn.7:39, until at Pentecost, ten days after He had ascended into heaven, as recorded in Acts 1:9 and 2:1-3!


Quasar92

 

[garee]

Christ divorced Israel that he used for types and shadows up until the refomation in respect to natural man without the Spirit of Christ. The Spirit of Christ, the Holy Spirit of God alone is the key for the Jew as well as the Gentile.

God is no respecter of persons never was never will be.

Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

The new promised name he named His bride is Christian.And just like that of Israel if they have not been born again of the "Spirit of Christ" the exclusive qualifier they do not belong to Him . A man is a Christian inwardly and not one outwardly The same with a Jew. .Flesh and blood could never enter the kingdom of God, the new heavenly Jerusalem His eternal bride.


For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.Romans 2:29


Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.



Today because of the first century reformation, calling a Christian a Jew is no different than calling a Jew a Christian. Its inwardly that does count .As Christ said of His own flesh it profits for nothing, zero, nada. God put no difference between a Jew and gentile purifying the hearts of all men through a work of His faith. His faith is not without works.

In the verse below Christ is referring to a inward Jew. Those who were outward Jews were claiming they had a relationship with Christ based on there experiences and not walking by faith.

Rev 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

 

[PlainWord]

For those who think the Blood of Christ is not sufficient for redemption post Second Coming and that animal sacrifices are coming back based on a mystical temple that Ezekiel saw in a vision, this is for you.

Eze 37 states this:

[SUP]21 [/SUP]“Then say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “Surely I will take the children of Israel from among the nations, wherever they have gone, and will gather them from every side and bring them into their own land; [SUP]22 [/SUP]and I will make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king over them all; they shall no longer be two nations, nor shall they ever be divided into two kingdoms again.

See that? No more 12 Tribes. No more 2 nations. Instead, they are to be one nation forevermore!! Did Ezekiel just tell a big fat whopper? Because look what he says in the temple passage.

[SUP]13 [/SUP]Thus says the Lord God: “These are the borders by which you shall divide the land as an inheritance among the twelve tribes of Israel. Joseph shall have two portions.

Oops, Quasar has a big problem. How did they become 12 tribes again?

Well obviously they don't. Ezekiel 40-47 was a vision of how God would have restored and blessed them had they repented and showed shame. But they never did so they never got this amazing Temple nor did they ever get the greater share of Land.

 

[PlainWord]

I received Jesus as my Lord and savior around a campfire one evening with others. at a Bible Conference in August of 1937, at Lake Sammamish, WN, while I was in High School. Long before you were ever thought of, sonny! And when did you receive Jesus as your Lord and Savior? When I ask for trash, you'll come sliding in first! If you have nothing to contribute to the subject of the thread, then stay out of it!


Quasar2

I am happy you found salvation by dear brother. But, sad you never saw the many spiritual secrets contained in the Bible. You never learned that the power of Christ's blood is eternal. You never saw that He already built the promised Spiritual Temple, the one that comes without observation. You never learned that we are not "of this world" and belong to the new Jerusalem. You never learned about the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, that His spirit dwells within each of us wherever we go at the same time for all Believers. The concept of becoming saved (1st resurrection) is lost on you. The idea of putting to death the old man and becoming a new man is a foreign concept to you. Even though you accepted Christ many years ago, you never grew spiritually very much. You see only the physical and literal things, the spiritual truths you never learned or have rejected.

My dad was a pastor. I came to Christ much younger than you around 6-7. I was baptized at 13. But as a young man in the Merchant Marines, I wandered. Later I married the wrong woman, gave into alcohol, money, riches and other bad things. I did not live a good life for many years until about 5 years ago. But, I never lost my faith and never lost my passion for eschatology. But none of this matters.

Time served as a believer is unimportant. God judges the heart, not the head. Things taught by man do not trump things taught by God. I don't care how many Bible professors think Christ's blood expires so that we need to bring back animal sacrifices as their blood will be somehow superior. This idea offends me and should offend any true Christian.

As for me not contributing??? What a joke. Every day I show you new and powerful things you have never been shown before. But sadly, you don't have eyes to see.

 

[PlainWord]

Your above response is neither pre-trib or post trib Scripture popeye asked for! But rather the end of Jesus Olivet discourse when He was referring to the end of the age and of His second coming. During Jesus first advent ministry, it waws EXCLUSIVELY to Israel, as He made crystal clear in Mt.14:24 and 10:5-6. The Church DID NOT exist then, because the Holy Spirit had not arrived yet, according to Jn.7:39, until at Pentecost, ten days after He had ascended into heaven, as recorded in Acts 1:9 and 2:1-3!


Quasar92

My response is post Trib. Hello, "immediately after the Tribulation of those days..." Jesus was discussing the "great tribulation" of Israel that He mentioned earlier in Mat 24:21. "Those in Judea are to flee." He gathers them back when He returns.

That's right, there was no church back then. There were no rocket ships and color TV either. What's your point? Christ only ever spoke of one return of His and that He would send the Helper after He left. Christ never mentions an earlier rapture return for the Church.

You want to exclude the Jews from the Church and thus from your imaginary pre-trib Rapture. Well, the Jews started the churches. The disciples were Jewish, every last one of them!! First you say that Christ didn't speak of the pre-trib rapture to the disciples in Mat 24 because the church didn't arrive but then you say He speaks of it in John 14:1-3. Well, the church hadn't arrive then either. In fact, both lessons, Mat 24 and John 14 happened about the same time, just days or hours before the Crucifixion.

So how can you say on the one hand that Mat 24 cannot contain the pre-trib rapture because the church hadn't arrived then on the other hand argue that John 14 contains the pre-trib rapture even though the church hadn't arrived. You can't have it both ways.

 

[Quasar92]

I am happy you found salvation by dear brother. But, sad you never saw the many spiritual secrets contained in the Bible. You never learned that the power of Christ's blood is eternal. You never saw that He already built the promised Spiritual Temple, the one that comes without observation. You never learned that we are not "of this world" and belong to the new Jerusalem. You never learned about the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, that His spirit dwells within each of us wherever we go at the same time for all Believers. The concept of becoming saved (1st resurrection) is lost on you. The idea of putting to death the old man and becoming a new man is a foreign concept to you. Even though you accepted Christ many years ago, you never grew spiritually very much. You see only the physical and literal things, the spiritual truths you never learned or have rejected.

My dad was a pastor. I came to Christ much younger than you around 6-7. I was baptized at 13. But as a young man in the Merchant Marines, I wandered. Later I married the wrong woman, gave into alcohol, money, riches and other bad things. I did not live a good life for many years until about 5 years ago. But, I never lost my faith and never lost my passion for eschatology. But none of this matters.

Time served as a believer is unimportant. God judges the heart, not the head. Things taught by man do not trump things taught by God. I don't care how many Bible professors think Christ's blood expires so that we need to bring back animal sacrifices as their blood will be somehow superior. This idea offends me and should offend any true Christian.

As for me not contributing??? What a joke. Every day I show you new and powerful things you have never been shown before. But sadly, you don't have eyes to see.

I thank the Lord for saving you, PW. That you claim to have done so before me, at 6 or seven was long before your age of accountability, to make such decisions of your own personal volition. I was taken to Sunday School during that age also, but that is entirely different than standing on your own two feet and making that very important decision on your own!

Your self righteous attitude in offering your opinions as to what I have learned or have not learned is worthless trash, as you don't have a clue as to what I believe or the gifts I have been given by the Holy Spirit. So save your hot air for those who may be willing to listen to your rhetoric!

In addition, I served with the USAAF in the Pacific/Asiatic theater during WWII, from late '42 until early '45, when the Air Corp finally rotated me back to the states. Honorably discharged at March USAAF Base, in Riverside, CA, on Dec.7, 1945.


Quasar92

 

[popeye]

So when do we get to see all these anti pretrib rapture verses?

If it's not too much trouble could we also see just one pointing to a post trib rapture?

Still waiting.

There must be something there?

Or is there nothing?

 

[PlainWord]

I thank the Lord for saving you, PW. That you claim to have done so before me, at 6 or seven was long before your age of accountability, to make such decisions of your own personal volition. I was taken to Sunday School during that age also, but that is entirely different than standing on your own two feet and making that very important decision on your own!

Your self righteous attitude in offering your opinions as to what I have learned or have not learned is worthless trash, as you don't have a clue as to what I believe or the gifts I have been given by the Holy Spirit. So save your hot air for those who may be willing to listen to your rhetoric!

In addition, I served with the USAAF in the Pacific/Asiatic theater during WWII, from late '42 until early '45, when the Air Corp finally rotated me back to the states. Honorably discharged at March USAAF Base, in Riverside, CA, on Dec.7, 1945.


Quasar92

Thank you for your service. Yours was truly the Great Generation.

As for age of accountability, was it not said by Jesus Himself:

Assuredly, I say to you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God as a little child will by no means enter it.”

How old is a little child? The Jews believe a man becomes a man at 13, which was when I was baptized, so clearly a "little child" is younger than 13.

Your self righteous attitude in offering your opinions as to what I have learned or have not learned is worthless trash, as you don't have a clue as to what I believe or the gifts I have been given by the Holy Spirit. So save your hot air for those who may be willing to listen to your rhetoric!

I don't judge you or your heart. But I do judge your opinions. Going back to the blood of bulls and rams and finding that preferable to the blood of Christ is an absolute abomination to not only me, but I bet most Christians. Many in your camp are actually hoping, and donating to, the 3rd Temple. Why? Why would we want the Jews to start up OT worship? Don't we want them to realize their mistake and come to accept their Messiah?

The truth is, they eventual do.

“And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication; then they will look on Me whom they pierced. Yes, they will mourn for Him as one mourns for his only son, and grieve for Him as one grieves for a firstborn.

So they do recognize Jesus when He returns and you still think Christ is going to build them a temple and allow them to start offering Him animals. Crazy!! Popeye, you buying into this nonsense too?

 

[PlainWord]

Still waiting.

There must be something there?

Or is there nothing?

Already showed you many passages. You haven't showed me one single passage that tells us Christ returns BEFORE Israel is attacked (AKA the Great Tribulation).

 

[PlainWord]

Quasar,

Thanks for sharing your WWII story. I wish I was born in your generation. WWII is a passion of mine also, seen every movie, read every book. When I worked for the US Congress back in the mid 90s, I helped a WWII flyer and his squadron from the Pacific theater to get their air medals for flying 20 combat missions. There was some mix up and they didn't get credit for one mission. This poor chap fought for 50 years to get the recognition he and his buddies deserved to no avail.

Anyway, my Congressman came into office in 1995 and was a reserve Lt. Col in the Marines. I told him the story and he told me to push hard, which I did. After 6 months of fighting with the Navy they finally agreed. He, and his surviving crew received their air medals 50 years later at Brunswick Naval Air Station. Their air medals were pinned on by the Secretary of the Navy. Many top brass, 3 and 4 star Admirals, both Senators, the governor etc all came. So, I do love you guys who fought in WWII just as I do all our vets.

 

[Quasar92]

Still waiting.

There must be something there?

Or is there nothing?

Who are you addressing? Pre-trib passages of Scripture have been posted previously on this thread.


Quasar92

 

[Quasar92]

Quasar,

Thanks for sharing your WWII story. I wish I was born in your generation. WWII is a passion of mine also, seen every movie, read every book. When I worked for the US Congress back in the mid 90s, I helped a WWII flyer and his squadron from the Pacific theater to get their air medals for flying 20 combat missions. There was some mix up and they didn't get credit for one mission. This poor chap fought for 50 years to get the recognition he and his buddies deserved to no avail.

Anyway, my Congressman came into office in 1995 and was a reserve Lt. Col in the Marines. I told him the story and he told me to push hard, which I did. After 6 months of fighting with the Navy they finally agreed. He, and his surviving crew received their air medals 50 years later at Brunswick Naval Air Station. Their air medals were pinned on by the Secretary of the Navy. Many top brass, 3 and 4 star Admirals, both Senators, the governor etc all came. So, I do love you guys who fought in WWII just as I do all our vets.

Good for you,PW. I'm glad to hear you were of assistance for those deserving vets after they had to wait 50 years for their awards.


Quasar92